U.S. Ladies [#25]: Method in the Madness

[B.Cooper]

Referencing the URs called on skaters at Europeans and US Nationals.....

Would the ISU consider a test competition where cameras are placed in the boards? Imagine the instant replay feature...saw this on CBS Sunday Morning this past weekend, with coverage on the SuperBowl:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lets-go-to-the-instant-replay-a-quick-look-behind-the-scenes/

Imagine the possibilities.....replays on the JumboTrons, the opportunity to have athlete/coach request a replay on an element? The producer for the TV coverage would help change the sport, moving away from the political side and move towards reviews of what actually happens on the ice, in the moment? Food for thought

 

[gkelly]

Would the ISU consider a test competition where cameras are placed in the boards?

In the boards? Sounds like a terrible idea.

1) Would be extremely expensive because it would require lots and lots and lots of cameras to cover all possible locations on the ice surface, and also if adopted would require rebuilding every single rink that holds a (world-level only?) figure skating competition once in a while.

2) The cameras would either each be stationary or would need to be remote controlled by an operator. The possible angles covered would be lower than even one camera that can be aimed and zoomed in by a human operator could achieve. And, as mentioned in the article you link, it would take much much longer after the program to decide which feed(s) to view for each element.

For an actually feasible test, how about if they just try using a second and maybe third camera at a completely different location from the one near the tech panel and hook that up to the same data replay monitor?

 

[B.Cooper]

In the boards? Sounds like a terrible idea.

1) Would be extremely expensive because it would require lots and lots and lots of cameras to cover all possible locations on the ice surface, and also if adopted would require rebuilding every single rink that holds a (world-level only?) figure skating competition once in a while.

2) The cameras would either each be stationary or would need to be remote controlled by an operator. The possible angles covered would be lower than even one camera that can be aimed and zoomed in by a human operator could achieve. And, as mentioned in the article you link, it would take much much longer after the program to decide which feed(s) to view for each element.

For an actually feasible test, how about if they just try using a second and maybe third camera at a completely different location from the one near the tech panel and hook that up to the same data replay monitor?

That is still the point...more cameras
The NFL has the cameras in the markers along the field...all easily transportable.
A friend of ours is a videographer for the NFL and he said the set up on these cameras is quick....

Watch the film clip....the technology to sync the cameras is a common technology....oh yeah, but the ISU is still in the dark ages, LOL

 

[Vagabond]

I will take a thirteen-year-old sobbing with joy over a fourteen-year-old screaming with delight any day. Sue me.

 

[Wyliefan]

I will take a thirteen-year-old sobbing with joy over a fourteen-year-old screaming with delight any day. Sue me.

I like both, to be honest. Joy is joy, however it expresses itself, and there's something amazing about seeing that pure joy hit someone.

 

[natsulian]

Practice notes from Jackie.

Cui: 2A, 3S, 3S, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3Lz, 3Lz, 3F, 3F, 3Lz, runthru (2A, 3Lz3T, 3F), 2A, 2A, 3Lz2T, 3Lz3T, 3Lz3T2T(<<), 3Lz(step), 3Lz3T3T, 1F(2ft), 3F, 3F3T, 3Lz3T, 3F1Eu3S, 3F1Eu3S, 3F1Eu(ur?)3S, 3F1Eu3S, 2A2T

Bell: 2A, 3F, 3Lz, 3Lz3T(ur?), runthru (2A, 3Lz3T(ur,step), 3F), 3F, 3Lz, 3Lz(step), 3Lz3T, 3F, 1F, 3Lz, 3F

Persistent troubles on the 3Lz3T for Mariah, hopefully she can pull together two clean performances. Ting... rarely has practices this good and I don't want to jinx anything, but hopefully she's found her mojo after that spectacular long program at Nationals. Ting herself said that she's put the disastrous short program behind her and that she's looking forward to showcasing her newfound confidence.

 

[aftershocks]

Paging @Tony Wheeler - You obviously haven't read the Russian thread - on second thought probably best to avoid that - needless to say Zagitova's under-rotated jumps and the lack of calls at some competitions have been discussed all season.

I wouldn't use those three words to describe Alysa. TBH, I don't find her or her skating very interesting.

I don't think she is *especially* cute, nor articulate (wailing in the K&C is certainly not a sign of an articulate, composed person). She is certainly talented as a figure skater, but I don't know how much having the 3A at age 13 means in terms of her being more talented than peers who do not have the 3A.

As I said above, she's a junior girl.

Guess I'm not yet won over as a fan.

Well, I think she is cute, and she expresses herself well in a 13-year-old young athlete fashion, which is fine. Lots of skaters can break down with relief after a highly pressurized performance when they skate well, especially young teenagers. We've seen it happen before.

Also, Liu is definitely talented. I don't like the way many people in the sport in the U.S. and in the media are obsessing over her 3-axel abilities. But that doesn't cause me to dislike her as an up-and-coming young athlete. I'm just underwhelmed by all the brouhaha, and I feel she still has a lot of work ahead of her to be able to develop to her fullest potential. I'm not sure why she particularly needs an agent at this point. But I guess that's seen as an important thing to acquire in this day and age when you achieve a bit of fame. Liu is a junior skater so I think it's somewhat putting the cart before the house horse, but oh well.

I like both, to be honest. Joy is joy, however it expresses itself, and there's something amazing about seeing that pure joy hit someone.

Right. As long as the delighted screaming doesn't break eardrums.

 

[Tinami Amori]

I will take a thirteen-year-old sobbing with joy over a fourteen-year-old screaming with delight any day. Sue me.

I will take anyone who sobs or screams... as long as it's not "bull shit" after the scores come up...

 

[VGThuy]

I will take anyone who sobs or screams... as long as it's not "bull shit" after the scores come up...

Do you have any examples?

 

[Tinami Amori]

Do you have any examples?

I do... but we're now talking about US ladies winners... no need to spoil it.

 

[Bulletsdad]

Well, I think she is cute, and she expresses herself well in a 13-year-old young athlete fashion, which is fine. Lots of skaters can break down with relief after a highly pressurized performance when they skate well, especially young teenagers. We've seen it happen before.

Also, Liu is definitely talented. I don't like the way many people in the sport in the U.S. and in the media are obsessing over her 3-axel abilities. But that doesn't cause me to dislike her as an up-and-coming young athlete. I'm just underwhelmed by all the brouhaha, and I feel she still has a lot of work ahead of her to be able to develop to her fullest potential. I'm not sure why she particularly needs an agent at this point. But I guess that's seen as an important thing to acquire in this day and age when you achieve a bit of fame. Liu is a junior skater so I think it's somewhat putting the cart before the house horse, but oh well.



Right. As long as the delighted screaming doesn't break eardrums.

Well, Nike has already approached her dad for sponsorship opportunities, so apparently she does need an agent.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sou...aw1gOTSfc48um1IC9tRjQpFa&ust=1549489383877190

Skating is expensive. As fans, we should be thrilled for sponsorships going to Liu and any other competitors.

 

[Debbie S]

Ting Cui and Hanna Harrell to JW: https://usfigureskatingfanzone.com/...ens-selections-for-isu-world-junior-team.aspx

 

[natsulian]

The Junior World Team for Ladies:
- Ting Cui
- Hanna Harrell

Alternates:
- Starr Andrews (Alt. 1)
- Gabriella Izzo (Alt. 2)
- Audrey Shin (Alt. 3)

 

[SkateSand]

When I was taking the shuttle from the airport to my hotel in Anaheim for 4CCs, the shuttle driver asked where we were from and what brought us here. Everyone else was going to Disneyland, but I piped up that I was here for a figure skating competition at the Honda Center. The guy from who I dubbed as the honeymoon couple asked if "that young girl who just won" was going to be there. I'm guessing he saw her on Fallon's show or one of the others she appeared on because I doubt he watched U.S. Nationals on TV. But I think that's how you interest the general public - get skating in the public eye.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Well, Nike has already approached her dad for sponsorship opportunities, so apparently she does need an agent.

Good for Liu! ... i am not sure she needs an "agent" to handle 1 contract (with Nike). Her father is a lawyer. Although an immigration lawyer, he did graduate from UC Hastings, and "tort & contract laws" are mandatory courses there, with research work requirements. He can handle it, and not pay agent fees.

 

[MrMystery]

Liu already has an agent, and had one prior to Nationals.

 

[NAOTMAA]

The Junior World Team for Ladies:
- Ting Cui
- Hanna Harrell

Alternates:
- Starr Andrews (Alt. 1)
- Gabriella Izzo (Alt. 2)
- Audrey Shin (Alt. 3)

If Starr Andrews never makes it big one can never ever say she was never given a chance

 

[Japanfan]

Yes, Liu is definitely cute and very talented.

My US universe friend watched and he said she such a Whiney baby- look at her crying like that. . she’s young. Cute. Yes. She is cute.

I agree insofar as most 13 year olds are cute.

I think it's always a good idea not to nurture only one egg in one basket, or put all one's eggs in one basket.

This.

 

[kwanatic]

Cui: 2A, 3S, 3S, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3Lz, 3Lz, 3F, 3F, 3Lz, runthru (2A, 3Lz3T, 3F), 2A, 2A, 3Lz2T, 3Lz3T, 3Lz3T2T(<<), 3Lz(step), 3Lz3T3T, 1F(2ft), 3F, 3F3T, 3Lz3T, 3F1Eu3S, 3F1Eu3S, 3F1Eu(ur?)3S, 3F1Eu3S, 2A2T

Wow. Ting is looking pretty strong. A good showing here will definitely set her up nicely heading into next season. She could be the dark horse of this competition. Her jumps really are impressive when she's clean. The airy quality and ease reminds me of Kaori Sakamoto or Polina Tsurskaya. She's a brilliant jumper and if she can put that on display the judges will reward her well. I could see her in the top 5 if she's clean or possibly on the podium.

 

[Coco]

I refuse to get excited by Ting Cui practice reports.

 

[natsulian]

After the Short at the Bavarian Open for Advanced Novice Ladies, Lindsay and Aubrey both placed 1st.

Aubrey earned positive GOE’s on all her elements and a total score of 44.94. Jumps included a 3Lz, 3T-2T, and a 2A.

Lindsay earned a 42.90 and received a “not clear edge” call on her 3F. Jumps included a 3Lz-2T, 3F, and a 2A.

Are 3-3 allowed in Advanced Novice? Lindsay competed with a 3Lz-3T and Aubrey with a 3T-3T, so I was wondering why they only opted for a 3-2.

 

[kwanatic]

I refuse to get excited by Ting Cui practice reports.

Agreed. I've had my heart broken too many times to proclaim she's going to nail it. However, I will ponder what she might score and where she'll land in a clean skate scenario. My guess is it'd be pretty good. I'll cross my fingers, prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

 

[Jammers]

I refuse to get excited by Ting Cui practice reports.

Same here. We always heard how Gracie was killing it in practice but it rarely translated to the actual event.

 

[jlai]

Hearsay practice rarely indicates anything. For instance, if the skater is having a bad long program practice, the skater may be just fine in the short program. Also, if the skater is having a rough practice on jumps he/she is experimenting with, the skater may end up skating a good program just by leaving out the troublesome jumps. OTOH, a skater who practices mostly their favorite elements may have a hard time in competition with the less reliable elements.

 

[DreamSkates]

... Post-Kwan, there have unfortunately existed a slew of over-expectations and fruitless anticipations for someone else to take up MK's dominant mantle. It hasn't happened yet, neither in the U.S., nor internationally.

This. Let's start naming them. On second thought, nah.

 

[gkelly]

Are 3-3 allowed in Advanced Novice?

In the free skate, yes.

The advanced novice SP jump combination requirement is "One jump combination consisting of two double jumps or one double and one triple jump."

 

[Frida80]

Ting still a developing skater So for me, I don't think in terms of if she'll win or place but how she's grows from each competition. I think after nationals she's very angry that she let the pressure get to her during the SP and wants to show the world that she can nail it. However with the FS, she'll feel a lot more pressure than at nationals and have some mistakes on a few jumps. However that will prepare her well for JW, where she'll be determines to nail her SP and FS like she knows she can.

 

[WillyElliot]

Good for Liu! ... i am not sure she needs an "agent" to handle 1 contract (with Nike). Her father is a lawyer. Although an immigration lawyer, he did graduate from UC Hastings, and "tort & contract laws" are mandatory courses there, with research work requirements. He can handle it, and not pay agent fees.

But wasn't that the problem with 2002 gold medalist Sarah Hughes? Her father, an atty, acted as her agent, and well, she didn't exactly 'cash in'. Sometimes a real agent gets things done, and not a busybody egotistical father.

 

[Yazmeen]

But wasn't that the problem with 2002 gold medalist Sarah Hughes? Her father, an atty, acted as her agent, and well, she didn't exactly 'cash in'. Sometimes a real agent gets things done, and not a busybody egotistical father.

Her parents really pushed the “Sarah will stay in school” route instead of cashing in, and I believe they and Robin Wagner pressured her to stay in for the next season. My impression was that everyone around her was telling Sarah what was best for her without asking for her input, including her father pulling out of her contract with COI. While she did OK at 2003 Nationals, she showed up at Worlds with obvious weight gain and frankly made a fool out of herself. And she never recovered her footing as a skater, becoming a headliner at SOI a few years later completely out of shape and unable to do even doubles. I remember friends who saw her at one of the Atlantic City Caesar’s skating events around 2010 commenting that people were shocked that she didn’t even try a single jump (meaning not even doing a single, much less a triple, while Debi Thomas came back for the first time in more than 15 years and was nailing doubles). Her parents completely stomped on her brief window to cash in on her OGM, and even her relationship with her coach was destroyed in the fallout.

 

[Tinami Amori]

If Starr Andrews never makes it big one can never ever say she was never given a chance

2 clean skates at Nationals always gives a skater a much better chance...