U.S. Ladies [#25]: Method in the Madness

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It seems to me like Ting has been practicing pretty much like she competes. Sounds like she had a great practice yesterday. Today she struggled. (Per Jackie, 2 falls and a pop in the run through, which sounds like what I saw). Win some, lose some. That's been pretty much the norm for her this season. 4CCs can be a good learning experience for her.
 
Bavarian Open Results

Advanced Novice Ladies:
- Lindsay Thorngren came in 2nd place after a downgrade on her 3Lz-3T, edge call on her 3F, and under-rotation on her 3Lo. Lindsay’s young and very determined, so hopefully she cleans up her under-rotations and edge calls. She’s been consistently receiving edge calls on her 3F and under-rotations on her 3Lz-3T.

- Aubrey came in 1st place, but fell on a 3T near the end of the program and received a negative GOE on her 2A. No 3-3 from her, although she’ll probably upgrade her 3Lz-2T soon.

Junior Ladies:
- Emilia Murdock is in 2nd place after the Short, missing her 3Lz-3T combo due to a fall. Her jumps included a 3Lz (edge call), 3F, and 2A. Aside from the botched combo, everything else received positive GOE’s, including three Level Fours and one Level Three on her spins and step sequences. Emilia placed 2nd overall. Her Long: 3Lz was deemed wrong edge and under-rotated, 3Lo was under-rotated, and 2T was under-rotated. Everything else received positive GOE's including Level 4s, 3s, and a Level 2 on her spins and step sequences.

Overall thoughts: Aubrey's the most technically sound in terms of edges and under-rotations, but in terms of challenging content, Lindsay's at the top. Lindsay seems to have the most trouble with her 3F and 3Lz-3T whilst Emilia has trouble adding the 2T or 3T to her 3Lz in the beginning. Good job girls, cannot wait to see where they'll go in a few years.
 
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NAOTMAA said:
If Starr Andrews never makes it big one can never ever say she was never given a chance :lol:
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What's your point? Give off dumping on Starr Andrews. I think DL's pile-ons are more than enough. Ha ha.

Starr is 17-years-old. She had a great senior debut last season, the culmination of a lot of hard work. She had very good programs this year, but something was missing. She lacked confidence and competitive fire. However, her sophomore showing doesn't indicate what's going to happen for her going forward. It's up to her and the choices she makes. Every skater has to reassess and work on their weaknesses. Some skaters never make it big with huge talent! And some with less talent push themselves to succeed. Nothing is a given. As we know, figure skating is a tough beast of a sport. We all take our chances in life, or not.
 
The US ladies brought it during Four Continents. However, I don't understand the PCS... Mariah put forth emotion and artistry on a totally different level and deserved higher PCS. As for Ting, we can never be assured in anything because of her past consistency troubles, but she shows that her Long was anything but a fluke. Bradie... no matter how others try to put her down, you cannot deny her mental fortitude and drive to improve. All in all, an amazing competition for the US ladies and Mariah and Bradie are looking mighty fine heading into Worlds. Congratulations to ALL the ladies and sending forth positive vibes heading into the Long.
 
natsulian said:
The US ladies brought it during Four Continents. However, I don't understand the PCS... Mariah put forth emotion and artistry on a totally different level and deserved higher PCS
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Was just gonna comment on this...

No I disagree.... Johnny and Tara were both saying in after show that Mariah was star of show and should have won PCS.. I so disagree... AND I LOVE HER.

Look at that combo.. when she did it even Johnny said she comes down with a ker-plumpt. Every time this year in the SP when she goes into that combo I clinch my fist because she goes with no speed at all.. And thats where the UR can come in is on the backend (3 toe) To me that is skating skills..... and that is part of PCS too...

Bradie skates with conviction (look how she clinches her fist in the ending pose. I buy what she is selling) while Mariah skates with more grace and fluidity, so I have them equal there.... 2 skaters with 2 different ways to earn on Interpretation and choreo.
 
AngieNikodinovLove said:
Was just gonna comment on this...

No I disagree.... Johnny and Tara were both saying in after show that Mariah was star of show and should have won PCS.. I so disagree... AND I LOVE HER.

Look at that combo.. when she did it even Johnny said she comes down with a ker-plumpt. Every time this year in the SP when she goes into that combo I clinch my fist because she goes with no speed at all.. And thats where the UR can come in is on the backend (3 toe) To me that is skating skills..... and that is part of PCS too...

Bradie skates with conviction (look how she clinches her fist in the ending pose. I buy what she is selling) while Mariah skates with more grace and fluidity, so I have them equal there.... 2 skaters with 2 different ways to earn on Interpretation and choreo.
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A respectable analysis and I agree, I never thought of it in that manner. Regardless of the scores, the US ladies came in ready to fight and showed the world how strong they can be.
 
I was very impressed by all the ladies. I'm very happy that Bradie is 1st, although I am not so sure I'd give her higher scores than Kaori. Guess it came down to the base value.

As for Ting, she had a good short. But her problem has frequently been one good program, one bad program in the same competition. Hopefully this is no longer the case!

ETA: Never mind, Shin Amano is the caller for men.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Amen that Vincent got clean jump calls internationally and NOT nationally. I hope that kills some old wives tales.
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With a very lenient tech panel today (not just for him - Jun definitely got away with stuff too, among others). The jumps looked a little better, but still let's acknowledge that this panel was not making the calls that others this season have been.
 
RoseRed said:
With a very lenient tech panel today (not just for him - Jun definitely got away with stuff too, among others). The jumps looked a little better, but still let's acknowledge that this panel was not making the calls that others this season have been.
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Either way, the tale I was talking about was how Nationals callers have been more leinent with Vincent than international callers, and that's not true considering his calls at both 2018 and 2019 Nationals compared to his calls at 2017 Junior Worlds; 2018 Olympics; 2019 Worlds SP; and now 2019 4CC SP.

Anyway, this panel did call some URs and with Shin Amano, so if they thought to call Vincent's jumps they would have like they did with Jason's 3A which was ignored at Nationals when he got full credit for it despite having similar rotation issues. Since I've been observing the UR calls throughout the stages of IJS evolution I noticed that skaters who don't have a UR reputation get away with questionable rotations at times by both callers and fans online.

ETA: Btw, I just looked up Deborah Noyes past calling when she served as tech controller as she did here and she made harsh calls in the past as well, especially if you look up 2015 Cup of China Ladies SP protocols. So with her and Shin...it could be that she was a lenient person who was out-voted by the other two. I just looked up one of Potzsch's protocols (2017 4CC) and she served at asst. tech specialist with Noyes as controller and there were calls for the men and that panel was harsh on Reynolds' LP.
 
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aftershocks said:
What's your point? Give off dumping on Starr Andrews. I think DL's pile-ons are more than enough. Ha ha.

Starr is 17-years-old. She had a great senior debut last season, the culmination of a lot of hard work.
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IMO, it's a bit much adieu about nothing at this point. Sure, Starr is a talented skater and good performer. But too much fuss is being made about her IMO, largely because of her name.
 
I’m not even slightly concerned about Ting. She was great today and she’s doing a lot of work on quads in training. How she goes tomorrow isn’t an issue, I’m looking forward to seeing where she is in two years from now.
 
insideedgeua said:
I’m not even slightly concerned about Ting. She was great today and she’s doing a lot of work on quads in training. How she goes tomorrow isn’t an issue, I’m looking forward to seeing where she is in two years from now.
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The thing is though is she needs to prove to herself that she can skate clean programs everytime she gets out there and not bomb one program then skate clean in the next one and the sooner she learns this the better. Doing this against a stacked field of Senior ladies at a major international competition will go a long ways towards that goal. I just don't want to see her be one of those skaters that makes you tear out your hair everytime she skates.
 
I don't get the Ting hype. I have not seen anything that makes me think "WOW" She's a nice skater but so far the skating I have seen has not lived up tot he FSU "Hype". (Which apparently is acceptable unlike the NBC "hype" LOL!)
 
Carolla5501 said:
I don't get the Ting hype. I have not seen anything that makes me think "WOW" She's a nice skater but so far the skating I have seen has not lived up tot he FSU "Hype". (Which apparently is acceptable unlike the NBC "hype" LOL!)
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If you’ve seen Ting live, she’s a whole different beast. Ting’s jumps are gorgeous and huge, her extensions reach out to the audience like presents waiting to be opened, and her innate musicality entrances and sucks you in. However, with Ting, the moment she passes one jumping pass and falls, that intimate connection with the audience is severed. Thus, people say that she needs to work on consistency because she’s prone to melting down.
 
Japanfan said:
IMO, it's a bit much adieu about nothing at this point. Sure, Starr is a talented skater and good performer. But too much fuss is being made about her IMO, largely because of her name.
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Did you mean adieu (goodbye) or 'adoo' (to do) about nothing? :huh: As far as Starr, I mean right. That's her name. Make something more out it if you will, as some of us have a tendency to do. The 'fuss' that's being made is in the eye or mind of the beholder, i.e., those doing the fussing, and the overdone critiquing.

Frankly, like most skaters, Starr has worked very hard to push herself forward in the sport out of her own passion for skating. She will have to work much harder and make the right decisions in order to go farther. That's the way of of the sport. In fact, it's actually more difficult for Starr b/c some of the scrutiny abounds due to her beautiful, striking skin color and her heritage, which is rare in this sport. It's not just about her name. That's surface trifle driven by hype. I suspect that Starr takes all the hype over her name in stride. Ultimately, her name is her name and she has nothing to do with how people perceive her name or her skin color. Just as Vanessa James does, Starr rises above with a smile and hard work taking care of her own business.

Making much adoo about athletes' names tends to happen. But it's never an athlete's name that will ultimately breed their success or failure. Just ask Gracie Gold.
 
What was really interesting to me was the juxtaposition between the older and younger generation in terms of knowledge regarding figure skating. My professors all know Michelle, Tara, Nancy, and Oksana whilst my classmates MAY know Michelle or Tonya, but it stops there. In fact, the only commonality between the two groups is that a lot of them think Michelle is an Olympic Gold medalist. It really goes to show how the popularity of figure skating has declined over the years, but recently, after the Winter Olympics, interest has spiked. Mirai, Adam, Tonya Harding, and Nathan are the most popular ones I found and recently, people have been commenting on the “little 13-year-old”. 2018-2019 is a turning point for figure skating in the US and I’m excited to see how it all pans out.

P.S. - “I, Tonya” was huge in my area. Even friends who have no inkling or penchant for figure skating saw it and loved it.
 
All this talk of "Ado" and "Adieu" reminds me of my freshman year of college when I said Much To Do About Nothing and felt really stupid once corrected. It also reminds me of the title of the 5th season finale of Cheers aka the last episode of Shelley Long's tenure on the show that was titled "I Do, Adieu" because she agreed to get married to Sam but ended up leaving. I thought that was a clever episode title.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
All this talk of "Ado" and "Adieu" reminds me of my freshman year of college when I said Much To Do About Nothing and felt really stupid once corrected. It also reminds me of the title of the 5th season finale of Cheers aka the last episode of Shelley Long's tenure on the show that was titled "I Do, Adieu" because she agreed to get married to Sam but ended up leaving. I thought that was a clever episode title.
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Noted, though I'm not sure who would warrant that thread title. A future Mrs. Ponsart, perhaps? :unsure:
 
Speaking of her, I really hope Mariah follows through with a clean LP skate as well. She really needs to build up that reputation to increase her PCS. I thought her PCS was pretty high in the Fall given the performances she gave, but then her PCS was a bit lower than I expected (not too much though) for that sort of SP skate. I do think she could skate that SP even better though.
 
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