#TeamTrainwreck 17: Just don't screw up like you always do!

[Wyliefan]

Business Dornbush
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv5GsdSH_CY/
#stillnotoverit

I'll never be over it.

 

[Ka3sha]

Don't you dare!
Details!

No details , just some rumors circulating on Russian boards.
She is 16, he is 21 - very big age difference, he is aging out from juniors and she still has two/three seasons...
Also, theh said in several different interviews that they don’t have any common interests outside of skating and don’t communicate a lot off the ice.

+ Loboda/Shibnev

She retired and moved to coaching.
Maybe just for now, but who knows..

 

[Jeschke]

he is aging out from juniors

She retired and moved to coaching.

So Shibnev/Nazarov. I am okay with that

 

[her grace]

I will join you!
And there are some rumors that Khudaberdieva/Nazarov (my fav Russian junior team) also parted their ways

Wait, what?? I really liked them, too! #toomanyfavorites

 

[Ardarys]

Speaking of that and reasons behind.

How is the ttw consensus on sending GG's Rostelecom SP into the -POTS-race?
While it's undeniable that it might be a frontrunner to win (the comeback, the actual skate, the wd after), I am very unsure to put her in based on the background.

I know I’m new but I had followed the conversation about including Cain/Leduc ‘s fall (I think it was MESS?) and I liked what you said about the point of the awards being fun and celebratory and not mean spirited. I think that was kind of an obvious choice. This is a little more ambiguous — on one hand, on paper it seems to be a perfect candidate, but because we DO know so much of the backstory, it makes it a little uncomfortable. But then again, other past candidates may have had similar things going on in the background and we just weren’t aware of it because they didn’t speak about it. I’m torn What does everyone else think?

 

[Vagabond]

Speaking of that and reasons behind.

How is the ttw consensus on sending GG's Rostelecom SP into the -POTS-race?
While it's undeniable that it might be a frontrunner to win (the comeback, the actual skate, the wd after), I am very unsure to put her in based on the background.

It isn't the background that's the problem, it's what was going on right then and there. Gold showed up overweight, unfit, and unprepared for elite competition, taking a Grand Prix entry from someone else who would have been ready to compete and forfeiting the possibility of a future Grand Prix entry as a comeback skater.

Please do not include this program in the list of nominees.

 

[Mad for Skating]

@Ka3sha why the hell put it in russian thread first where no one cares about that when all that matters is who is banged by morozov where, when and how often.

Jealousy, honey. It’s all about jealousy. Ilinykh and Stolbova were my first two crushes and I guess I’m just a bitter, thirsty gay.

Try picturing Aliev, Samarin, and Murashov getting done hard by TAT and we’ll see how you like it!

 

[Mad for Skating]

I will join you!
And there are some rumors that Khudaberdieva/Nazarov (my fav Russian junior team) also parted their ways

In the words of the classic Russian novels,
“What is to be done? Who is to blame?”

(I’m really upset about this, they were my favorite juniors too)

 

[Jeschke]

Wait, what??

Not your week!

 

[Jeschke]

Try picturing Aliev, Samarin, and Murashov getting done hard by TAT and we’ll see how you like it!

I definitely would celebrate TAT for managing all 3 at once!

 

[Jeschke]

It isn't the background that's the problem, it's what was going on right then and there. Gold showed up overweight, unfit, and unprepared for elite competition, taking a Grand Prix entry from someone else who would have been ready to compete and forfeiting the possibility of a future Grand Prix entry as a comeback skater.

Please do not include this program in the list of nominees.

I totally see your point, that's exactly why I asked for other opinions, thanks.
Question remains: Is too much 'political correctness' killing the fun factor in the train? Taking a look back to last year, Pogo won 2 awards with a very hurtful fall and and a horror skate/psycho knc. No one in here cared about iirc.

Thin red line this is
Let's wait for other opinions, consensus will decide.

 

[alchemy void]

Definitely NO for Gracie going on POTS list.

I feel like a worthy POTS winner is something I’d want to rewatch. Definitely don’t want to see his one again.

 

[Mad for Skating]

I definitely would celebrate TAT for managing all 3 at once!

Not what I meant, but she’s TAT, she can manage. I’m afraid she’d be very loud though, giving commentary the whole time on which one had the best butt

Bossman, you’re getting shown up by an old woman

 

[Ka3sha]

Stanislava Konstantinova:
LP: Moulin Rouge
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv7F-Con_2i/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=18a1ldp5bd9xi

 

[DobrinFan]

Seriously? Moulin Rouge.

 

[rfisher]

Just when I wasn't going to say negative things. Now, I can feel free to snark all I want to. Gubanova for the GP!

 

[Taso]

Seriously? Moulin Rouge.

I think it'll be great! She does well with the dramatik

 

[Mad for Skating]

MOULIN ROUGE??? I’m so excited! Except I hope they give her good music cuts. I’m picturing Roxanne, not the love songs.

I think it'll be great! She does well with the dramatik

Thanks for the faith, Taso! Somebody’s gotta be optimistic around here!

 

[Taso]

MOULIN ROUGE??? I’m so excited! Except I hope they give her good music cuts. I’m picturing Roxanne, not the love songs.



Thanks for the faith, Taso! Somebody’s gotta be optimistic around here!

I hope her cuts are good too! The thing that was disappointing to me about her Malaguena this year was the recording choice - there are far, far better renditions IMO. But the rest of her cuts have always been very good IMO!

I have faith in Stasya Though truly, she's my Liashenko of the current generation in some ways (except a decade younger, you know?)

 

[Jeschke]

Hm, as much as I love Stasia and this movie (my actual favourite movie), the choice leaves me
I can see her totally giving it all, another dramatic dying character, ...

But please skating gods, bring the good, unused original score of Craig Armstrong and not the 'classic' Tango de Roxanne, Come what may, etc.
(Craine had some good MR music, so there is hope after all)

 

[kwanfan1818]

Hope dies last.

(But that's why we're here, right?)

 

[Vagabond]

I love it when @Sylvia and @kwanfan1818 post here at #TTW.

 

[Jeschke]

Hope dies last.

I'll clinch my hope to this Moulin Rouge quote:
'Don't worry Shakespeare Bossman, you'll get your ending.'

 

[Ardarys]

I’m not thrilled about the music either but at the very least she’ll probably have a pretty costume.

(Sometimes in this sport I force myself to be happy with very, very little)

 

[Ka3sha]

I’m not thrilled about the music either but at the very least she’ll probably have a pretty costume.

She definitely will !

Off-topic, but I really like most of costumes made by this St Petersburg’ designer , who makes costumes for some of our beloved trainwrecks

 

[Jeschke]

@Ka3sha who is the guy Stasia changed in for McGregor in her InstaStory?

 

[Vagabond]

I totally see your point, that's exactly why I asked for other opinions, thanks.
Question remains: Is too much 'political correctness' killing the fun factor in the train? Taking a look back to last year, Pogo won 2 awards with a very hurtful fall and and a horror skate/psycho knc. No one in here cared about iirc.

po·lit·i·cal cor·rect·ness
/pəˈlidəkəl kəˈrek(t)nəs/
noun

1. the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
   "women like him for his civil rights stand and political correctness"

https://www.google.com/search?ei=DyapXJaQFYjysQWj8pTQCQ&q=political+correctness+definition&oq=political+correctness"&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.0i67j0l9.5024.7621..9448...0.0..0.144.1503.0j13......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i71.ATcCx2N0nPw

Trainwrecks are not, in and of themselves, socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

People can empathize with skaters having those "bad day at the office" moments that are grist for the mill of -POTS, MESS, and even Tursy-POTS. When it's clear (at the time or in retrospect) that a skater is injured in a fall or suffering from depression, an eating distorder, or something similar, that is a different kettle of fish.

 

[Dobre]

In honor of this thread, I would just like to contribute my own list of top 10 (OK, top 13) trainwreck performances in ice dance this season. Also, out of empathy for those fans who feel that their favorite team truly merits a spot at the top, they are in no particular order whatsoever:

Hubbell & Donohue's we-rotated-our-stationary-lift-in-our-hot-mess-of-an-R&J-program-right-off-the-4CC-podium FD

Sinitisina & Katsalapov's we-would-like-to-kick-off-our-reign-as-first-time-Russian-National-Champions-with-a-double-fail-on-the-twizzles Europeans RD

Zagorski & Guerreiro's absolutely-nothing-is-working-today-even-if-our-skates-were-tied Russian Nationals FD

Soucisse & Firus's we-changed-our-program-back-and-clearly-need-to-demonstrate-that-doing-so-is-not-a-good-idea-in-ice-dance Nationals FD

The Parsons' we-changed-our-program-to-a-new-one-right-before-Nationals-and-clearly-need-to-demonstrate-that-doing-so-is-not-a-good-idea-in-ice-dance Nationals FD

Muller & Dieck's entire season. What can you say?

Ichilov & Davidovich's RD at Lake Placid International. You'll just have to trust me on this one.

Shpilevaya & Smirnov's let's-splat-at-our-second-Challenger-in-order-to-make-the-Russian-Fed-feel-validated-in-passing-us-over-for-Rostelecom FD at Inge Solar

Smart & Diaz's we-deserve-to-be-#1-for-Spain-wipeout-in-the-footwork-sequence FD at Internationaux de France

Gilles & Poirier's let's-start-off-our-first-Skate-Canada-as-the-home-favorites-by-doing-the-splits-in-the-pattern RD

Kaliszek & Spodyriev's we-are-so-not-ready-for-this-season-that-no-one-will-forgive-us-even-after-we-improve-all-year-long RD & FD debut at Nebelhorn Trophy

Nazarova & Nikitin's things-can-be-even-worse-and-suck-up-your-whole-season RD & FD debut at the same event

Popova & Mozgov's we-can-somehow-blow-this-prime-opportunity-to-bring-in-a-top-24-SB-score-even-with-the-easiest-caller-of-the-season RD & FD at Golden Spin

 

[Mad for Skating]

I hope her cuts are good too! The thing that was disappointing to me about her Malaguena this year was the recording choice - there are far, far better renditions IMO. But the rest of her cuts have always been very good IMO!

I have faith in Stasya Though truly, she's my Liashenko of the current generation in some ways (except a decade younger, you know?)

I agree with all your points!
I hope she uses a very dark Roxanne and a cut of The Show Must Go On - I don’t think the sweet romantic stuff is for her.

She definitely will !

Off-topic, but I really like most of costumes made by this St Petersburg’ designer , who makes costumes for some of our beloved trainwrecks

I love that designer too! She is so creative and inventive. I loved her costumes for Stasya this year.

 

[SmallFairy]

I totally see your point, that's exactly why I asked for other opinions, thanks.
Question remains: Is too much 'political correctness' killing the fun factor in the train? Taking a look back to last year, Pogo won 2 awards with a very hurtful fall and and a horror skate/psycho knc. No one in here cared about iirc.

Thin red line this is
Let's wait for other opinions, consensus will decide.

I agree with @alchemy void
I’ve voiced my opinion on the matter in general earlier, and the line is indeed thin, because I agree. It should be fun. In retrospect, Pogo’s bad fall where she injured her back, should maybe be left out of our polls. Looking at it now, I cringe. But maybe I’m just going soft?

GG’s skate was just bad. No splat or die, just doubling out. No fun, no heartbreak. I say leave it out.

Yesterday, at competition, one of my kiddos got an asthma attack during her program. Thankfully I wasn’t coaching, just watching. She fell to the ice going into a spin and bended over, half laying, half sitting, for a long time. Terrible. Afterwards she told me she could not breath at all and felt terrified. In the end, she was asssisted off the ice, crying heavily. She’s 13. I said earlier we should be more careful about junior MESS, bad ass Trusova maybe an exception. If this happened at an international comp, with a star skater, it could pass as MESS and POTS, as she was ok in a few hours, or maybe not?

My coach (also a judge) also told about another girl, who was so nervous she has to stop and puke (out on the ice!)during her program and then couldn’t finish. Our team hasn’t seen it all yet.