#TeamTrainwreck 17: Just don't screw up like you always do!

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kwanfan1818

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Thank you, @SamuraiK, and also for the correction about China, which didn't have a third competitor.

I look forward to seeing how this plays out for 2022, especially if they keep the Pairs field up to 20 in the FS: all teams (19) made the FS in 2019, where 16/28 Pairs made the cut in 2018. The SP cut-off in 2018 was 63.26, and #17's SP score was 61.48. That would have been 12th in 2019, where there was no pressure to make the FS cut skated under the +5/-% GOE system and with a marginal .1 higher in max base for L4 of the prescribed spin, death spiral, and lift types in 2019.

If there had been 20 in the FS in 2017, then the US and Germany would have earned two each from Helsinki, with Hase/Seegert (19) and Denney/Frazier (20) in the FS (along with Japan and Austria), and France, Germany, and China would have been eligible to earn a second or third at Nebelhorn, unless 16-20 skated blinders in the FS and knocked the Knierims to 11th or below or James/Cipres and the Knierims to 11th and 13th or below.
 

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In ladies ITA, KAZ, KOR would have needed to send skaters to Nebelhorn for the 2nd spot and CAN for their 3rd. I think only KOR out of those would had no problem getting it so the field at 2018 would have looked very different too (No Austman or Russo either :( )
 

kwanfan1818

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Do the new rules preclude anyone who was responsible for qualifying a spot on their own from competing at the qualifier? If not, Canada could have sent Osmond or Daleman to Nebelhorn, Italy could have sent Koster, and Kazakhstan could have sent Tursynbaeva, which would have defeated the purpose of creating the rule in the first place. Countries can continue to send skaters and teams who don't have citizenship to Worlds and Nebelhorn, because, technically, they could receive it and get a passport by the January deadline.

I wonder why they chose to focus this way, rather than say, for example, that the minimums for the second and third spots are the Worlds minimums that need to be obtained at an ISU event instead of simply all senior B's.
 

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Do the new rules preclude anyone who was responsible for qualifying a spot on their own from competing at the qualifier? If not, Canada could have sent Osmond or Daleman to Nebelhorn, Italy could have sent Koster, and Kazakhstan could have sent Tursynbaeva, which would have defeated the purpose of creating the rule in the first place. Countries can continue to send skaters and teams who don't have citizenship to Worlds and Nebelhorn, because, technically, they could receive it and get a passport by the January deadline.

I wonder why they chose to focus this way, rather than say, for example, that the minimums for the second and third spots are the Worlds minimums that need to be obtained at an ISU event instead of simply all senior B's.
They can't send a skater/team who made the FS at the qualifying Worlds. So Canada couldn't have sent Kaetlyn or Gabby, but could have sent Alaine who probably would have managed it.
 

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Moskvina and her group hold a traditional summer master class this Saturday :cheer2:
Guess, who is planning to go? You can definitely expect some :sekret: ...
 

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Oh, noes. LaTuk has officially announced she will not compete at the 2020 Olympics in Japan. :drama: Foiled by fate to miss another Olympics. Bless her. :lol:
 

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Oh, noes. LaTuk has officially announced she will not compete at the 2020 Olympics in Japan. :drama: Foiled by fate to miss another Olympics. Bless her. :lol:
I'm sure she could qualify in the target shooting events if they made the targets photos of the people who selected Russia's 2019 Worlds team.
 

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Reasons why Gubanova was excluded?
@Vagabond please add to qualities: 13) Kicked off your training group

You all wanted her in, this is what you get! 💁🏼‍♂️
 
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rfisher

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If she's back in St. P, that means Rukavitsin!

Besides, what's Buianova done since Adelina anyway other than smack Kovtun around. :drama:
 

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If she's back in St. P, that means Rukavitsin!

Besides, what's Buianova done since Adelina anyway other than smack Kovtun around.
Well, Danielian won silver at JW last year and finished 4th this year.

ETA: and Kovtun won nationals after a long absence.
 

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A timely reminder for da bossman and anyone else who has been out of town, hasn't been paying attention, or might want to ask for a friend:

Criteria:
1) Skater needs a complete package to potentially be a top skater at Euros/4CC's/Worlds/Olympic level
2) Skater needs to have the ability to absolutely rock one day and splat the day after. Even better: rock and splat during one program
3) Skater is not afraid of breaking one's heart over and over again
4) Skater needs more splat/messy performances than great ones

Rules:
1) Worlds/Olympic medalists and Euro/4CC's champions are not eligible
2) Multiple Euros/4CC's medal winners are not eligible
3) Membership and changes to the Rules and Qualities shall be decided by consensus among longstanding posters in the #TeamTrainwreck Threads, subject to points 1) and 2)
3) The @Jeschke is the one to decide over membership
[Pressman's note: had to spend hours sleuthing thro to thugh the Archives in order to humor da bossman and include this superseded Rule. The :COP: may be edited yet again, if necessary and appropriate. :sekret:]
4) The pinky166 is not allowed to make more than one proposal a day
5) Proposals can be submitted in the #teamtrainwreck thread
6) New membership is granted only to current skaters
7) New membership is only granted to senior skaters (at least one international senior competition)
8) Membership can be cancelled due to points 1) and 2), numerous decent skates in a row or not being competitive on elite level anymore.

Qualities:
1) Being a student of Volchkova/Rukavicin
2) Big boobs/nice ass
3) Boobs/belly/nipples showing
4) Mule kick
5) Being Uzbek/Russian
6) last name called Schott
7) Bizarre off ice incidents
8) Coach
9) Costume (-Malfunction)
10) Splats
11) Bizarre Choreo
12) Hair

Pantheon:
Gimazetdinova, Anastasia
Hubert, Laëtitia
Miner, Ross
Sandhu, Emanuel

Fans' Auxiliary:
alchemy_void
pinky166
SmallFairy

Glossary:
#TTW = Team Trainwreck
1930's Belarussian = Katsiarina Pakhamovich
Big Bro 1.0 = Michal Březina
Big Bro 2.0 = Jorik Hendrickx
Bossman = Jeschke (not Norman Jeschke)
Cave In = Kévin Aymoz (from the French pronunciation of his first name and his tendency to cave in)
Comfy Balls = Sondre Oddvoll Bøe (from his brand of shorts for underwear, as reflected on his social media posts)
Danny Salmon = Daniel Samohin
Elvis = Nicolas Nadeau (from his Elvis Presley Free Skate of a couple of seasons ago)
Empress, The = Aliona Savchenko
Lil Sis 1.0 = Eliška Březinová
Lil Sis 2.0 = Loena Hendrickx
Lovebirds = Two young skaters who display their affection for each other on social media (exact meaning depends on context)
Narcissus and Echo = Guillaume Cizeron and Gabriella Papadakis
Our boy = Dmitri Aliev
Perkova = Alena Leonova
Poster boy = Daniel Samohin
Poster girl = Stanislava Konstantinova
Pressman = Vagabond
Queen U = Elizaveta Ukolova
Romsky = Roman Sadovsky (from his moniker on social media)
Silver Fox = Sergei Voronov
Susie = Ksenia Stolbova (from Google Translate)
Telenovela = Deniss Vasiljevs, either with or without his coach (for obvious reasons)
TM1 = Maria Artemieva (Trainwreck Maria #1)
TM2 = Maria Stavitskaya (Trainwreck Maria #2)
Tsareva = (1) To react impassively to success or failure; (2) not to suffer fools gladly.
Vice = alchemy_void

MEEPOTS = Most Epic Ending Pose of the Season
MESS = Most Epic Splat of the Season
MIMOS = Most Important Minion of the Season
POTS or :gallopin1-POTS = Performance of the Season
Tursy-POTS = Kiss and Cry Performance of the Season (from Elizabet Tursynbayeva's mother)

FAQ:

If I post in this thread, does that mean I'm on #TTW?

No, the skaters are the ones on the Team, not us. But you may aspire to joining the Fans' Auxiliary.

Can I submit a nomination during the offseason? And if I do, will it be considered?
You can always submit a nomination, but right now, da bossman is being :drama: and says he will Tsareva any nominations until the start of the Junior Grand Prix. And even if he were to consider it, he would probably shoot your suggestion down. It will help, however, to back up the nomination by citing to the Criteria, Rules, and Qualities.

Who decides whether a skater's membership should be cancelled on grounds other than medaling or retirement?
Normally, da bossman, possibly with the advice of vice. But there's always a first time for everything. :sneaky:

Why is Alena Leonova on the List? She has a World Silver Medal.
There's a Perkova Rule, which is so obvious it doesn't need to be included in the Rules above, namely, a skater is on the Team if she (1) has only one World or Olympic Silver or Bronze Medal and no international gold medals, (2) has never won her home country's National Championship, and (3) is Perkova.

What about Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Elena Radionova?
Da bossman has his delusions, and we humor him.

Do you have to be voidy to be on the Team?
No, but it helps. You do, however, have to be heartbreaking.

Is there an anti-American bias here?
Not at all. Several Americans are or have been on the team, e.g., Ross Miner, Richard Dornbush, Gracie Gold, and Mirai Nagasu.

What is the Pantheon?
The Pantheon is something we cooked up here in the #TTW Press Office to promote those skaters who have retired. Each member of the Pantheon must embody in his or her own way the essence of Team Trainwreck as determined by the pressman. :judge:

How do I get on the Fans' Auxiliary?
Not by asking or campaigning for it.

Why isn't being French and hot one of the Qualities?
It's implicit in being French and hot that a skater has the listed Qualities in spades.

Sally Skater and Peter Partner fell on their side-by-side triple flips at last weekend's competition. Surely that makes them worthy of the Team.
In and of itself, falling once or even several times in one program does not warrant membership. Please reread the Criteria.

Why aren't skaters allowed on the Team before they skate Seniors at the international level?
We want to give them time to mature without putting too much pressure on them.

Is there a King and Queen, or is everybody equal?
No, but we do have da bossman and vice.

Can someone clarify what this thread is for/about?
No.

Why is this thread in The Trash Can, whereas From Russia with Love is in Great Skate Debate?
That's a good question.

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Hanna

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Is someone here planning on going on hunt for the GPF tickets tomorrow? And do we even have an actual time? :slinkaway
 
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