2024 Four Continents/Junior Worlds/Worlds US Team Speculation

[Karen-W]

trying to understand this. How come no Amber

Because that's the junior list...

 

[haribobo]

Sarah Everhardt could and should be sent out for World SP min (already has FS), especially if she is not named to the Jr Worlds team. With things looking a bit tenuous for Ava and Lindsay regarding injury recovery (lets see how 4CC goes), and Clare and Starr looking a little shaky at Nationals, I think Sarah actually might make the most sense for Worlds 1st Alternate assuming she can get the min score. I fully expect USFS to leave her off the alternate list altogether though, in favor of women who are struggling to land 2 clean triples in a free skate right now.

 

[Karen-W]

Sarah Everhardt could and should be sent out for World SP min (already has FS), especially if she is not named to the Jr Worlds team. With things looking a bit tenuous for Ava and Lindsay regarding injury recovery (lets see how 4CC goes), and Clare and Starr looking a little shaky at Nationals, I think Sarah actually might make the most sense for Worlds 1st Alternate assuming she can get the min score. I fully expect USFS to leave her off the alternate list altogether though, in favor of women who are struggling to land 2 clean triples in a free skate right now.

I don't disagree but the Challenge Cup entries are already out and the USFS isn't sending anyone, so I think they'll just risk it with Ava and Lindsay.

 

[Carolla5501]

A top jerk. His own mother won the very first 4CCs. I still care about Ilia…but he’s Jerk of the Century.

I dare say he’s not as big as jerk as you are

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Because that's the junior list...

what are you talking about Willis? You have Isabieau and Lindsay and Ava and everybody else on it

 

[Karen-W]

what are you talking about Willis? You have Isabieau and Lindsay and Ava and everybody else on it

Yeahhhhhhh... they are junior age-eligible and are therefore their results are included on the Calculation of Season Results table.

 

[Vagabond]

Whew... The Women, both Jr and Sr, are done! Selection Pool updates incoming!

First - Juniors...

Skater

Nationals

GPF/JGPF

GP Highest

GP Average

JGP Highest

JGP Average

CS Highest

CS Average

Sr/Jr B Highest

Sr/Jr B Average

Prev Season

Total

Events

Levito

802.72​

575.58​

260.1875​

257.10625​

0​

0​

198.79​

198.79​

0​

0​

135​

2428.17​

CS Nebelhorn, SkAm, GPdF, GPF

Lin-Gracey

692.44​

0​

0​

0​

223.95​

222.04375​

177.5​

177.5​

121.935​

121.935​

0​

1737.30​

Cranberry, JGP Istanbul, JGP Yerevan, CS Warsaw

Seo

750.24​

0​

204.7125​

204.7125​

0​

0​

171.94​

171.94​

111.3525​

111.3525​

0​

1726.25​

Cranberry, CS Budapest, SkAm

Thorngren

723.92​

0​

248.4125​

242.65625​

0​

0​

0​

0​

149.37​

149.37​

0​

1513.73​

Cranberry, SCI, NHK

Everhardt

773.48​

0​

0​

0​

210.8625​

210.8625​

0​

0​

120.8325​

120.8325​

0​

1436.87​

Cranberry, JGP Gdansk

J Lee

816.52​

0​

0​

0​

189.25​

189.25​

0​

0​

117.5325​

117.5325​

0​

1430.09​

Cranberry, JGP Linz

Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Levito*, Lin-Gracey, Seo, Thorngren*, Everhardt, J Lee, Kalin
* - I doubt either Levito or Thorngren want to be considered for JWC so I think the Int'l Committee will take the next two

Top 3 age-eligible skaters from Junior & Senior Nats - Higase-Chen, Park, Nemirovsky**, J Lee, Levito, Everhardt, Seo
** - does not have JWC TES mins

Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Seo

Top 24 on current Jr WR - Lin-Gracey, Zhang

Jr Worlds Team Prediction - J Lee & Seo, alternates - Lin-Gracey, Everhardt, Zhang

On the strength of last night's performances, it's very difficult to look past Josephine Lee and Sarah Everhardt.

 

[Karen-W]

On the strength of last night's performances, it's very difficult to look past Josephine Lee and Sarah Everhardt.

Sarah perhaps, Josephine not so much. USFS doesn't put as much stock in having one great comp at Nats compared to the entire season's results. Josephine was such a hot mess last summer she WD from/had her JGP assignment pulled, depending on the gossip you choose to believe.

 

[Andrea82]

I don't disagree but the Challenge Cup entries are already out and the USFS isn't sending anyone, so I think they'll just risk it with Ava and Lindsay.

Bellu Memorial and Merano Trophy (Merano actually accepts late entries for anyone needing Worlds TES minimum) entry deadlines have not closed yet.

 

[Karen-W]

And... Senior Dance...

Skater	Nationals	GPF	GP Highest	GP Average	CS Highest	CS Average	Sr B Highest	Sr B Average	Prev Season	Total	Events
Chock/Bates	863.68​	664.83​	266.2​	264.0125​	0​	0​	0​	0​	330​	2388.72​	SkAm, GP Espoo, GPF
Pate/Bye	739​	0​	230.725​	228.775​	191.2​	191.2​	133.4625​	133.4625​	0​	1847.83​	LPIDI, CS ACI, SCI, CoC
Brown/Brown	717.72​	0​	234.525​	228.01875​	177.66​	177.66​	135.495​	135.495​	0​	1806.57​	LPIDI, CS Finlandia, SkAm, SCI
Carreira/Ponomarenko	840.16​	0​	235.95​	234.6625​	191.14​	184.525​	0​	0​	75​	1761.44​	CS Nebelhorn, CS Finlandia, GPdF, GP Espoo
Green/Parsons	775.32​	0​	236.6625​	234​	168.56​	168.56​	0​	0​	150​	1733.10​	CS Lombardia, SkAm, CoC
Zingas/Kolesnik	726.8​	0​	231.2​	230.4625​	187.28​	185.3​	0​	0​	0​	1561.04​	CS Nepela, SCI, GP Espoo, CS Golden Spin
Bratti/Somerville	733.72​	0​	229.2875​	226.7625​	177.66​	177.66​	0​	0​	0​	1545.09​	CS Lombardia, CoC, NHK
Flores/Desyatov	718.68​	0​	0​	0​	180.62​	180.62​	0​	0​	0​	1079.92​	CS Golden Spin
Wolfkostin/Tsarevski	712.2​	0​	0​	0​	172.88​	168.11​	0​	0​	0​	1053.19​	CS ACI, CS Budapest
McNamara/Spiridonov	0​	0​	209.8​	207.55625​	167.77​	167.77​	126.8625​	126.8625​	0​	1006.62​	LPIDI, CS Nebelhorn, GPdF, NHK
Ling/Wein	666.88​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	115.3875​	115.3875​	0​	897.66​	LPIDI
Koncius/Shchepetov	597.44​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	597.44​
Kowar/Schwappach	530.48​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	530.48​
Murphy/Levitt	421.56​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	421.56​
Hawayek/Baker	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0​	0.00​

.
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Chock/Bates, Pate/Bye, Brown/Brown, Carreira/Ponomarenko, Green/Parsons

Top 5 teams from Senior Nats - Chock/Bates, Carreira/Ponomarenko, Bratti/Somerville, Green/Parsons, Pate/Bye

Top 10 from 2023 Worlds - Chock/Bates, Green/Parsons, Carreira/Ponomarenko

2022 Olympians - Chock/Bates, (Hawayek/Baker, Hubbell/Donohue)

Top 24 on current Sr WR - Chock/Bates, Carreira/Ponomarenko, Pate/Bye, Zingas/Kolesnik, Green/Parsons

Worlds Team Prediction - Chock/Bates, Carreira/Ponomarenko, Green/Parsons; alternates - Bratti/Somerville, Pate/Bye, Zingas/Kolesnik

 

[Rukia]

lol well Amber has just withdrawn from 4cc...who's the 1st alt??

 

[Karen-W]

lol well Amber has just withdrawn from 4cc...who's the 1st alt??

Elyce

 

[skatingguy]

Do they have to replace people in order? I guess they don't have much time to make these decisions.

 

[Karen-W]

Do they have to replace people in order? I guess they don't have much time to make these decisions.

They list the Alts in ranked order, so, yes, they'll go with Elyce ahead of Audrey and Starr.

Here is the official announcement...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1751391305341542550

 

[Rukia]

ok but maybe Ziegler has a fortune teller on hand and was masterfully playing the long game

 

[Karen-W]

I really believe we will have a WD from ChoBat before the end of the evening.

 

[Aceon6]

Seriously, as soon as the time/travel crunch for 4CCs was known, I suspected that the US would be sending a “get experience” team. Why USFS didn’t just select them from the get go confounds me.

 

[skatingguy]

Seriously, as soon as the time/travel crunch for 4CCs was known, I suspected that the US would be sending a “get experience” team. Why USFS didn’t just select them from the get go confounds me.

Hard to say to your top athletes that they can't go, particularly if they've planned their season with the travel, and competing twice in a short period of time. The upside to this sort of back to back competitions is they could be seen as a runthrough for the Team Event in two years.

 

[Private Citizen]

I really believe we will have a WD from ChoBat before the end of the evening.

I sincerely hope so unless their plan is to be Typhoid Marys who take out the rest of the competition.

I don't think I need to tell anyone that I'm anti-mask and anti-restriction, but there was really no need for Chock and Bates to skate today. They have many US titles already, and their Worlds spot was not in doubt. Going to 4CC when they're so visibly sick puts themselves and others at risk, plus it's stupid strategically to potentially end up off the podium in their last competition before Worlds.

The USFS should withdraw them if they don't come to their senses. I might excuse this type of behavior for Worlds or Olympics, but it's just unnecessary at US Nationals or 4CC.

 

[Jammers]

I still don't understand if the USFS knew ahead of time that China was going to do this and move 4CC up a week why didn't they move Nationals up a week too so the US team could have some time to rest and get ready for it.

 

[skatingguy]

I still don't understand if the USFS knew ahead of time that China was going to do this and move 4CC up a week why didn't they move Nationals up a week too so the US team could have some time to rest and get ready for it.

NBC

 

[genevieve]

I still don't understand if the USFS knew ahead of time that China was going to do this and move 4CC up a week why didn't they move Nationals up a week too so the US team could have some time to rest and get ready for it.

I mean, I'm pretty sure the venue had other things going on last week too

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

lol well Amber has just withdrawn from 4cc...who's the 1st alt??

whatttt???????

why didn’t you fax me?

 

[skatingguy]

whatttt???????

why didn’t you fax me?

Four Continents is next week's problem - you'll get your fax on Monday as per usual.

 

[Karen-W]

whatttt???????

why didn’t you fax me?

Sweets... you were at the gym and Trader Joe's and the news broke less than an hour ago...

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Now that I’ve had a total of six minutes to digest this I guess it does make sense for Amber to withdraw. China moved this whole thing up by one week to begin with correct?

I wonder if the ISU points she’ll miss out by not going could have propelled into a better start position for the world short program?

 

[A.H.Black]

I am now waiting for an announcement that Chock and Bates will not go to Four Continents. I haven't missed it have I?

 

[skatingguy]

I am now waiting for an announcement that Chock and Bates will not go to Four Continents. I haven't missed it have I?

Not so far.

 

[A.H.Black]

redundant

 

[Stephanie]

Sarah perhaps, Josephine not so much. USFS doesn't put as much stock in having one great comp at Nats compared to the entire season's results. Josephine was such a hot mess last summer she WD from/had her JGP assignment pulled, depending on the gossip you choose to believe.

Aren’t you thinking of Soho? Josephine competed at the second JGP in Austria