2024-25 ISU Grand Prix Assignments & projected alternates

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Karen-W

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Okay, so, after NHK, if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Everhardt
2 - Yoshida
3 - Matsuike
4 - Gutmann
5 - Petrokina
6 - Yun
7 - Schild
8 - Thorngren
9 - Mihara
10 - Jyrkinen
11 - Lisko
no score - Pelkonen (also she WD from SCI, so she may wind up WDing from this, next highest FIN on SB list is Ceder)

CoC -
1 - Glenn
2 - Chiba
3 - C Kim
4 - Sumiyoshi
5 - Gubanova
6 - Watanabe
7 - Repond
8 - Schizas
9 - M Kim
10-12 - An, Chen, Zhu

If (huge IF) those are the results, here's how the GPF points would look -

GPF Qualifiers
Glenn - 15+15 = 30
Sakamoto - 15+15 = 30
Higuchi - 15+13 = 28
Chiba - 13+13 = 26
Matsuike - 13+11 = 24
Yoshida - 11+13 = 24

GPF Alternates
Everhardt - 7+15 = 22
C Kim - 9+11 = 20
Sumiyoshi - 11+9 = 20

Chiba is in a really strong position to qualify for the GPF, so it will be interesting to see how that shakes out at CoC. If Everhardt wins next week she needs Yoshida to finish 3rd or lower, and then she needs to wait to see how CoC shakes out. A CoC win by either C Kim or Sumiyoshi will knock her out of the GPF; and a silver by Sumiyoshi would also knock her out.
 

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Pairs - if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps
2 - Pavlova/Sviatchenko
3 - Ghilardi/Ambrosini
4 - Chan/Howe
5 - Laurin/Ethier
6 - Nagaoka/Moriguchi
7 - Vaananen/Clerici
8 - Williams/Lewer

CoC -
1 - Hase/Volodin
2 - Conti/Macii
3 - Pereira/Michaud
4 - Chtchetinina/Wozniak
5 - McBeath/Parkman
6 - Kovalev/Kovalev
no score - Wang/Zhu & Yang/Deng

GPF Qualifiers -
Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps - 15+15 = 30
Hase/Volodin - 15+15 = 30
Miura/Kihara - 15+13 = 28
Conti/Macii - 13+13 = 26
Metelkina/Berulava - 9+15 = 24
Kam/O'Shea - 13+11 = 24

GPF Alternates -
Ghildardi/Ambrosini - 11+11 = 22
Efimova/Mitrofanov - 11+9 = 20
Pavlova/Sviatchenko - 7+11 = 18 or Pereira/Michaud - 7+11 = 18

Ghilardi/Ambrosini would guarantee themselves a spot in the GPF with a win next week (not out of the realm of possibility) and knock Kam/O'Shea out, while a silver would put them in a tiebreaker with Kam/O'Shea and they would need a SIGNIFIANTLY higher score than they've ever earned to move past Kam/O'Shea for the final GPF spot. Meanwhile, if Chan/Howe finish 2nd that would move them into one of the GPF Alternate spots (3rd would also do the trick in most all likelihood). Chan/Howe could also wind up in a points tiebreaker with Pereira/Michaud for the final GPF Alternate spot if Pereira/Michaud finish 4th or lower at CoC.
 
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Okay, so, after NHK, if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Everhardt
2 - Yoshida
3 - Matsuike
4 - Gutmann
5 - Petrokina
6 - Yun
7 - Schild
8 - Thorngren
9 - Mihara
10 - Jyrkinen
11 - Lisko
no score - Pelkonen (also she WD from SCI, so she may wind up WDing from this, next highest FIN on SB list is Ceder)

CoC -
1 - Glenn
2 - Chiba
3 - C Kim
4 - Sumiyoshi
5 - Gubanova
6 - Watanabe
7 - Repond
8 - Schizas
9 - M Kim
10-12 - An, Chen, Zhu

If (huge IF) those are the results, here's how the GPF points would look -

GPF Qualifiers
Glenn - 15+15 = 30
Sakamoto - 15+15 = 30
Higuchi - 15+13 = 28
Chiba - 13+13 = 26
Matsuike - 13+11 = 24
Yoshida - 11+13 = 24

GPF Alternates
Everhardt - 7+15 = 22
C Kim - 9+11 = 20
Sumiyoshi - 11+9 = 20

Chiba is in a really strong position to qualify for the GPF, so it will be interesting to see how that shakes out at CoC. If Everhardt wins next week she needs Yoshida to finish 3rd or lower, and then she needs to wait to see how CoC shakes out. A CoC win by either C Kim or Sumiyoshi will knock her out of the GPF; and a silver by Sumiyoshi would also knock her out.
I think the chances of Everhardt beating both Yoshida and Matsuike are very slim.Likewise Sumiyoshi with her big jumps might easily finish in the medals in China displacing Kim, Chiba or Glenn. The lesson of the GP so far is that every Japanese woman (except Mai, I guess) is a potential medalist.
 
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Men - if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Kagiyama
2 - Aymoz
3 - Grassl
4 - Yamamoto
5 - Cha
6 - Britschgi
7 - Tomono
8 - Pulkinen
9 - A Selevko
10 - Suntsev
11 - Virtanen
12 - Samoilov

CoC -
1 - Sato
2 - Siao Him Fa
3 - Shaidorov
4 - Egadze
5 - Vasiljevs
6 - Rizzo
7 - Memola
8 - Jin
9 - Hy Kim
10 - Chiu
no score - Dai & Y Chen

GPF Qualifiers -
Malinin - 15+15 = 30
Kagiyama - 15+15 = 30
Siao Him Fa - 15+13 = 28
Sato - 13+15 = 28
Aymoz - 13+13 = 26
Grassl - 13+11 = 24

GPF Alternates -
Torgashev - 11+9 = 20
Shaidorov - 9+11 = 20
Shimada - 5+13 = 18

If Cha beats Grassl next week by at least 4.5 points total score then he will knock Grassl out of the GPF and qualify instead; anything less than that he will lose the tiebreaker and move into the 1st Alternate position; 4th place ahead of Yamamoto would also make him an Alternate. A win by Yamamoto (not likely) would get him into the Final, 2nd or 3rd would put him on the Alternates list. Likewise, if Egadze beats Shaidorov at CoC that would place him on the Alternates list. Theoretically, a win by either would qualify for the GPF. Vasiljevs & Rizzo would wind up on the Alternates list with either a win or silver at CoC;
 

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I think the chances of Everhardt beating both Yoshida and Matsuike are very slim.Likewise Sumiyoshi with her big jumps might easily finish in the medals in China displaying Kim, Chiba or Glenn. The lesson of the GP so far is that every Japanese woman (except Mai, I guess) is a potential medalist.
You do realize that Everhardt's GPdF score was higher than Yoshida & Matsuike's scores at SCI, right?

Sumiyoshi is very hot & cold. She's easily more inconsistent with her big jumps than Glenn is with her 3a. She might finish in the medals, but I wouldn't bet on it against those other three.
 

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But scores aren’t static. ;) IF Rino can skate a clean SP this time, etc.
Sure... But, again, Rino's another one of those hot-cold skaters like Sumiyoshi - and as evidenced by her SP & FS at SCI. There's a reason why these women's SBs are the way they are. Yes, they may hit - they haven't yet though.
 

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Yeah, the scores never shake out based on one previous skate. China has a very, very deep field for the women in particular and Finland has a deep field for the men. Nothing’s going to go exactly how it did the first time around.

And for what it’s worth, it’s not ‘significantly higher’ for Ghilardi and Ambrosini. They would need 222 or so points this weekend if they win silver in order to be in the GPF picture. I don’t see them scoring 72 and 150, but that’s me..
 

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Dance - if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Gilles/Poirier
2 - Fear/Gibson
3 - Zingas/Kolesnik
4 - Taschlerova/Taschler
5 - Turkkila/Versluis
6 - Brown/Brown
7 - Pate/Bye
8 - Orihara/Pirinen
9 - Lim/Quan
10 - Pinchuk/Pogorielov

CoC -
1 - Guignard/Fabbri
2 - Davis/Smolkin (201+ at Nepela, the week after SkAm where they scored about 14 points lower)
3 - Lajoie/Lagha (with a fall in the RD at SCI)
4 - Carreira/Ponomarenko
5 - Smart/Dieck
6 - Turkkila/Versluis
7 - Green/Parsons
8 - Demougeot/LeMercier
9 - Ren/Xing
10 - Xiao/He

GPF Qualifiers -
Gilles/Poirier - 15+15 = 30
Chock/Bates - 13+15 = 28
Fear/Gibson - 15+13 = 28
Guignard/Fabbri - 13+15 = 28
Lopareva/Brissaud - 11+15 = 24
Lajoie/Lagha - 13+11 = 24

GPF Alternates -
Carreira/Ponomarenko - 13+9 = 22
Davis/Smolkin - 9+13 = 22
Smart/Dieck - 11+7 = 18 or Zingas/Kolesnik - 7+11 = 18 (would be decided on a tiebreaker)

So, let's be real... We know that DavSmo aren't beating LajLag or CarPon without significant mistakes from either of those teams. GuiFab cannot afford another error-laden FD like they had at GPdF - if that happens, they'll lose to both LajLag & CarPon - and if that happens, they won't make the GPF. I don't think that will happen, but God knows, stranger things have happened in ice dance on the GP this season. If CarPon beat LajLag then they will make the GPF - again, I think that's probably not likely and they're going to wind up as 1st Alternate. Finlandia seems pretty straightforward - which means it's probably the one that will have the most chaos, lol.
 

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Yeah, the scores never shake out based on one previous skate. China has a very, very deep field for the women in particular and Finland has a deep field for the men. Nothing’s going to go exactly how it did the first time around.
I agree. There's a lot still up in the air and the fields are just wonky enough at both Finlandia & CoC to create some more chaos.
And for what it’s worth, it’s not ‘significantly higher’ for Ghilardi and Ambrosini. They would need 222 or so points this weekend if they win silver in order to be in the GPF picture. I don’t see them scoring 72 and 150, but that’s me..
That's exactly my point... Those scores are significantly higher their PBs - 69~ and 131~ respectively. I do think they could maybe hit 72 in the SP with a perfectly clean program, but we all know her hit rate on the 3s is like 50-50, and I don't think 150 in the FS is anywhere within the realm of possibility, lol.
 

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From the Chinese news thread -

Gamez/Korovin should be next in line since China does not have any other senior age-eligible pairs teams. Hopefully they have enough time to get new visas or the ones they had from 4CCs last year are still valid. :cool:

Gamez and Korovin got to stay in the list, then? I was hoping their withdrawal wouldn't count against them, since they couldn't help it, but I know sometimes people don't get another chance if they withdraw...
 

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Gamez and Korovin got to stay in the list, then? I was hoping their withdrawal wouldn't count against them, since they couldn't help it, but I know sometimes people don't get another chance if they withdraw...
The GPF Alternates Rules aren't really definitive on this, but I'd think it shouldn't have - NHK would have been their 1st assignment and they still would have been in line for a 2nd assignment. I guess we'll know when we know, but my guess is the ISU wouldn't have held it against them - and possibly advised the feds with teams at either Finlandia or CoC to try and confirm as early as possible so that visas could be secured if necessary.
 

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Pairs - if the placements shake out according to their current SB scores, we'd have the following results...

Finlandia -
1 - Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps
2 - Pavlova/Sviatchenko
3 - Ghilardi/Ambrosini
4 - Chan/Howe
5 - Laurin/Ethier
6 - Nagaoka/Moriguchi
7 - Vaananen/Clerici
8 - Williams/Lewer

CoC -
1 - Hase/Volodin
2 - Conti/Macii
3 - Pereira/Michaud
4 - Chtchetinina/Wozniak
5 - McBeath/Parkman
6 - Kovalev/Kovalev
no score - Wang/Zhu & Yang/Deng

GPF Qualifiers -
Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps - 15+15 = 30
Hase/Volodin - 15+15 = 30
Miura/Kihara - 15+13 = 28
Conti/Macii - 13+13 = 26
Metelkina/Berulava - 9+15 = 24
Kam/O'Shea - 13+11 = 24

GPF Alternates -
Ghildardi/Ambrosini - 11+11 = 22
Pavlova/Sviatchenko - 7+11 = 18
Pereira/Michaud - 7+11 = 18

Ghilardi/Ambrosini would guarantee themselves a spot in the GPF with a win next week (not out of the realm of possibility) and knock Kam/O'Shea out, while a silver would put them in a tiebreaker with Kam/O'Shea and they would need a SIGNIFIANTLY higher score than they've ever earned to move past Kam/O'Shea for the final GPF spot. Meanwhile, if Chan/Howe finish 2nd that would move them into one of the GPF Alternate spots (3rd would also do the trick in most all likelihood). Chan/Howe could also wind up in a points tiebreaker with Pereira/Michaud for the final GPF Alternate spot if Pereira/Michaud finish 4th or lower at CoC.
Efimova/Mit have 20 points if I'm not wrong? So they should be in line as alternates.
 

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The GPF Alternates Rules aren't really definitive on this, but I'd think it shouldn't have - NHK would have been their 1st assignment and they still would have been in line for a 2nd assignment. I guess we'll know when we know, but my guess is the ISU wouldn't have held it against them - and possibly advised the feds with teams at either Finlandia or CoC to try and confirm as early as possible so that visas could be secured if necessary.
In 2022 Danilova/Tsiba had to withdraw from their assignment at Skate America due to visa issues and then picked up another at NHK Trophy, so history would dictate they’d still be top of the list for a spot.
 

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In 2022 Danilova/Tsiba had to withdraw from their assignment at Skate America due to visa issues and then picked up another at NHK Trophy, so history would dictate they’d still be top of the list for a spot.
I'd forgotten about that, but, yes - great example! Crossing my fingers that Isabella & Aleksandr are able to accept the CoC invitation.
 

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From the Chinese news thread -

Gamez/Korovin should be next in line since China does not have any other senior age-eligible pairs teams. Hopefully they have enough time to get new visas or the ones they had from 4CCs last year are still valid. :cool:

China only has one senior age-eligible pairs team?!! Guess they are still committted to pairing up pre-pubescent girls with grown men despite the age rule change. :rolleyes:
 

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YAY!!!!!
China only has one senior age-eligible pairs team?!! Guess they are still committed to pairing up pre-pubescent girls with grown men despite the age rule change. :rolleyes:
Yeah, Zhang/Huang will be senior eligible next season and they're not bad. Their other promising junior team doesn't have as big of an age difference, though @PRlady and I disagreed during the JGP on whether or not the girl is actually 13 or a year younger, lol.
 

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