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Brandon Mroz did the first quad lutz.Ryan Bradley did the first quad Lutz, it took some time for people like Boyang to come along, so I think Trusova may have sometime on her hand.
Brandon Mroz did the first quad lutz.Ryan Bradley did the first quad Lutz, it took some time for people like Boyang to come along, so I think Trusova may have sometime on her hand.
What I hope they’re doing is telling their student “See, she can do it! So can you!”
The reason that no one but Miki Ando landed a quad isn’t because no one could, it’s because no one committed to doing it. They played it safe and either didn’t train it or didn’t attempt it.
Mirai was clearly interested in landing a 3A very young, in fact she personally asked Mao how to land it when Mirai was just 13. So why didn’t she have one? Because her coaches didn’t want to take the risk or the challenge.
Many coaches don’t want to take the risk. Eteri has forced all these “play it safe” coaches out of their comfort zones. I see lots of girls attempting 4S and 4T online just for fun, but not seriously. Now girls will demand that their coaches teach them 3A and quads.
Finally, we’re advancing jumps in ladies too.
As much as I like Starr, I just don't see her holding up going forward-- her lutz and flip technique need some serious reworking in order to be competitive on an international level.
Still, I am excited for Ting Cui. It's great to see Ting be able to throw a 3-1-3 in her LP a couple of elements after missing it earlier and do 'Tano jumps left, right and center. Good musicality.
Starr has landed 3F with positive GOE several times in competition this past season. It's the Lutz she is aiming to improve (entry edge).Yes, I have to agree with this, and it's kind of too bad, cause Starr does appear to have an innate ability to tack on a 3-toe to anything - but it's not going to matter without a reliable 3 lutz or 3 flip.
Starr strikes me as a very determined young lady. It would not surprise me at all if she gets that lutz and I hope she is working on it right now. I know it will be difficult but she knows what she needs to do.Starr has landed 3F with positive GOE several times in competition this past season. It's the Lutz she is aiming to improve (entry edge).
Into each life, some rain must fall.Starr scares me a little. Each year she struggles with a jump and the next year she fixes it over the summer. I often make predictions and she's the one I always underestimate. I'm sick of being wrong.
Into each life, some rain must fall.
there are US and Canadian girls who are 12-13-14-15 years old ... so why are they not doing 3x3's and Quads while they are light, thin and "without hips"?Lets see Trusova land those quads at 16,17 when she actually has hips then i will be a believer. Like Frank Carroll once said girls her age and build rotate can like a bat out of hell that older ladies can't when they get older and get mature bodies.
Because it's really, really, really hard! There's only even one Russian girl doing it.there are US and Canadian girls who are 12-13-14-15 years old ... so why are they not doing 3x3's and Quads while they are light, thin and "without hips"?
there are US and Canadian girls who are 12-13-14-15 years old ... so why are they not doing 3x3's and Quads while they are light, thin and "without hips"?
Well, there you go.... and nobody is concerned about her "puberty monster".... i get it, she is American, so everything good that happens to her is "going in the right direction", and all good that happens to Russians must have something wrong with it... this attitude will eventually be very costly to your side.A 12 year girl at US Nationals did a clean 7 triple program with a 3-3.
Well, there you go.... and nobody is concerned about her "puberty monster".... i get it, she is American, so everything good that happens to her is "going in the right direction", and all good that happens to Russians must have something wrong with it... this attitude will eventually be very costly to your side.
Well, there you go.... and nobody is concerned about her "puberty monster".... i get it, she is American, so everything good that happens to her is "going in the right direction", and all good that happens to Russians must have something wrong with it... this attitude will eventually be very costly to your side.
Also, can we please STOP calling it the "puberty monster"? I saw it in a few posts or something close to calling it a monster. We just need to kill that now and encourage better body images and encourage skaters that their bodies maturing can be great for their skating and jumping if they have the technique that makes it so. Why must we hold on that notion?
VietgrlTerifa is hardly the police.
I've always hated the phrase. It sends the message that something external to you is taking over your body and wrecking it. That is not what happens.
If someone has health eating habits before puberty, and maintains them throughout, it shouldn't be the complete life destroying event that the phrase 'puberty monster' implies. Losing your physical abilities for a while doesn't mean losing them permanently.
Unless you are trying to land your jumps.VietgrlTerifa is hardly the police.
I've always hated the phrase. It sends the message that something external to you is taking over your body and wrecking it. That is not what happens.
If someone has health eating habits before puberty, and maintains them throughout, it shouldn't be the complete life destroying event that the phrase 'puberty monster' implies. Losing your physical abilities for a while doesn't mean losing them permanently.
there are US and Canadian girls who are 12-13-14-15 years old ... so why are they not doing 3x3's and Quads while they are light, thin and "without hips"?
Because it's really, really, really hard! There's only even one Russian girl doing it.
Thanks to @RFOS for explaining the rule change regarding the half loop (in the 2018 Junior Worlds subforum in Kiss & Cry):Congrats to Ting CUI for landing 7 clean triples in her FS today! 2A+3T, Rippon 3Lz-half loop trip/fall (so no 3S), 3Lo / 3F-half loop-3S(added!), 3F+2T, 2A, 3S - all triples were solid with + GOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMXm3VbF5A
7 Ting CUI USA 118.17 65.16 54.01 6.82 6.50 6.79 6.79 6.86 1.00 #16
Cui's FS protocol did confirm that the technical panel did not list the 1Lo (half loop) that she fell on after landing the 3Lz (-1.80 GOE was applied to the 3Lz by the judges for her trip/fall on the unlisted half loop, along with the -1 deduction).This season they changed the rule so that a half loop is only considered a listed jump when executed in combination between two listed jumps, and she [Cui] didn't get a third jump off in that intended combo. Although the 1Lo was originally called, her score went up by about 2.5 points long after the end long of the program, so I think they took it out, giving her full credit for the 3F+2T. The protocols will show for sure.
exactly! and same for "Canadian ladies fans"....I do think people need to stop talking about Russians in this thread really because it is coming off as American ladies supporters being poor sports .....
I meant more the quads are incredibly hard, not 3-3s. Plenty of ladies doing 3-3s.Funny you posted this.... (and I mean ladies.....over age 15)....looking the OLY team ladies going back 2-3 cycles....
Ashley Wagner has intermittently had clean 3x3 combos, going as far back as 2008 ( 18 yo) , but has chosen over the years to pull the 3x3 (it has varied as to what combo she does) when it has been inconsistent. Most recently, as a 26 yo, she has used a 3x3 sequence with a loop in the sequence to link the 3's
Mirai Nagasu has utilized various 3x3s over the years, (but with issues on UR over the years), going back to her 2008 National Championship season at age 14....so not 16). Her move to Zakrajsek has helped clean up the UR on the 3x3's
Gold, as short as her SR international career has been (or is over), did have very nice 3x3 combos when she was healthy
Christina Gao used the 3Tx3T back in 2010 (16 yo)
Bradie Tennell has certainly demonstrated solid 3x3's this season (as a 20 yo)
Karen Chen has also incorporated 3x3's, but with some inconsistencies over the years.
Polina Edmunds also had nice 3x3's in her OLY season in 2014, as a 15 yo (since 2014, she had reoccurring foot injuries which prevented consistent combos)
Rachael Flatt had consistent 3x3's, going back to her first season as a Sr lady as a 14 yo (domestically 2007 US Nationals, but still not on the international circuit) And, in 2010, as a 17 yo, she had a decent 3Lz-3Lp (she posted it on a #MotivationMonday twitter post recently...I think it was from US Nationals practice session https://www.facebook.com/RachaelFlattUSA/videos/10155472808733434/
So, it isn't as if the US ladies are not doing 3x3's once they go thru puberty. It seems to be an issue of finding which 3x3 combo is consistent for each skater, and sticking with that combo. Some of the skaters train both 3T and 3Lp on the back half of combos.... but for years, few 3x3Lps were ratified at international competitions for the ladies (think Miki Ando).
Now that we see very young RUS ladies (and I use that term loosely) doing quads and multiple 3x3's....one has to wonder about longevity in the sport. (Yevgenia Medvedev announced her w/d from Worlds still dealing with foot injury) Maybe one of the reasons we have seen Wagner and Nagasu still in the sport, as they did not fully embrace 3x3 combos as a mandatory part of their repertoire until recently, and they did not deal with the nagging lower limb/foot injuries that crop up from excessive training of jumps as their bodies have matured (i.e. stress fractures). Nagasu dealt with a stress fracture in her foot back in the early part of 2010, and it took most of the summer to recover from it.
I think it isn't that the younger US girls aren't trying the 3x3's....it is a matter of sticking with the training, staying injury free, as they go thru puberty. Perhaps with Nagasu's 3A achievement, it will spur more US girls to give the harder jumps more emphasis, and to place them in the programs (not all jumps mind you) in the second half to garner the increased value. It is also about choreography/skating skills...we don't want robotic jumping beans ;-)