Canadian Pairs 2018/2019 Season News and Updates

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Another lady I hadn't considered as Bilodeau's potential partner - Hayleigh Bell. I thought she was injured a while ago, though.

ETA: Via Instagram I just learned that she's speed-skating now, so it's probably not her, either.
 
Another lady I hadn't considered as Bilodeau's potential partner - Hayleigh Bell. I thought she was injured a while ago, though.

ETA: Via Instagram I just learned that she's speed-skating now, so it's probably not her, either.

Bell is also a clockwise rotator so I think it would be unlikely for that reason even if she wanted to come back to figure skating.
 
Because MM is not a phenomenal male pairs skater! KMT could be on top!!! She's fabulous - she just needs a partner with the same ability!

How easy it would be if playing pairs partner musical chairs actually worked. It's hard to find the right partner, and harder still to make things work with any partner. I would think it's nearly impossible to switch at the drop of a dime, flushing several years of commitment down the drain in order to try with someone else who's pretty good and is seeking a new partner. That's not going to ever happen obviously, i.e., KMT deciding she sees greener pastures. Canada is looking to build more competitive pairs teams, not to split up the team who came in 6th at 2018 Worlds, and who've had a decent showing on the GP this season.

Apparently, Skate Canada is hoping Bilodeau and his new partner might complement KMT/MM in working toward rebuilding Canada's competitive strength in the pairs discipline over the next several seasons leading up to the 2022 Olympics. I'm not seeing huge potential right now for Canada's other pairs teams currently competing in seniors. That could change for those other teams, of course. And there are probably some skilled juniors who will be coming up soon.


Meanwhile, on Charlie Bilodeau's Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bp-ZiOnFHyH/ :p
 
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Has Seguin found a new partner????? She was a fabulous singles skater. I wonder if she's considering pursuing a singles career?
 
@DFO Do you know if Pouliot/Simard are still together or is either injured? They are not registered for challenge and Pouliot is not registered for singles there either.
 
Brasseur and Bardei are listed as WD on the Challenge start list now. I hope they will be able to compete at nationals.
 
I recommend the autobiographical look at Meagan and Eric "Soulmates On Ice". It is only around $20.00 and a quick read. Still, it is interesting to learn more about their perspectives - especially for me on the atmosphere at the Sochi Olympics. They faced many hurdles to get where they wanted. Neither family was in a position to financially support an elite figure skater but somehow, they did, and Meagan and Eric both possess a lot of grit to have kept going. They both mention ending earlier partnerships which was very difficult, as well as coaching changes, but knowing they needed to change to progress. As we know, Meagan has a lot of knowledge about eating habits and caring for the entire athlete. I hope her talents and knowledge are used.
 
I recommend the autobiographical look at Meagan and Eric "Soulmates On Ice". It is only around $20.00 and a quick read. Still, it is interesting to learn more about their perspectives - especially for me on the atmosphere at the Sochi Olympics. They faced many hurdles to get where they wanted. Neither family was in a position to financially support an elite figure skater but somehow, they did, and Meagan and Eric both possess a lot of grit to have kept going. They both mention ending earlier partnerships which was very difficult, as well as coaching changes, but knowing they needed to change to progress. As we know, Meagan has a lot of knowledge about eating habits and caring for the entire athlete. I hope her talents and knowledge are used.

My copy just arrived in the post and I'm only a few pages in.

It's nice to have a current times skating book to read.
 
I think she had a baby earlier this year (?).

Any idea if Allison Eby is still skating? I seem to recall thinking she had potential in the brief period she skated with Trennt Michaud.
I do not think Allison is skating at the moment, I am not sure if she ever got over what Trennt did to her. She did partner with Matt den Boar briefly but that ended with an injury for Allison. It was not a good match, she may have just wanted to get back into pairs and that was an option.
It is really unfortunate how the girls often get the short end of the stick and the damage that is done to their mental health.
 
I know a lot of people will disagree, but KMT has mad potential to be really great. She reminds me of Annabelle Langlois (without the resting *itch face). They are built to be pair skaters and are really talented, but they never quite get/choose partners that could take them the whole way. I thought Marinaro would be an excellent upgrade from Dylan, and I absolutely do find they have better chemistry/programs/etc., but I admit now he's not the big step I was hoping for. I wish she'd find a really amazing partner that is better than her, so she would have someone to improve to, if that makes sense?

I doubt Charlie would have been a great match, that being said.

Marinaro was a big upgrade from Dylan!?? :eek: His jumps are not solid, he couldn't lift her for the first 2 years of their partnership. They have survived purely on her talent and having an amazing team of choreographers who are putting progs for them that hide his flaws and highlight their overall strengths. They are also benefitting from literally 50% of the top teams of the world having left this year.
Had MT/M stuck together and skated like they did at 2013 worlds I am sure they would have taken overtaken D/R in that Olympic cycle. They had started beating or tying them on PCS and that's always the start to overtake the couple above, particularly a couple from the same country.
 
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Unless MT/M upgraded their technical content, no way could they have beaten D&R with a quad throw and SBS lutzes. With virtually similar content, in what way could MT/M have been able to beat S&H, S&M, and T&M?

was winning two World championships really in MT/M's future?
 
Has Seguin found a new partner????? She was a fabulous singles skater. I wonder if she's considering pursuing a singles career?

As far as I know she's not really back on the ice in any capacity. Have to think this split did a number on her and she's carefully re-assessing her goals and passions.

If she doesn't repartner in the spring I wouldn't be sure she'd come back at all. Sure she could get to worlds in the current CAN ladies singles landscape but her only path to world medals is through pairs. I can't imagine coming 16th in the occasional worlds in singles would whet her appetite given where she's been.

If she does plan to come back I have to think Boudreau-Audet or Deschamps would snatch her up in a second. I know many don't give Deschamps a second look but I happen to think he's really talented. And body/line/personality wise they'd be a perfect match, at least in my head. My prediction is if she comes back it's with him.
 
Unless MT/M upgraded their technical content, no way could they have beaten D&R with a quad throw and SBS lutzes. With virtually similar content, in what way could MT/M have been able to beat S&H, S&M, and T&M?

was winning two World championships really in MT/M's future?
No I agree with you, D/R had 2 big weapons, the lutzes in particular, the quad sal was less consistent. But MT/M beat them in Sochi overall and in the free at worlds that same year, when they were clearly Canada's number 2, not an easy thing to achieve. I think they would have gone from strength to strength after that and could have created a solid PCS gap that could have countered some of the arsenal D/R had. Of course this is all speculation and not taking away from D/R's consistency and stickability.

Re Rock2' comment on the lifts. MT is the not the smallest girl, maybe the twist was an issue for her with Moscovich but in her new partnership, I have to say it is totally obvious the lifting problems are all his.
 
As far as I know she's not really back on the ice in any capacity. Have to think this split did a number on her and she's carefully re-assessing her goals and passions.

If she doesn't repartner in the spring I wouldn't be sure she'd come back at all. Sure she could get to worlds in the current CAN ladies singles landscape but her only path to world medals is through pairs. I can't imagine coming 16th in the occasional worlds in singles would whet her appetite given where she's been.

If she does plan to come back I have to think Boudreau-Audet or Deschamps would snatch her up in a second. I know many don't give Deschamps a second look but I happen to think he's really talented. And body/line/personality wise they'd be a perfect match, at least in my head. My prediction is if she comes back it's with him.
Deschamps has a new partner. He's skating with Kyueun Kim from South Korea.
 
* Standing by, waiting for people to come to the realization that any lift/twist issues for MT/M and any of her partners are as much or more her than the guy *
Now now I saw the light re:the throws in their first season (it was pointed out by commentators)where she just bent her knees and expected to be thrown across the ice.....no assisted jump. That is why they had to completely redo their technique when they moved to Gauthier's and the changes were as much on her as Michael. I only realized about the lift problems (they just seemed to be always unstable)when I/M were interviewed by Golden Skates and he asked her some question about moving in the lift re:her flexibility and she said NO....you have to hit the lift and not move at all or you will throw your partner off balance..AT KMT2's next competition David Pelletier pointed out Michael was having trouble keeping the lift steady because KMT was wagging her leg. If Michael wasn't so strong it would have come down. Their throws are now good and usually their sbs jumps are great (some probs.this yr but maybe her injury at worlds not completely healed).Their acting on the ice is greatly improved in the last 18 months.
 
If she does plan to come back I have to think Boudreau-Audet or Deschamps would snatch her up in a second. I know many don't give Deschamps a second look but I happen to think he's really talented. And body/line/personality wise they'd be a perfect match, at least in my head. My prediction is if she comes back it's with him.

I get that your insider's infos are not up to date... :shuffle::cold::sekret:
 
I do not think Allison is skating at the moment, I am not sure if she ever got over what Trennt did to her. She did partner with Matt den Boar briefly but that ended with an injury for Allison. It was not a good match, she may have just wanted to get back into pairs and that was an option.
It is really unfortunate how the girls often get the short end of the stick and the damage that is done to their mental health.
Wasn't it a disagreement over training location/who's coach would be the primary coach that they could not agree upon? I feel like both people lost a few months of their lives but no one's life should have been destroyed.
The male skaters are not going to flock to Cambridge, ON. She will need to relocate if she wishes to compete pairs.
 
Kirsten never had lift issues with Dylan.
Michael’s feet are often unsteady.
It’s him. Not her.
Not saying she is perfect every time, but I don’t think she has any “issues” per se.

Kirsten didn't do the full gamut of lifts with Dylan, which was glaring to me and as much an issue as actual physical lift issues. Dylan was strong, but they never did a traditional hand to hand - wasn't the comment that the Wirtzes couldn't teach it? Otherwise, Dylan was an exceptional base in lifts, no doubt. Michael is not a great lifter in comparison.

I really, strongly feel Kirsten & Dylan had hit their peak in 2014. Artistically, I felt their LP was a step backwards from 2013, imvho, even though they made out like bandits with it. I also don't know that Dylan would have improved much on jumps, as he was starting to miss.

Kirsten's improved as a pair skater big time with Michael because she's not carried-- literally and figuratively-- by her partner anymore. I still think they have potential, though I wish she had an even better partner.
 
What I find strange is that KMT has never done a throw lutz/flip. This is pretty much table stakes these days (unless you’re able to get max GOE, and then you can get by with sal and loop). She didn’t do them with Dylan and she hasn’t done them with Michael either.

I’d assumed initially maybe it was because the Wirtz’s didn’t know how to teach that either, but she’s been with the Gauthier/Marcotte school for 3+ seasons now and still no attempt at a harder throw. I can’t imagine she hasn’t tried them at least, but just curious as to why this has never showed up in competition. Obviously she’s had some set backs with the concussion and the ankle injury, but I’d hope this is something they’re aiming towards.
 
I do not think Allison is skating at the moment, I am not sure if she ever got over what Trennt did to her. She did partner with Matt den Boar briefly but that ended with an injury for Allison. It was not a good match, she may have just wanted to get back into pairs and that was an option.
It is really unfortunate how the girls often get the short end of the stick and the damage that is done to their mental health.
Even a brief partnership, depending on the expectations and long term goals set out at the beginning can cause long term irreparable damage. This could negatively affect future partnerships, where no partner would seem suitable. It's difficult for a new partner to come in and try and meet those expectations, often many don't.
It is not just the girls that get the short end of the stick, males also experience the same thing.
 
Kirsten didn't do the full gamut of lifts with Dylan, which was glaring to me and as much an issue as actual physical lift issues. Dylan was strong, but they never did a traditional hand to hand - wasn't the comment that the Wirtzes couldn't teach it? Otherwise, Dylan was an exceptional base in lifts, no doubt. Michael is not a great lifter in comparison.

I really, strongly feel Kirsten & Dylan had hit their peak in 2014. Artistically, I felt their LP was a step backwards from 2013, imvho, even though they made out like bandits with it. I also don't know that Dylan would have improved much on jumps, as he was starting to miss.

Kirsten's improved as a pair skater big time with Michael because she's not carried-- literally and figuratively-- by her partner anymore. I still think they have potential, though I wish she had an even better partner.
One of the important problems is a weak core which is limiting mostly in lifts and throws. Michael is obviously up to the challenge but it could be a drawback in tryouts re: the fear of injury.
 
What I find strange is that KMT has never done a throw lutz/flip. This is pretty much table stakes these days (unless you’re able to get max GOE, and then you can get by with sal and loop). She didn’t do them with Dylan and she hasn’t done them with Michael either.

I’d assumed initially maybe it was because the Wirtz’s didn’t know how to teach that either, but she’s been with the Gauthier/Marcotte school for 3+ seasons now and still no attempt at a harder throw. I can’t imagine she hasn’t tried them at least, but just curious as to why this has never showed up in competition. Obviously she’s had some set backs with the concussion and the ankle injury, but I’d hope this is something they’re aiming towards.

KMT skated singles before she switched to pairs. Did she have a lutz or flip then?
 
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