Grand Prix 2023-24 Season Potential Assignments

[SidelineSkater]

Well, that's presuming that ReedAmbru don't wind-up being seeded themselves, which I'm on the fence about the likelihood of happening.

I was referring the two teams as part of the 7-10 seeding group. I think you are saying R/A might bump to top 6 if one or more teams don’t compete on the GP.

 

[Karen-W]

I was referring the two teams as part of the 7-10 seeding group. I think you are saying R/A might bump to top 6 if one or more teams don’t compete on the GP.

Yes - the GP doc calls teams 1-6 "seeded" and teams 7-10 "invited", so I was saying that R/A might move into the top 6 if either GilPoir or ChoBat skip the GP this season.

 

[Matryeshka]

I'm in the minority but I'de be quite happy with that line-up for SA if it's close to that.

 

[Dobre]

Reed & Ambrulevicius had trouble with their U.S. VISA last year, didn't they? Though hopefully that's been resolved.

ETA: I penciled in Taschlerova & Taschler in there just because they would be a different team & they did train here for a year so why not? Wishful thinking probably. Reed & Ambrulevicius would be closer to home & didn't get to use that berth last year. (It seems more likely we'd have R&A than Demougeout & Le Mercier, Harris & Chan, and Lauriault & Le Gac all again).

 

[Karen-W]

Okay, so... Rather than giving my dance GP predictions (which I'm torn on, really), I'm going to lead with my men's prediction list!

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Gogolev	Chiu	Aymoz	Litvintsev	Chiu	Litvintsev
Levandi	Gogolev	Economides	Sadovsky	Vasiljevs	Orzel
Frangipani	Orzel	Siao Him Fa	Jin	Suntsev	M Selevko
Rizzo	Jin	Egadze	CHN TBD	Siao Him Fa	Aymoz
Miura	Kagiyama	Frangipani	Memola	Memola	Egadze
Tomono	Sato	Grassl	Tomono	Kataise	Rizzo
Tsuboi	Yamamoto	Gorodnitsky	Yamamoto	Miyake	Kagiyama
Shaidorov	J Cha	Miura	Yoshioka	Sato	Uno
S Lee	Grassl	Shimada	Shaidorov	Nordeback	JPN TBD
Malinin	Britschgi	Uno	J Cha	Britschgi	S Lee
Torgashev	Kapeikis	Vasiljevs	Ma	Malinin	Ma
USA TBD	Pulkinen	Naumov	Torgashev	Naumov	Pulkinen

 

[Rukia]

Okay, so... Rather than giving my dance GP predictions (which I'm torn on, really), I'm going to lead with my men's prediction list!

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Gogolev	Chiu	Aymoz	Litvintsev	Chiu	Litvintsev
Levandi	Gogolev	Economides	Sadovsky	Vasiljevs	Orzel
Frangipani	Orzel	Siao Him Fa	Jin	Suntsev	M Selevko
Rizzo	Jin	Egadze	CHN TBD	Siao Him Fa	Aymoz
Miura	Kagiyama	Frangipani	Memola	Memola	Egadze
Tomono	Sato	Grassl	Tomono	Kataise	Rizzo
Tsuboi	Yamamoto	Gorodnitsky	Yamamoto	Miyake	Kagiyama
Shaidorov	J Cha	Miura	Yoshioka	Sato	Uno
S Lee	Grassl	Shimada	Shaidorov	Nordeback	JPN TBD
Malinin	Britschgi	Uno	J Cha	Britschgi	S Lee
Torgashev	Kapeikis	Vasiljevs	Ma	Malinin	Ma
USA TBD	Pulkinen	Naumov	Torgashev	Naumov	Pulkinen

If this skam lineup is even remotely close I'd be truly living my best life

 

[Karen-W]

Next for me tonight is my Women's GP prediction list - part of why I'm sharing the singles disciplines first is because I think we have the most clarity on who is staying in, who is retiring and who is skipping the GP. I fully expect we're going to hear of at least 1 pairs team (KniFraz) and 1 dance team (GilPoir) skipping the GP.

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Hendrickx	Pinzarrone	Hendrickx	An	Pinzarrone	Schizas
An	Ruiter	Meite	CHN TBD	Ceder	Gubanova
Petrokina	Schizas	Schild	Petrokina	Jyrkinen	Schott
Chiba	CAN TBD	Serna	Gutmann	FIN TBD	Gutmann
Kihira	Gubanova	Schott	Kawabe	Higuchi	Chiba
Sumiyoshi	Kawabe	Higuchi	Mihara	Sumiyoshi	Sakamoto
Wi	Sakamoto	Mihara	Yoshida	Watanabe	JPN TBD
Kurakova	Watanabe	Yoshida	H Lee	Y Kim	C Kim
Repond	C Kim	Repond	You	H Lee	Wi
Andrews	Y Kim	Andrews	Glenn	Kurakova	You
Levito	Thorngren	Shin	Shin	Levito	Glenn
USA TBD	Ziegler	Tennell	Thorngren	Ziegler	Tennell

 

[PRlady]

I want Ziegler and a Korean lady in France so hope you’re wrong there. France is terrific for me in terms of men and dance homies; women not so much.

 

[Evgeniafan]

Okay, so... Rather than giving my dance GP predictions (which I'm torn on, really), I'm going to lead with my men's prediction list!

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Gogolev	Chiu	Aymoz	Litvintsev	Chiu	Litvintsev
Levandi	Gogolev	Economides	Sadovsky	Vasiljevs	Orzel
Frangipani	Orzel	Siao Him Fa	Jin	Suntsev	M Selevko
Rizzo	Jin	Egadze	CHN TBD	Siao Him Fa	Aymoz
Miura	Kagiyama	Frangipani	Memola	Memola	Egadze
Tomono	Sato	Grassl	Tomono	Kataise	Rizzo
Tsuboi	Yamamoto	Gorodnitsky	Yamamoto	Miyake	Kagiyama
Shaidorov	J Cha	Miura	Yoshioka	Sato	Uno
S Lee	Grassl	Shimada	Shaidorov	Nordeback	JPN TBD
Malinin	Britschgi	Uno	J Cha	Britschgi	S Lee
Torgashev	Kapeikis	Vasiljevs	Ma	Malinin	Ma
USA TBD	Pulkinen	Naumov	Torgashev	Naumov	Pulkinen

I can't emotionally handle Aymoz and Vasiljevs being at the same competition.

 

[Frau Muller]

Next for me tonight is my Women's GP prediction list - part of why I'm sharing the singles disciplines first is because I think we have the most clarity on who is staying in, who is retiring and who is skipping the GP. I fully expect we're going to hear of at least 1 pairs team (KniFraz) and 1 dance team (GilPoir) skipping the GP.

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Hendrickx	Pinzarrone	Hendrickx	An	Pinzarrone	Schizas
An	Ruiter	Meite	CHN TBD	Ceder	Gubanova
Petrokina	Schizas	Schild	Petrokina	Jyrkinen	Schott
Chiba	CAN TBD	Serna	Gutmann	FIN TBD	Gutmann
Kihira	Gubanova	Schott	Kawabe	Higuchi	Chiba
Sumiyoshi	Kawabe	Higuchi	Mihara	Sumiyoshi	Sakamoto
Wi	Sakamoto	Mihara	Yoshida	Watanabe	JPN TBD
Kurakova	Watanabe	Yoshida	H Lee	Y Kim	C Kim
Repond	C Kim	Repond	You	H Lee	Wi
Andrews	Y Kim	Andrews	Glenn	Kurakova	You
Levito	Thorngren	Shin	Shin	Levito	Glenn
USA TBD	Ziegler	Tennell	Thorngren	Ziegler	Tennell

Had to laugh at myself…when I forgot about the country of Petrokina (Est) and assumed Petrosian (R). I wondered what crazy news I had missed!
Good predictions, Karen.

 

[SidelineSkater]

Ok. Here's my fake lineup for the Men. I should point out it's not my fantasy/hopeful lineups, just the random-ish roster filling. It was tricky assigning the Japanese men, with 3 slots per GP. Again, I used the 'travel/training' logic for some of the GP's, but not all. As the 4-6 seed, I put Amoyz in SA, because he trains here and usually is slow to start. I put Cha in Canada (training) and in Finland over China (travel), because he will request/pick after Uno and before Ilia.

Skate America	Skate Canada	GP France	GP China	GP Finland	NHK Trophy
Malinin	Cha	Uno	Malinin	Cha	Uno
Amoyz	Tomono	Amoyz	Britschgi	Tomono	Britschgi
Shaidorov	Rizzo	Fa	Grassl	Litvintsev	Vasiljevs
Vasiljevs	Grassl	Litvintsev	Shairdorov	Rizzo	Fa
Yamamoto	Pulkinen	Sato	Miura	Egadze	Lee
Lee	Sato	Egadze	Yamamota	Miura	Pulkinen
Memola	Kagiyama	Selevko	Ma	Levandi	Kagiyama
Shimada	Frangipani	Yoshioka	Kataise	Nordeback	Sadovsky
Tsuboi	Jin	Rossi	Naumov	Miyake	Kapeikis
Gorodnitsky	Orzel	Yampolsky	Jin	Frangipani	Memola
Torgashev	Gogolev	Nordebeck	Chen	Shmuratko	Selevko
TBD	Chiu	Economides	TBD	Suntsev	TBD

 

[SidelineSkater]

Next up - it's ladies night! Sakamoto seems to get the SA assignment a lot recently - at least 19, 21, 22. Will she be back? I'm putting her in again, although Levito would have an easier time with Lee/Hendrickx. Once again, the Japanese full slate of 18 slots is tough to juggle everyone in - I went ahead and filled in the NHK TBD's just for fun.

Skate America	Skate Canada	GP France	GP China	GP Finland	NHK Trophy
Sakamoto	Lee	Hendrickx	Lee	Hendrickx	Sakamoto
Levito	Mihara	C Kim	Levito	Mihara	C Kim
Schott	Repond	Petrokina	Watanabe	Pinzarrone	Glenn
Pinzarrone	Glenn	Watanabe	Petrokina	Schott	Repond
Highuchi	Thorngren	Chiba	Kawabe	Gubanova	Schizas
Y Kim	Kawabe	You	Y Kim	Thorngren	Shin
Gutmann	Gubanova	Gutman	Shin	Chiba	You
Kurakova	Joos	Tennell	Yoshida	Kihira	Kurakova
Sumiyoshi	Kihira	Sumiyoshi	Andrews	Tennell	Wi
Wi	Schizas	Schild	Ji	Jyrkinen	Ziegler
Andrews	Ruiter	Serna	An	Ceder	Yoshida
Ziegler	TBD	Meite	TBD	TBD	Matsuike

 

[SidelineSkater]

Pairs - my brain is tired from doing these - so I likely skipped over someone. Not sure if the new Fin team will get the minimums, but I can see them holding at least one host spot just in case. Also, I don't know where Metelkina/Beruvala and Hase/Volodin fit in. I think they get one spot due returning split couples/comeback skater rules...but I dunno?

Skate America	Skate Canada	GP France	GP China	GP Finland	NHK Trophy
Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps	Miura/Kihara	Conti/Macii	Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps	Conti/Macii	Miura/Kihara
Chan/Howe	Pereira/Michaud	Pavlova/Sviatchenko	Pavlova/Sviatchenko	Pereira/Michaud	Chan/Howe
Kam/O'Shea	Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore	Hocke/Kunkel	Kam/O'Shea	McIntosh/Mimar	Hocke/Kunkel
Osipova/Epstein	Ghilardi/Ambrosini	McIntosh/Mimar	Danilova/Tsiba	Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore	Ghilardi/Ambrosini
Caldara/Maglio	Plaza/Fernandez	Kovalev/Kovalev	Valesi/Piazza	Laurin/Ethier	Roscher/Schuster
Beccari/Guarise	Kovalev/Kovalev	Roscher/Schuster	Plazas/Fernandez	Osipova/Epstein	Caldara/Maglio
Hase/Volodin	Panetta/Thrasher	Vouillamoz/Ginaux	Zhang/Yang	Metelkina/Bervuala	Danilova/Tsiba
TBD	Laurin/Ethier	Piegad/Streaklin	Peng/Wang	TBD - Vaananen/Clerici	Smirnova/Siianytsia

 

[Karen-W]

@SidelineSkater - Hase/Volodin and Metelkina/Berulava should qualify for at least 1 GP assignment. Vaananen/Clerici (and any other hosts teams) don't need to have the total score min to be assigned, so I expect they will get a spot. Less likely to be assigned are Alteryd/Virtanen - her last competition for Canada was Warsaw Cup 2022, and I can't really see the Finnish fed letting them make their competitive debut at GP Espoo.

 

[Frau Muller]

Wait - Isn’t Starr Andrews currently undergoing treatment for heart-related illness (tachycardia)? I love her a lot but am wondering why folks are predicting her for 2023 Skate America, other than, in the past, she has been slotted into SkAm whenever possible. She’s still “visiting other treatment plans,” as per her Instagram (click on photo of her in the hospital bed):

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[SidelineSkater]

Wait - Isn’t Starr Andrews currently undergoing treatment for heart-related illness (tachycardia)? I love her a lot but am wondering why folks are predicting her for 2023 Skate America, other than, in the past, she has been slotted into SkAm whenever possible. She’s still “visiting other treatment plans,” as per her Instagram (click on photo of her in the hospital bed):

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Perhaps because they are merely predictions and skaters can always withdraw - better to have the assignments given and W/D than not have any and need them.

 

[Karen-W]

Wait - Isn’t Starr Andrews currently undergoing treatment for heart-related illness (tachycardia)? I love her a lot but am wondering why folks are predicting her for 2023 Skate America, other than, in the past, she has been slotted into SkAm whenever possible. She’s still “visiting other treatment plans,” as per her Instagram (click on photo of her in the hospital bed):

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Well, my rationale is that the USFS loves her and would want to feature her at SkAm, and none of us really know what the medical prognosis or other treatment options are.

 

[Karen-W]

Okay, here are my pairs predictions - Seems fairly obvious that Knierim/Frazier will not be doing the GP this season.

Skate America	Skate Canada	Grand Prix de France	Cup of China	Grand Prix Espoo	NHK Trophy
Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore	Laurin/Ethier	McIntosh/Mimar	Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps	McIntosh/Mimar	Golubeva/Giotopoulos Moore
Roscher/Schuster	Pereira/Michaud	Kovalev/Kovalev	Peng/Wang	Vaananen/Clerici	Laurin/Ethier
Ghilardi/Ambrosini	Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps	Piegad/Strekalin	Zhang/Yang	Kovalev/Kovalev	Pereira/Michaud
Miura/Kihara	Hocke/Kunkel	Vouillamoz/Giniaux	Metelkina/Berulava	Vaipan-Law/Digby	Ghilardi/Ambrosini
Gamez/Korovin	Caldara/Maglio	Hase/Volodin	Hocke/Kunkel	Pavlova/Sviatchenko	Valesi/Piazza
Chan/Howe	Danilova/Tsiba	Beccari/Guarise	Pavlova/Sviatchenko	Conti/Macii	Miura/Kihara
Kam/O'Shea	Mokhova/Mokhov	Conti/Macii	Osipova/Epstein	Chan/Howe	Danilova/Tsiba
USA TBD	Plazas/Fernandez	Smirnova/Siianytsia	Kam/O'Shea	Smirnova/Siianytsia	Plazas/Fernandez

 

[Frau Muller]

Perhaps because they are merely predictions and skaters can always withdraw - better to have the assignments given and W/D than not have any and need them.

@SidelineSkater and @Karen-W , I was just thinking about semi-realistic predictions, given current health, not that we wouldn’t want it for Starr or another fave, Gracie.

 

[Karen-W]

@SidelineSkater and @Karen-W , I was just thinking about semi-realistic predictions, given current health, not that we wouldn’t want it for Starr or another fave, Gracie.

Pretty sure Gracie is done, even if nothing official has been announced yet.

 

[Frau Muller]

Pretty sure Gracie is done, even if nothing official has been announced yet.

Right. Starr made US senior podium last season - fourth place! Under normal circumstances, she should’ve been in SOI. Hope that her treatment improves. She came back swinging after her last health scare.

 

[SHARPIE]

Wasnt @SHARPIE able to get the list from a earlier than all other forums a few years back?

Time to digg out the contact sheet, Sharpie

It’s been many years since I had that . Sadly deceased.

 

[Karen-W]

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I didn't see that decision coming, since they are eligible for GP assignments. I wonder if they'll change their minds if they get a GP assignment on the initial go-round.

Bringing this over from the OES News thread... Metelkina/Berulava will probably wind up on the JGP to start.

 

[RoseRed]

Bringing this over from the OES News thread....

This is the relevant passage (using Google Translate):

We will start the season, most likely, at the junior level. The International Skating Union is unlikely to give us the adult stages of the Grand Prix, because the joint rating is not enough. So let's go to the junior Grand Prix, then the Challengers, where we will gain this rating. And then we will combine the junior level with the master. Together, I hope we will earn the right to qualify for the main adult tournaments of the season.

To me, that sounds like they'd probably prefer senior if they do get a GP, but we'll see.

 

[airgelaal]

In my opinion, they will get more points in the rating from the jgp. There is also a chance to get to the final.

 

[kwanfan1818]

That is almost always the case with juniors moving up. At some point, they have to bite the bullet, whether passively by aging out, or actively while still age-eligible. While there have been exceptions, like Tutberidze's Women, and Papadakis/Cizeron, who jumped from 13th to 1st in their first two senior seasons, it usually takes a.while to establish a reputation as seniors, even with a push from a major Fed and their network of judges.

 

[nylynnr]

Re: Skate America predictions -- do we assume Knierim/Frazier have retired?

 

[Karen-W]

In my opinion, they will get more points in the rating from the jgp. There is also a chance to get to the final.

They'll certainly get more points (and prize money) and I'm hard-pressed to imagine them not making the JGPF, quite likely winning. We'll have to see how much progress Sierova/Khobta, Williams/Lewer, Flores/Wang and Kemp/Elizarov have made, plus what Zheng/Deng can do, but, on paper at least, Metelkina/Berulava should be ahead of those teams.

 

[Karen-W]

Re: Skate America predictions -- do we assume Knierim/Frazier have retired?

Given that she's listed as being a full-time coach in Oakton now and Brandon has a year left at UC-Irvine to earn his degree, it seems like a safe bet that they won't be on the GP this season.

 

[Coco]

Apparently Gracie's been in a boot most of the summer. So if she did have plans to continue, she will be way behind.

I'm pretty gutted for Starr. I wish there was a skating with the stars type of show she could do adagio pairs in and be in the public eye, as she's be great at that.

And y'all are killing me with these fake lineups. I keep checking this thread and thinking they are real. #longestoffseason