2024 Four Continents/Junior Worlds/Worlds US Team Speculation
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Frau Muller
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A top jerk. His own mother won the very first 4CCs. I still care about Ilia…but he’s Jerk of the Century.
Evgeniafan
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But he is young, 4CC next year might be better. Its because US Nationals are too late in January. It should be the 2nd week of January.
Karen-W
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No, he isn't a jerk. He is doing what is best for his career. Winning 4CCs won't have the same impact on him as it did for his mother. We'll have to wait and see if he decides to compete in it next season or not.
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maybe we should stop second-guessing what I'm sure is a very delicate game of training, keeping injury free, and peaking at the right time and leave that up to the skaters and their teams
Wth? You do know he needs the money for school and costumes and stuff? His sister is skating too, you really think his parents can afford to financially support both of them? He is literally WORKING for his money and you're here insulting him? He is doing every show that is aviable, for a reason.
How old are you to talk like that, especially about a 19 yo? What's wrong with you?
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what is your issue attacking a 19 yo for doing shows. everyone always complains ab how theres not artistry in skating and so when a top jumping skater wants to develop his artistry then you attack him as being a jerk. WTH is wrong with you
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4CC is very close to nationals and even if wasn’t, Ilia or anyone else doesn’t need to go. Not going does not make them a jerk. If he shows up to his next competition, untrained and injured because of him doing the shows, then you might have a reason to complain or wish he didn’t do that but ultimately, it’s his choice to do this or at least his camps. I am pretty sure whoever got his spot at 4CC is happy to go.
Didn’t you post the same thing last year? It’s still the same nonsense in 2024.
I’m sure his mom is just fine with his Post-Nationals plans.
Frau Muller
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Well, at least they felt fine about both having won the sr GP finals, in this photo:
Ilia Malinin published a photo with his mom and medals of the Grand Prix final - Figure Skating
US figure skater Ilya Malinin, the 2023 World Championships bronze medalist and 2022 Junior World Champion, shared a photo on social media showing him with his mother and coach Tatiana […]
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For a repeat of two generations winning Four Cs, it appears that money takes the cake
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And we have our first completed discipline at Nationals!
Junior Pairs -
Selection Pool -
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Flores/Wang, Zheng/Deng, Williams/Lewer, Carpenter/Maravilla and Park/Griffin - realistically, I don't think Smith/McPike can earn enough points at WYOG to overtake CarMar.
Top 3 age-eligible teams from Seniors (none) and Junior Nats - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer & Zheng/Deng
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Williams/Lewer
Top 24 on Jr WS - Flores/Wang
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer and Zheng/Deng (pending TES mins); alternates - Park/Griffin (pending TES mins) and Smith/McPike (pending TES mins); it's a real shame CarMar aren't being sent to Bavarian Open along with ZhengDeng and ParkGrif.
Junior Pairs -
| Skater | Nationals | GPF/JGPF | JGP Highest | JGP Average | Sr/Jr B Highest | Sr/Jr B Average | Total | Events |
| Flores/Wang | 702.84 | 436.17 | 193.15 | 188.5875 | 0 | 0 | 1520.75 | JGP Linz, JGP Istanbul, JGPF |
| Zheng/Deng | 518.24 | 0 | 133.65 | 133.65 | 0 | 0 | 785.54 | JGP Istanbul |
| Williams/Lewer | 604.96 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 604.96 | |
| Carpenter/Maravilla | 505.56 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 505.56 | JNIPC* |
| Park/Griffin | 474.84 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 474.84 | |
| Fletcher/Felberbaum | 438.32 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 438.32 | JNIPC* |
| Smith/McPike | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | WYOG |
Selection Pool -
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Flores/Wang, Zheng/Deng, Williams/Lewer, Carpenter/Maravilla and Park/Griffin - realistically, I don't think Smith/McPike can earn enough points at WYOG to overtake CarMar.
Top 3 age-eligible teams from Seniors (none) and Junior Nats - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer & Zheng/Deng
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Williams/Lewer
Top 24 on Jr WS - Flores/Wang
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - Flores/Wang, Williams/Lewer and Zheng/Deng (pending TES mins); alternates - Park/Griffin (pending TES mins) and Smith/McPike (pending TES mins); it's a real shame CarMar aren't being sent to Bavarian Open along with ZhengDeng and ParkGrif.
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LOL! You are hilarious!!! Sure glad his mother, winner of 4CCs, is helping guide his career and not you.For a repeat of two generations winning Four Cs, it appears that money takes the cake
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And now Jr Ice Dance is complete!
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Bland/Sperry
Top 3 age-eligible teams from Junior & Senior Nats - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, and Brown/Brown
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Neset/Markelov, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi
Top 24 on Jr WS - Neset/Markelov, Peal/Peal, Brown/Brown, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi, Pedersen/Chen
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Hauer/Starr; Alternates - Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Ilin/Cain* (I would be very surprised if they aren't added to the Selection Pool by the International Committee).
| Skater | Nationals | GPF/JGPF | JGP Highest | JGP Average | Sr/Jr B Highest | Sr/Jr B Average | Total | Events |
| Neset/Markelov | 736.44 | 531.27 | 210.5875 | 209.9875 | 120.9525 | 120.9525 | 1930.19 | LPIDI, JGP Bangkok, JGP Osaka |
| Pedersen/Chen | 635.88 | 433.71 | 182.9625 | 182.90625 | 0 | 0 | 1435.46 | JGP Linz, JGP Istanbul, JGPF |
| Peal/Peal | 608.4 | 0 | 194.7875 | 186.6625 | 114.1575 | 114.1575 | 1218.17 | LPIDI, JGP Linz, JGP Yerevan |
| Mullen/Mullen | 598.84 | 0 | 180.225 | 174.675 | 110.145 | 110.145 | 1174.03 | LPIDI, JGP Linz, JGP Osaka |
| Bland/Sperry | 535.4 | 0 | 157.7125 | 157.7125 | 92.46 | 92.46 | 1035.75 | LPIDI, JGP Gdansk |
| Cui/Eckert | 518.88 | 0 | 169.0275 | 169.0275 | 0 | 0 | 856.94 | JGP Gdansk |
| Hauer/Starr | 604 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 604.00 | |
| Epps/Gilman | 498.88 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 498.88 | |
| Renzi/Lissauer | 481.36 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 481.36 | |
| Ilin/Cain | 0 | 0 | 168.5125 | 163.25625 | 0 | 0 | 331.77 | JGP Istanbul, JGP Budapest, WYOG |
| Carhart/Horovyi | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 107.9475 | 107.9475 | 215.90 | LPIDI |
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Bland/Sperry
Top 3 age-eligible teams from Junior & Senior Nats - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, and Brown/Brown
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Neset/Markelov, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi
Top 24 on Jr WS - Neset/Markelov, Peal/Peal, Brown/Brown, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi, Pedersen/Chen
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Hauer/Starr; Alternates - Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Ilin/Cain* (I would be very surprised if they aren't added to the Selection Pool by the International Committee).
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I agree. They have skipped teams before in favor of those with stronger international results. Why else would Hauer/Starr be sent to a jr B?
Karen-W
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There is that, plus the fact that Hauer/Starr would easily knocked Bland/Sperry off the Top 5 Calculated Data list had they not been injured this fall - and they probably would have qualified for the JGPF (and knocked PedChen from it since both teams were initially assigned to JGP Istanbul).
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If you're going to attack anyone over this, you should be aiming at USFS for scheduling Nationals so late.
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Hauer/Starr won the ice dance final, so I'm sure the expectation was that they'd be going to junior worlds and Egna was meant to be a warm up and a way to build back their international reputation after missing the JGP.
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The timing of US Nationals wouldn't have made a difference. The scheduling of Art on Ice is why Malinin is not competing at Four Continents.
Frau Muller
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…or the ISU-Ari Zakarian “business” for scheduling Art on Ice and the cheesy awards at the time of its own Four Continents competition.
Agreed! While I think that I can see all three of these pairs growing competitively WITH TIME, EFFORT, and PATIENCE, I gravitated most towards Carpenter & Maravilla for whatever reason. I'd grant that Zheng & Deng have the speed and ice coverage.
Shout out to Cooke & Kennedy, who from I can tell by their reactions, weren't expecting to medal here at all. I think they've aged out of JGP consideration, but I hope they revv up for the upcoming summer comps to perhaps land them some minor internationals next Fall.
Your thoughts...
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I can't see Cooke/Kennedy getting even any minor senior Bs unless they massively upgrade their tech content. They need a 3tw and at least one triple throw. There are too many current senior teams, plus Flores/Wang and Williams/Lewer who both might move up, who have far stronger tech to warrant any international assignments for CooKen.
I'll watch the replay again cuz I thought they were trying sbs 2Axels plus tried a sbs triple and triple throw.
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Yes, but only the SBS 2a in the SP was clean. They had neg GOE on the SBS 3T and 2A in the FS and she fell on the throw 3s in the FS. And no 3tw. That's not enough for them to be considered for senior Bs when we have teams like McBeath/Parkman and Efimova/Mitrofanov who will be eligible next season, plus whichever of our teams don't wind up with 2 GPs (Martins/Bedard, the Mokhovs, etc).
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Thank you for the chart. I don’t understand why Hauer/Starr and Epps/Gilman don’t seem to have any assignments. Can someone please explain?And now Jr Ice Dance is complete!
Skater Nationals GPF/JGPF JGP Highest JGP Average Sr/Jr B Highest Sr/Jr B Average Total Events Neset/Markelov LPIDI, JGP Bangkok, JGP Osaka Pedersen/Chen JGP Linz, JGP Istanbul, JGPF Peal/Peal LPIDI, JGP Linz, JGP Yerevan Mullen/Mullen LPIDI, JGP Linz, JGP Osaka Bland/Sperry LPIDI, JGP Gdansk Cui/Eckert JGP Gdansk Hauer/Starr Epps/Gilman Renzi/Lissauer Ilin/Cain JGP Istanbul, JGP Budapest, WYOG Carhart/Horovyi LPIDI
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Bland/Sperry
Top 3 age-eligible teams from Junior & Senior Nats - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Peal/Peal, and Brown/Brown
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Neset/Markelov, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi
Top 24 on Jr WS - Neset/Markelov, Peal/Peal, Brown/Brown, Hauer/Starr, Carhart/Horovyi, Pedersen/Chen
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - Neset/Markelov, Pedersen/Chen, Hauer/Starr; Alternates - Peal/Peal, Mullen/Mullen, Ilin/Cain* (I would be very surprised if they aren't added to the Selection Pool by the International Committee).
Hauer/Starr had JGP assignments, but had to withdraw due to injury. Epps/Gilman had a very slow start to their season and finished below the teams who received assignments.
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Hauer/Starr were injured during the late summer/early fall and had to WD from both of their JGPs. Epps/Gilman weren't skating well in the summer compared to the rest of the very deep junior field and didn't wind up with any JGPs. Ilin/Cain, Cui/Eckert and Bland/Sperry were lucky that both Hauer/Starr and Carhart/Horovyi were injured and WD from their JGPs otherwise they would have been left out too.
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Whew... The Women, both Jr and Sr, are done! Selection Pool updates incoming!
First - Juniors...
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Levito*, Lin-Gracey, Seo, Thorngren*, Everhardt, J Lee, Kalin
* - I doubt either Levito or Thorngren want to be considered for JWC so I think the Int'l Committee will take the next two
Top 3 age-eligible skaters from Junior & Senior Nats - Higase-Chen, Park, Nemirovsky**, J Lee, Levito, Everhardt, Seo
** - does not have JWC TES mins
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Seo
Top 24 on current Jr WR - Lin-Gracey, Zhang
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - J Lee & Seo, alternates - Lin-Gracey, Everhardt, Zhang
First - Juniors...
| Skater | Nationals | GPF/JGPF | GP Highest | GP Average | JGP Highest | JGP Average | CS Highest | CS Average | Sr/Jr B Highest | Sr/Jr B Average | Prev Season | Total | Events |
| Levito | 802.72 | 575.58 | 260.1875 | 257.10625 | 0 | 0 | 198.79 | 198.79 | 0 | 0 | 135 | 2428.17 | CS Nebelhorn, SkAm, GPdF, GPF |
| Lin-Gracey | 692.44 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 223.95 | 222.04375 | 177.5 | 177.5 | 121.935 | 121.935 | 0 | 1737.30 | Cranberry, JGP Istanbul, JGP Yerevan, CS Warsaw |
| Seo | 750.24 | 0 | 204.7125 | 204.7125 | 0 | 0 | 171.94 | 171.94 | 111.3525 | 111.3525 | 0 | 1726.25 | Cranberry, CS Budapest, SkAm |
| Thorngren | 723.92 | 0 | 248.4125 | 242.65625 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 149.37 | 149.37 | 0 | 1513.73 | Cranberry, SCI, NHK |
| Everhardt | 773.48 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 210.8625 | 210.8625 | 0 | 0 | 120.8325 | 120.8325 | 0 | 1436.87 | Cranberry, JGP Gdansk |
| J Lee | 816.52 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 189.25 | 189.25 | 0 | 0 | 117.5325 | 117.5325 | 0 | 1430.09 | Cranberry, JGP Linz |
| Kalin | 711.24 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 199.9125 | 199.9125 | 0 | 0 | 135.06 | 135.06 | 0 | 1381.19 | JGP Osaka, KCI |
| Chao | 656.36 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 205.05 | 205.05 | 0 | 0 | 133.62 | 133.62 | 0 | 1333.70 | JGP Bangkok, KCI |
| Ziegler | 0 | 0 | 250.625 | 250.625 | 0 | 0 | 173.6 | 165.495 | 137.8425 | 137.8425 | 0 | 1116.03 | Cranberry, CS Lombardia, CS Finlandia, NHK |
| Higase-Chen | 713.68 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 122.0175 | 122.0175 | 0 | 957.72 | Cranberry |
| C Park | 689.64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 127.68 | 124.35375 | 0 | 941.67 | KCI, Tayside |
| Shen | 643.48 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 122.64 | 122.64 | 0 | 888.76 | Cranberry |
| Johnson | 651.44 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 112.6125 | 112.6125 | 0 | 876.67 | Cranberry |
| E Cui | 605.96 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 113.1375 | 113.1375 | 0 | 832.24 | Cranberry |
| T Kim | 600.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 111.495 | 111.495 | 0 | 823.19 | KCI |
| Jurka | 568.92 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 105.285 | 105.285 | 0 | 779.49 | Cranberry |
| Nemirovsky | 657.52 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 657.52 | |
| von Felten | 602.28 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 602.28 | |
| Bonillo | 550.08 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 550.08 | |
| Wilson | 523.56 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 523.56 | |
| Platonova | 479.8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 479.80 | |
| Clarke | 474.76 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 474.76 | |
| S Zhang | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 218.975 | 216.14375 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 435.12 | JGP Budapest, JGP Yerevan, WYOG |
| Herrera | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 117.645 | 117.645 | 0 | 235.29 | KCI |
| Barghout | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 111.1875 | 111.1875 | 0 | 222.38 | Cranberry |
| E Kim | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 97.665 | 97.665 | 0 | 195.33 | KCI |
| Gibson | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 96.99 | 96.99 | 0 | 193.98 | KCI |
| Baram | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 95.8875 | 95.8875 | 0 | 191.78 | KCI |
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Levito*, Lin-Gracey, Seo, Thorngren*, Everhardt, J Lee, Kalin
* - I doubt either Levito or Thorngren want to be considered for JWC so I think the Int'l Committee will take the next two
Top 3 age-eligible skaters from Junior & Senior Nats - Higase-Chen, Park, Nemirovsky**, J Lee, Levito, Everhardt, Seo
** - does not have JWC TES mins
Top 10 from 2023 Jr Worlds - Seo
Top 24 on current Jr WR - Lin-Gracey, Zhang
Jr Worlds Team Prediction - J Lee & Seo, alternates - Lin-Gracey, Everhardt, Zhang
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AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
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trying to understand this. How come no Amber
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And Senior Women -
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Levito, Andrews, Seo, Shin, Glenn
Top 5 from Senior Nats - Glenn, J Lee*, Levito, Everhardt**, Seo
* = age-ineligible; ** = lacks SP TES min
Top 10 from 2023 Worlds - Levito
2022 Olympian*** - Liu, Chen, Bell
Top 24 on current season WR - Levito, Thorngren, Glenn, Lin-Gracey, Ziegler
Worlds Team Prediction - Glenn & Levito, alternates - Ziegler, Thorngren, Seo
| Skater | Nationals | GPF | GP Highest | GP Average | CS Highest | CS Average | Sr B Highest | Sr B Average | Prev Season | Total | Events |
| Levito | 802.72 | 575.58 | 260.1875 | 257.10625 | 198.79 | 198.79 | 0 | 0 | 135 | 2428.17 | CS Nebelhorn, SkAm, GPdF, GPF |
| Andrews | 741.96 | 0 | 218.525 | 205.775 | 165.55 | 165.55 | 125.2125 | 125.2125 | 0 | 1747.79 | KCI, SCI, GP Espoo, CS Golden Spin |
| Seo | 750.24 | 0 | 204.7125 | 204.7125 | 171.94 | 171.94 | 111.3525 | 111.3525 | 0 | 1726.25 | Cranberry, CS Budapest, SkAm |
| Shin | 702.44 | 0 | 221.425 | 208.7375 | 169.04 | 169.04 | 128.5875 | 128.5875 | 0 | 1727.86 | CS ACI, KCI, SCI, CoC |
| Glenn | 841.84 | 0 | 237.0375 | 234.3875 | 177.51 | 177.51 | 0 | 0 | 30 | 1698.29 | SkAm, GP Espoo, CS Golden Spin |
| Thorngren | 723.92 | 0 | 248.4125 | 242.65625 | 0 | 0 | 149.37 | 149.37 | 0 | 1513.73 | Cranberry, SCI, NHK |
| Lin-Gracey | 692.44 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 177.5 | 177.5 | 121.935 | 121.935 | 0 | 1291.31 | Cranberry, CS Warsaw |
| Hilmer | 659.56 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 160.13 | 160.13 | 121.05 | 121.05 | 0 | 1221.92 | Cranberry, CS Nebelhorn |
| Ziegler | 0 | 0 | 250.625 | 250.625 | 173.6 | 165.495 | 137.8425 | 137.8425 | 0 | 1116.03 | Cranberry, CS Lombardia, CS Finlandia, NHK |
| Everhardt | 773.48 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 120.8325 | 120.8325 | 0 | 1015.15 | Cranberry |
| Warne-Jacobsen | 644.92 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 96.6525 | 96.6525 | 0 | 838.23 | Cranberry |
| Herrera | 583.64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 117.645 | 117.645 | 0 | 818.93 | KCI |
| Pierce | 575.4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 93.9525 | 93.9525 | 0 | 763.31 | Cranberry |
| Shen | 643.48 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 643.48 | |
| M Lee | 627.36 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 627.36 | |
| Gewalt | 619.36 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 619.36 | |
| Evans | 611.2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 611.20 | |
| Wang | 569.32 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 569.32 |
Top 5 from the Calculation Table = Levito, Andrews, Seo, Shin, Glenn
Top 5 from Senior Nats - Glenn, J Lee*, Levito, Everhardt**, Seo
* = age-ineligible; ** = lacks SP TES min
Top 10 from 2023 Worlds - Levito
2022 Olympian*** - Liu, Chen, Bell
Top 24 on current season WR - Levito, Thorngren, Glenn, Lin-Gracey, Ziegler
Worlds Team Prediction - Glenn & Levito, alternates - Ziegler, Thorngren, Seo
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