UPDATED: OMFG . . . Adam Rippon, Tonya Harding and Mirai Nagasu are on the DWTS' all-athlete cast

[Simone411]

disson skating special a few years back. Gretchen Wilson was the guest singer.

Yes, and for those that don't remember, it was in 2006, Gretchen Wilson All Jacked Up - Country On Ice

 

[Japanfan]

What skating shows? Tonya is a 47 year old, out of shape (for a normal 47 year old woman, no ..... for a pro skater, yes she is), still disliked skater who can land a couple of double jumps.

Fact: she is out of shape for a pro figure skater.

Bold mine.

Tonya is not a pro figure skater, never was. She was banned and shunned from the industry, remember?

Although perhaps she has and does enjoy skating on public ice - but from everything I have seen/read about Tonya, her life as a figure skater was left behind long ago. She had little choice in the matter.

 

[Bookslut]

Other than you claiming that compared to a “normal” 47 yo women Tonya is out of shape? You can call her a liar, faker, whatever you feel like she is but when you make a generalization like that at least provide the facts to back it up.

Plus saying “compared to a pro skater” isn’t a good comparison when Tonya never had that opportunity, regardless of her own fault when it comes to that.

No, I think he said she is not out of shape for a normal 47 y.o. Woman but she is out of shape for a figure skater!

 

[just tuned in]

She is out of shape for a "normal" 47 y.o., also. "Normal" 47 y.o.s with that body are out of shape.

 

[alchemy void]

Yes, and for those that don't remember, it was in 2006, Gretchen Wilson All Jacked Up - Country On Ice

Thanks. I wasn't watching much skating in the mid 2000s, and I've never really cared for shows, so not surprised I've never heard of this one.

 

[quartz]

Thanks. I wasn't watching much skating in the mid 2000s, and I've never really cared for shows, so not surprised I've never heard of this one.

I will never willingly watch a country skating show - l’ll take 12 hours straight of Phantom, Coldplay, Buble, Ed Sheeran, Gershwin and lalalalaland, before I’d watch anything country.

 

[Wyliefan]

Irina skated to Redneck Woman!? When?

Please tell me she was eating a hamburger while doing it!

 

[barbarafan]

Your tone seems very pointed right now.

so...I did not watch her performance but she did a talking piece in the car which I heard a sentence or 2....I was the best skater in the world and it was all taken away from me.....She was prob. given a script but she should have choked. I am quite sure those scenes are what she was invited for.

 

[Japanfan]

so...I did not watch her performance but she did a talking piece in the car which I heard a sentence or 2....I was the best skater in the world and it was all taken away from me.....She was prob. given a script but she should have choked. I am quite sure those scenes are what she was invited for.

In the movie, she said something like "for a moment, I was the best figure skater in the world". Or maybe it was, "for a time".

Although 'one of the best in the world' would be more accurate, it's understandable that Tonya and her team would think of her as 'the best'.

And I am sure that what she says on the show is scripted, and agree with what you say about it being the reason she was invited. Although I've never followed DWTS, the show would obviously want to promote the contestants and bump up ratings.

It's kind of working, as I watched Tonya last week and will watch again next week. Although I only watched her and the other skaters - fast-forwarded through everything else.

 

[miav9]

Adam Rippon interview where he briefly talks about Tonya, made me lol: https://pridesource.com/article/qa-...mpics-clapback-for-guys-who-once-ghosted-him/

Q: So, “Dancing with the Stars”: Can you even believe that you’re competing against Tonya Harding?
A: (Sighs) Ah, I cannot.
Q: What is that like?
A: It’s not a super big deal, but I think she’s got a lot going on, so I’m just gonna let her do her own thing, probably. Probably best.
Q: You’ve met?
A: I did meet her. She’s very pleasant.
Q: Team Tonya or Team Nancy?
A: Well, I mean, Tonya tried to kill someone, so I’m Team Nancy, probably.
Q: Honestly think that’s probably the safe choice to make.
A: I think it’s probably the right choice.

 

[cmk]

Tonya never tried to kill anyone. Jeff , the ex hubby, did threaten his 2nd wife , but apparently those charges got dropped.

 

[barbarafan]

Tonya never tried to kill anyone. Jeff , the ex hubby, did threaten his 2nd wife , but apparently those charges got dropped.

Whatever.....cheating is cheating ...if it is drugs....sabotaging equipment....or physical attacks on the competition she will never be accepted in sports...she might now have been part of the action but she knew about it and could for sure have stopped it but chose not to. And she still feels she did nothing wrong so I sure would not want her to be around children in sports. The shit that is in her head should stay there.

 

[cmk]

Whatever.....cheating is cheating ...if it is drugs....sabotaging equipment....or physical attacks on the competition she will never be accepted in sports...she might now have been part of the action but she knew about it and could for sure have stopped it but chose not to. And she still feels she did nothing wrong so I sure would not want her to be around children in sports. The shit that is in her head should stay there.

She didn't find out what Jeff did until after it happened so she couldn't of stopped it. She didn't need to cheat to win -she was the better skater. She was only guilty of the coverup and was afraid of her abusive exhubby Jeff (have you ever heard of mitigating circumstances?). As for "overhearing stuff", she might not of known they were serious- Shawn thought he was a secret agent man who claimed to have done stuff that wasn't possible, and Jeff used Tonya as a meal ticket. It is pretty sad that the skating community knew how abusivie he was, but chose to believe his side of the story over hers. Tonya would of beat Nancy at 94 nationals- her skates there were better than Nancy's Olympic ones. Nancy was the most overrated skater of all time and probably the worst female spinner in the history of the sport. Nancy was no angel either and did break up a marriage .
She was allowed to compete in other sports- did you forget her short lived boxing career? Tonya was an excellent skater but a mediocre boxer (3-3 boxing record in official bouts, she won a lot of exhibition/celebrity bouts). She is doing dancing with the stars , and her fox trot was graceful and I am glad she made it though. She seems to be happily married and has a young son. You need to watch I, Tonya biopic. Some artisitic license was taken to make the movie commercially appealing but it does show what monsters her mom and Jeff were.

Kostner served a suspension for drugs but was welcomed back ( you do remember seeing her skate at the Olympics and worlds). Bobek pled guilty to a felony meth charge, got probation, and is performing in circus shows and does occasionally get invited to participate in skating shows. If Nicole can get a 2nd chance, why not Tonya?

 

[barbarafan]

She didn't find out what Jeff did until after it happened so she couldn't of stopped it. She didn't need to cheat to win -she was the better skater. She was only guilty of the coverup and was afraid of her abusive exhubby Jeff (have you ever heard of mitigating circumstances?). As for "overhearing stuff", she might not of known they were serious- Shawn thought he was a secret agent man who claimed to have done stuff that wasn't possible, and Jeff used Tonya as a meal ticket. It is pretty sad that the skating community knew how abusivie he was, but chose to believe his side of the story over hers. Tonya would of beat Nancy at 94 nationals- her skates there were better than Nancy's Olympic ones. Nancy was the most overrated skater of all time and probably the worst female spinner in the history of the sport. Nancy was no angel either and did break up a marriage .
She was allowed to compete in other sports- did you forget her short lived boxing career? Tonya was an excellent skater but a mediocre boxer (3-3 boxing record in official bouts, she won a lot of exhibition/celebrity bouts). She is doing dancing with the stars , and her fox trot was graceful and I am glad she made it though. She seems to be happily married and has a young son. You need to watch I, Tonya biopic. Some artisitic license was taken to make the movie commercially appealing but it does show what monsters her mom and Jeff were.

Kostner served a suspension for drugs but was welcomed back ( you do remember seeing her skate at the Olympics and worlds). Bobek pled guilty to a felony meth charge, got probation, and is performing in circus shows and does occasionally get invited to participate in skating shows. If Nicole can get a 2nd chance, why not Tonya?

Because her deeds involved cheating in a sport. Kostner did not have a suspension for taking drugs but for not revealing how her boyfriend could be reached on one occasion. She had no knowledge of his taking drugs so she called him to tell him to contact the testers right away to fix things up. The dream team(Tonya's husband and goons) were such incompetent clowns that there is no way she couldn't have known preparations were on but thank god they were so useless Nancy was not crippled for life and could compete again. Still she is trying to make money out of cheating.

 

[jlai]

In a family (or ex-family situation), it is v hard to avoid culpability in a case like this. It can go from she fully planned this, to she got sucked into this after the fact, and anything in between. This is where real life situation and intent get really complicated and we couldn't look into the human heart. I have been in similar situations where a friend acted on my behalf even if I told him/her not to (but I didn't proactively stop him/her either), then when things went foul everyone thought I instigated it. So I think the situation can be murky and we don't know.

Regarding forgiveness, Maxim Staviski killed someone and did no jail time. He managed to still have a post-skating career, I believe. Sometimes people yammer on the ones that annoy them the ones, not necessarily the worst case or worst offender. Tonya fits the case of someone everyone loves to hate, I guess.

 

[berthesghost]

Maxim is not on DWTS or promoting a movie all about the accident and how it’s wasnt his fault, or doing prime time interviews trying to reboot his career that I am aware of but +5 points for not using bobeck as your red herring.

I’m not sure how he escaped doing jail time as he drunk driving, but it was an accident. Stupid and negligent, yes, but it’s not like he masterminded the thing because of an irrational feeling the judges were against him. I’m sure he has to look be with the fact that he killed someone everyday, but I’m unaware of all the times he denied doing it, or claimed it was everyone else fault but his, or expressed anger over not being able to make $$ off of the accident, so I don’t often comment on him.

Tonya also avoided jail time, by choice. She chose to give up skating in order to avoid going inside then proceed to spend 25 years claiming it wasn’t her choice. Has maxim been in the news every year telling lies? Funny people don’t post about it on FSU.

 

[jlai]

Maxim is not on DWTS or promotion no mom vie all about the accident and how it’s wasnt his fault, or doing prime time interviews trying to reboot his career that I am aware of but +5 points for not using bobeck as your red herring.

I’m not sure how he escaped doing jail time as he drunk driving, but it was an accident. Stupid and negligent, yes, but it’s not like he masterminded the thing because of an irrational feeling the judges were against him. I’m sure he has to look be with the fact that he killed someone everyday, but I’m unaware of all the times he denied doing it, or claimed it was everyone else fault but his, or expressed anger over not being able to make $$ off of the accident, so I don’t often comment on him.

Tonya also avoided jail time, by choice. She chose to give up skating in order to avoid going inside then proceed to spend 25 years claiming it wasn’t her choice. Has maxim been in the news every year telling lies? Funny people don’t post about it on FSU.

US media won't cover a Bulgarian skater, so what do we know about how he feels, or not feels?
If he were an American skater it would have been very different.
Just FYI: US media don't go on and on about massive killings in certain foreign countries either. Instead they go on and on about reelections and gun violence and they get more media coverage. How can we judge anything from it, other than the fact that the media aren't as interested? and that US media are...US-centric?

Regardless of how you feel about Tonya or other people like her, you just can't use media coverage to decide who is guilty, feels remorse, or being a good person or not a good person. Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean anything -- other than the fact that the media don't cover it.

 

[berthesghost]

US media won't cover a Bulgarian skater, so what do we know about how he feels, or not feels?
If he were an American skater it would have been very different.
Just FYI: US media don't go on and on about massive killings in foreign countries either. Instead they go on and on about reelections and gun violence and they get more media coverage. How can we judge anything from it, other than the fact that the media aren't as interested?

Regardless of how you feel about Tonya or other people like her, you just can't use media coverage to decide who is guilty, feels remorse, or being a good person or not a good person. Just because the media doesn't cover it doesn't mean anything -- other than the fact that the media don't cover it.

Im not. But people on FSU discuss Tonya all the time and rarely discuss maxim, so don’t blame me for cmenting on Tonya threads and not maxim ones like there are currently 4 maxim threads going on here.

 

[jlai]

Im not. But people on FSU discuss Tonya all the time and rarely discuss maxim, so don’t blame me for cmenting on Tonya threads and not maxim ones like there are currently 4 maxim threads going on here.

But you said:
You said:

Maxim is not on DWTS or promoting a movie all about the accident and how it’s wasnt his fault, or doing prime time interviews trying to reboot his career that I am aware of but +5 points for not using bobeck as your red herring.

And

Has maxim been in the news every year telling lies? Funny people don’t post about it on FSU.

So the annoyance level of Maxim Staviski is based on the amount of media coverage he has (or doesn't have)?

Basically, the media doesn't cover, so he must be less annoying.

But then, news is based on selective outrage.

 

[bardtoob]

+5 points for not using bobeck as your red herring.

Red herring?

 

[berthesghost]

My main point was that it’s not just an apples and oranges comparison, but more like apples, disco music and roof shingles. Other than being 3 former oly skaters who ran afoul of the law, the 3 cases have nothing in common.

As for media coverage, Tonya isn’t on DWTS and doing interviews because the media won’t leave her alone. She’s out hawking herself. Even if you feel she’s not the instigator, she’s taking these calls so it can’t all be blamed on the media’s obsession with her.

 

[cmk]

Tonya was invited to do DTWS. She accepted. She has a right to earn a living so she can support her family. She does have a 7 year old- maybe she's doing the show to earn money so he won't have to struggle like she did when she was a kid. Lance Armstrong has been invited to do dtws multiple times and turned them down. I don't think they would actually invite OJ ( who actually did kill 2 people but was acquitted because the da and the cops botched the case).

Since we seem to be going down the line of the 91 skating ratings (Kristi, Tonya, Nancy) for dtws, Kwiatkowski should be next in line for dtws next year. I doubt any non skating fans remember Ervin. (us national ratings).

I would love it if Ito and Bonaly were invited but Ito has been out of the limelight for a long time. (not on the same season though)

 

[bardtoob]

As for media coverage, Tonya isn’t on DWTS and doing interviews because the media won’t leave her alone. She’s out hawking herself. Even if you feel she’s not the instigator, she’s taking these calls so it can’t all be blamed on the media’s obsession with her.

I don't think this statement is objective.

Regardless of whether or not Tonya is a liar or shameless self-promoter, the market for her labor, in what ever form, is the strongest force at play. In this case, the market demands Tonya's appearance on DWTS more than Tonya doing yard work, which is expressed in terms of the difference in payment for using her time one way versus the other.

 

[sp555]

After seeing that quote from Adam ("tried to kill someone”), I kind of understand now why Tonya pretends to not recognize any skater she meets.

Mirai said some nice things about meeting Tonya in her People blog:

http://people.com/tv/mirai-nagasu-blog-tonya-harding/

When I met Tonya Harding, who’s also competing on the show, she didn't know who I was. I told her that I figure skate, and she is the nicest person. She’s been working really hard, and she told me she lost 3 lbs. I wish I lost 3 lbs.! I haven’t told her yet that we both have made history by landing the triple axel, but I think she knows. She told me that she’s really proud of me because my ballroom dancing looks really good.

 

[Japanfan]

Whatever.....cheating is cheating ...if it is drugs....sabotaging equipment....or physical attacks on the competition she will never be accepted in sports...she might now have been part of the action but she knew about it and could for sure have stopped it but chose not to. And she still feels she did nothing wrong so I sure would not want her to be around children in sports. The shit that is in her head should stay there.

Your post is in response to 'Tonya tried to kill someone'.

She did not, and Adam should have been corrected.

Killing someone is not the same as assaulting someone. And assaulting someone is not the same as being complicit in an assault - and it should be noted that Tonya's level of complicity in the assault (getting information about where Nancy practiced)

As to getting a second chance, I think the poster referred to in life, not skating?

Tonya definitely deserves a second chance in life. Assault does not usually merit a life sentence, but she received one - a lifetime ban.

 

[Japanfan]

I’m not sure how he escaped doing jail time as he drunk driving, but it was an accident. Stupid and negligent, yes, but it’s not like he masterminded the thing because of an irrational feeling the judges were against him.

He chose to get drunk, and chose to drive drunk.

And his victim is dead. Nancy is not. Huge world of difference there.

I was appalled that he got no jail time.

I’m sure he has to look be with the fact that he killed someone everyday, but I’m unaware of all the times he denied doing it, or claimed it was everyone else fault but his, or expressed anger over not being able to make $$ off of the accident, so I don’t often comment on him.

I don't think this is a valid comparison. He killed someone.

And he well may have wanted to place the blame somewhere other than himself. We don't get a whole lot news about Bulgarian skaters.

Tonya also avoided jail time, by choice.

Was she actually given a choice? She wasn't in the movie, and I don't recall ever reading that was on the forum.

 

[sp555]

Tonya did not give up skating to avoid jail time. She was still scheduled to compete in the World Championships in late March 1994. The prosecutor made it part of her plea bargain that she give up her membership to the USFSA. In other words, he was doing the skating association a favor by having Harding withdraw from Worlds.

She had no way of knowing at that point that she would receive a lifetime ban and would never be able to regain membership.

 

[jlai]

He chose to get drunk, and chose to drive drunk.

And his victim is dead. Nancy is not. Huge world of difference there.

I was appalled that he got no jail time.

According to Wiki, he got pulled over by a cop and issued a warning just minutes before he collided?
And there was a comatose female also. Very sad.

 

[sp555]

Is drunk driving by itself not considered a big deal in Europe? Why did the cop only issue a warning?

 

[berthesghost]

I don't think this is a valid comparison. .

so you and I are in complete agreement.