U.S. Women [#3]: Skating Clean

[kwanfan1818]

Corrected below:

Bradie Tennell is WS 17, even with no points from this season, after WS was updated for Worlds results:
https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm

She's guaranteed one GP spot, assuming the rules don't get tighter. I wonder whether they'll make any adjustments for Russian skaters not being eligible. (Glenn is WS 26.) But I do hope that they remove Miyahara from the list before the GP selection (with her retirement announcement), because that would bump Paganini into 24th place and a GP spot.

 

[sheetz]

Sounds like Bradie has begun coaching at the Crystal Ice House located in the Chicago suburbs.

Crystal Ice House on Instagram: "Come take private lessons with National Champion, Bradie Tennell! Contact Crystal Ice House for more details"

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[RoseRed]

Bradie Tennell is WS 17, even with no points from this season, after WS was updated for Worlds results:
https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm

She's guaranteed one GP spot, assuming the rules don't get tighter. I wonder whether they'll make any adjustments for Russian skaters not being eligible. (Glenn is WS 26.) But I do hope that they remove Miyahara from the list before the GP selection (with her retirement announcement), because that would bump Paganini into 24th place and a GP spot.

That's not updated for the end of season though. Before that list is used for GP spots, they'll drop all the points from 2019-20, and make the points from 2020-21 worth only 70%.

Most of Bradie's points are from 2019-20, so she'll only have the 2021 Worlds points at 70% (517 becomes ~362), and she'll move down a lot. She won't be top 24.

 

[Karen-W]

Bradie Tennell is WS 17, even with no points from this season, after WS was updated for Worlds results:
https://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wswomen.htm

She's guaranteed one GP spot, assuming the rules don't get tighter. I wonder whether they'll make any adjustments for Russian skaters not being eligible. (Glenn is WS 26.) But I do hope that they remove Miyahara from the list before the GP selection (with her retirement announcement), because that would bump Paganini into 24th place and a GP spot.

That's not updated for the end of season though. Before that list is used for GP spots, they'll drop all the points from 2019-20, and make the points from 2020-21 worth only 70%.

Most of Bradie's points are from 2019-20, so she'll only have the 2021 Worlds points at 70% (517 becomes ~362), and she'll move down a lot. She won't be top 24.

As RoseRed points out, she's definitely going to drop out of the Top 24 once the WS get updated for the end of season. Also, don't forget that the women competing at Jr Worlds who don't yet have any ISU Championship points are going to get a bump and some are quite likely to move into the Top 24.

Bradie would be eligible for a host pick as well as being added to the SB list using her 2021 score from WTT (Rika Kihira is in a similar situation for Japan, and Zagorski/Guerreiro would be too if Russia wasn't banned), which would make her eligible for selection by the other feds for a 2nd spot. I would guess that both of them would receive invitations for a 2nd event as the GP feds are usually pretty supportive of each other and getting skaters who missed a season due to injury back on the GP circuit.

 

[kwanfan1818]

I overwrote all of my re-calculations with the current listings .

I don't remember if they sum and then factor, or round vs. truncate, and it's only on the Top 50 now, but in my actual re-calculations, give or take rounding discrepancies, Tennell tumbles to 49, but Audrey Shin is 24:

					Championships & OWG	GP	GP	Int'l	Int'l
1	3065	Anna SHCHERBAKOVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)	1200	400	400	225
1	3065	Anna SHCHERBAKOVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	840	0	0	0	0
2	2613	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	1200	400	292	225
2	2613	Kaori SAKAMOTO	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	496	0	0	0	0
3	2436	Loena HENDRICKX	BEL	2021/2022 (100%)	1080	324	262	219
3	2436	Loena HENDRICKX	BEL	2020/2021 (100%)	551	0	0	0	0
4	2410	Alexandra TRUSOVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)	1080	400		250
4	2410	Alexandra TRUSOVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	680	0	0	0	0
5	2126	Alysa LIU	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	972	292	262	300	300
5	2126	Alysa LIU	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
6	1975	Kamila VALIEVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)	875	400	400	300
6	1975	Kamila VALIEVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
7	1930	Young YOU	KOR	2021/2022 (100%)	787	324	324	270	225
7	1930	Young YOU	KOR	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
8	1846	Karen CHEN	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	574	262		219	178
8	1846	Karen CHEN	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	613	0	0	0	0
9	1746	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)		360	360	270
9	1746	Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	756	0	0	0	0
10	1674	Mai MIHARA	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	840	292	292	250
10	1674	Mai MIHARA	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
11	1647	Wakaba HIGUCHI	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	787	324	236	300
11	1647	Wakaba HIGUCHI	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
12	1606	Mariah BELL	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	875	292	236	203
12	1606	Mariah BELL	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
13	1514	Ekaterina RYABOVA	AZE	2021/2022 (100%)	517	213		270	250
13	1514	Ekaterina RYABOVA	AZE	2020/2021 (100%)	264	0	0	0	0
14	1400	Yelim KIM	KOR	2021/2022 (100%)	680	236	191
14	1400	Yelim KIM	KOR	2020/2021 (100%)	293	0	0	0	0
15	1295	Haein LEE	KOR	2021/2022 (100%)	756	213
15	1295	Haein LEE	KOR	2020/2021 (100%)	326	0	0	0	0
16	1240	Nicole SCHOTT	GER	2021/2022 (100%)	465	191		225	219
16	1240	Nicole SCHOTT	GER	2020/2021 (100%)	140	0	0	0	0
17	1234	Maiia KHROMYKH	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)		360	324	300	250
17	1234	Maiia KHROMYKH	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
18	1230	Niina PETROKINA	EST	2021/2022 (100%)	402	182	133	270	243
18	1230	Niina PETROKINA	EST	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
19	1228	Rino MATSUIKE	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	551	236	191	250
19	1228	Rino MATSUIKE	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
20	1207	Anastasiia GUBANOVA	GEO	2021/2022 (100%)	709			300	198
20	1207	Anastasiia GUBANOVA	GEO	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
21	1205	Madeline SCHIZAS	CAN	2021/2022 (100%)	377	236	191	164
21	1205	Madeline SCHIZAS	CAN	2020/2021 (100%)	237	0	0	0	0
22	1118	Viktoriia SAFONOVA	BLR	2021/2022 (100%)	362	213		300	243
22	1118	Viktoriia SAFONOVA	BLR	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
23	1091	Ekaterina KURAKOVA	POL	2021/2022 (100%)	551			270	270
23	1091	Ekaterina KURAKOVA	POL	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
24	1074	Audrey SHIN	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	612			243	219
24	1074	Audrey SHIN	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
25	927	Alena KOSTORNAIA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)		360	324	243
25	927	Alena KOSTORNAIA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
26	876	Lindsay THORNGREN	USA	2021/2022 (100%)		250	203	225	198
26	876	Lindsay THORNGREN	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
27	860	Josefin TALJEGARD	SWE	2021/2022 (100%)	214			250	203
27	860	Josefin TALJEGARD	SWE	2020/2021 (100%)	193	0	0	0	0
28	824	Gabriella IZZO	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	402			219	203
28	824	Gabriella IZZO	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
29	763	Alexia PAGANINI	SUI	2021/2022 (100%)	325			219	219
29	763	Alexia PAGANINI	SUI	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
30	758	Starr ANDREWS	USA	2021/2022 (100%)	362			198	198
30	758	Starr ANDREWS	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
31	739	Lea SERNA	FRA	2021/2022 (100%)	264			250	225
31	739	Lea SERNA	FRA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
32	719	Amber GLENN	USA	2021/2022 (100%)		236	213	270
32	719	Amber GLENN	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
33	718	Alexandra FEIGIN	BUL	2021/2022 (100%)	113			225	225
33	718	Alexandra FEIGIN	BUL	2020/2021 (100%)	155	0	0	0	0
34	707	Olga MIKUTINA	AUT	2021/2022 (100%)	305
34	707	Olga MIKUTINA	AUT	2020/2021 (100%)	402	0	0	0	0
35	686	Yeonjeong PARK	KOR	2021/2022 (100%)		191		270	225
35	686	Yeonjeong PARK	KOR	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
36	682	Eliska BREZINOVA	CZE	2021/2022 (100%)	162			225	203
36	682	Eliska BREZINOVA	CZE	2020/2021 (100%)	92	0	0	0	0
37	667	Eva-Lotta KIIBUS	EST	2021/2022 (100%)	293			160
37	667	Eva-Lotta KIIBUS	EST	2020/2021 (100%)	214	0	0	0	0
38	660	Alina URUSHADZE	GEO	2021/2022 (100%)		133		250	164
38	660	Alina URUSHADZE	GEO	2020/2021 (100%)	113	0	0	0	0
39	635	Mana KAWABE	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	275	360
39	635	Mana KAWABE	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
40	606	Dasa GRM	SLO	2021/2022 (100%)	106			250	250
40	606	Dasa GRM	SLO	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
41	601	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)		262	213
41	601	Satoko MIYAHARA	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	126	0	0	0	0
42	596	Lara Naki GUTMANN	ITA	2021/2022 (100%)	173			225	198
42	596	Lara Naki GUTMANN	ITA	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
43	568	Kailani CRAINE	AUS	2021/2022 (100%)	264			160	144
43	568	Kailani CRAINE	AUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
44	469	Emmi PELTONEN	FIN	2021/2022 (100%)				250	219
44	469	Emmi PELTONEN	FIN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
45	453	Eunsoo LIM	KOR	2021/2022 (100%)		262	191
45	453	Eunsoo LIM	KOR	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
46	447	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)
46	447	Rika KIHIRA	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	447	0	0	0	0
47	446	Yuhana YOKOI	JPN	2021/2022 (100%)	446
47	446	Yuhana YOKOI	JPN	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
48	416	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)		213		203
48	416	Sofia SAMODUROVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0
49	362	Bradie TENNELL	USA	2021/2022 (100%)
49	362	Bradie TENNELL	USA	2020/2021 (100%)	362	0	0	0	0
50	360	Daria USACHEVA	RUS	2021/2022 (100%)		360
50	360	Daria USACHEVA	RUS	2020/2021 (100%)	0	0	0	0	0

 

[Karen-W]

I overwrote all of my re-calculations with the current listings .

I don't remember if they sum and then factor, or round vs. truncate, and it's only on the Top 50 now, but in my actual re-calculations, give or take rounding discrepancies, Tennell tumbles to 49, but Audrey Shin is 24:

Audrey isn't going to remain 24, though. Thorngren is only 198 points behind her and should, knock on wood, earn more than enough at Jr Worlds to leapfrog ahead of her.

What I'm really interested in seeing is what the ISU/GP hosts do with regard to the Russian/Belarusian skaters on the WS and SB Top 24 lists. This isn't a situation where they have retired and they're left on the list until they drop off due to losing points a la Zagitova. Frankly, I think the ISU should produce a Russian/Belarusian-free WS & SB Top 24 lists for the guranteed 1 GP assignments, same with the SB Top 75 for initial selection eligibility.

 

[kwanfan1818]

It would open up six spots in the Top 24. After Jr. Worlds Matsuike will likely go up within Top 24, (ETR, as Matsuike is a sub) and both Thorngren and Watanabe should be in the Top 24 when it all shakes out: anything on the podium would put Thorngren in the mid-late teens. Her SB (37) to date is 193.X, while Shin's is 203.X (SB 29). (Neither matched her international SB at 2022 US Nats.) Matsuike's is close to Shin's (SB 31), both earned at 4C's. Watanabe isn't on the list yet; she earned 190.84 at Coupe de Printemps. Hopefully Shin's SB will get her a spot.

While generally hosts in the pre-cv times would select up to SB 30, skaters who were only WS 25-30 had a harder time, if they weren't host picks. And replacements are done through the SB list, at least in theory.

 

[Karen-W]

It would open up six spots in the Top 24. After Jr. Worlds Matsuike will likely go up within Top 24, (ETR, as Matsuike is a sub) and both Thorngren and Watanabe should be in the Top 24 when it all shakes out: anything on the podium would put Thorngren in the mid-late teens. Her SB (37) to date is 193.X, while Shin's is 203.X (SB 29). (Neither matched her international SB at 2022 US Nats.) Matsuike's is close to Shin's (SB 31), both earned at 4C's. Watanabe isn't on the list yet; she earned 190.84 at Coupe de Printemps. Hopefully Shin's SB will get her a spot.

While generally hosts in the pre-cv times would select up to SB 30, skaters who were only WS 25-30 had a harder time, if they weren't host picks. And replacements are done through the SB list, at least in theory.

I think if Lindsay aims to go clean in Tallinn rather than attempting one of her likely to be downgraded 3As, she could increase her SB, but I'm not positive. Either way, as long as she and Isabeau both wind up on the podium, they'll probably guarantee themselves 2 assignments straight out of the gate because they'll be in the Top 24 of either the WS or SB lists (same for Watanabe). Only 3.5 more weeks until we see how it all shakes out (Egna Spring Trophy, Triglav Trophy and Jr Worlds are the last three internationals of the season).

 

[aml78]

Sounds like Bradie has begun coaching at the Crystal Ice House located in the Chicago suburbs.

Crystal Ice House on Instagram: "Come take private lessons with National Champion, Bradie Tennell! Contact Crystal Ice House for more details"

39 likes, 0 comments - crystalicehouse on March 23, 2022: "Come take private lessons with National Champion, Bradie Tennell! Contact Crystal Ice House for more details".

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I wonder about this. My guess is she is rehabbing closer to home. Or just there for a bit before ramping up for the season. I doubt she would leave Colorado coaching as she seemed happy and I can’t imagine her ending her career on that non-season. Time will tell I guess.

 

[Jammers]

I know the US champion usually gets Skate America the next season but Alysa has done more then enough to get invited next season if she continues to compoete.

 

[sk9tingfan]

I know the US champion usually gets Skate America the next season but Alysa has done more then enough to get invited next season if she continues to compoete.

She has done more than enough but not sure if USFSA would do that to Mariah. This is a complicated situation.

 

[Karen-W]

I know the US champion usually gets Skate America the next season but Alysa has done more then enough to get invited next season if she continues to compoete.

USFS might not have a lot of control. Alysa is seeded in the 1-3 group and gets to choose after Kaori & Loena. Mariah is seeded in the 4-6 group and chooses after the 1-3 get their picks. I suppose it is possible that Kaori or Loena could choose SkAm before Alysa gets a chance, but I'd be surprised. For sure Kaori will choose NHK, and I expect Loena's 1st choice will be IdF. It could hinge on what their 2nd choices are. But, I suspect they'll avoid SkAm. What the USFS and Mariah do when it comes to her choice is the question - I think they'll encourage her to pick SCI and one of the European GPs, opposite Alysa, because they're going to want to feature someone like Isabeau or Lindsay, plus they'll want to leave the 3rd spot open to a less known senior who only has 1 or 0 assignments after the initial lists come out.

 

[sk9tingfan]

USFS might not have a lot of control. Alysa is seeded in the 1-3 group and gets to choose after Kaori & Loena. Mariah is seeded in the 4-6 group and chooses after the 1-3 get their picks. I suppose it is possible that Kaori or Loena could choose SkAm before Alysa gets a chance, but I'd be surprised. For sure Kaori will choose NHK, and I expect Loena's 1st choice will be IdF. It could hinge on what their 2nd choices are. But, I suspect they'll avoid SkAm. What the USFS and Mariah do when it comes to her choice is the question - I think they'll encourage her to pick SCI and one of the European GPs, opposite Alysa, because they're going to want to feature someone like Isabeau or Lindsay, plus they'll want to leave the 3rd spot open to a less known senior who only has 1 or 0 assignments after the initial lists come out.

Talking about Skate America, does anyone have a clue where it's headed for next Fall?

 

[Lanie]

Talking about Skate America, does anyone have a clue where it's headed for next Fall?

Been hearing Vegas… again.

 

[thvu]

Been hearing Vegas… again.

Pleeeeeease.

 

[Debbie S]

Been hearing Vegas… again.

Please no. Flights there from where I am are outrageously expensive. With Nats on the west coast, SA should be east or midwest.

Re GP selection, I believe the host countries choose their own skaters first before any seeding/skater preferences. USFS will likely talk to its skaters and coaches so everyone is on the same page. If USFS wants both Alysa and Mariah at SA, they'll be there. If not, one will end up elsewhere and not be surprised.

 

[Lanie]

That was chatter amongst the American skaters and families I spoke to at Worlds. I don't think anything's been decided yet, though!

I'm on the east coast now so I'd prefer that as I'm selfish

 

[Carolla5501]

Please no. Flights there from where I am are outrageously expensive. With Nats on the west coast, SA should be east or midwest.

Re GP selection, I believe the host countries choose their own skaters first before any seeding/skater preferences. USFS will likely talk to its skaters and coaches so everyone is on the same page. If USFS wants both Alysa and Mariah at SA, they'll be there. If not, one will end up elsewhere and not be surprised.

No one wants to host this. It’s just not financially a great deal. Orleans is probably a financially feasible solution for USFS

 

[Bouffantrex]

At this rate, be thankful USFS still can find someone in the US willing to host Skate America, and they haven't had to give up their Grand Prix to Estonia yet.

 

[Vagabond]

No one wants to host this. It’s just not financially a great deal. Orleans is probably a financially feasible solution for USFS

There's always Tallinn. Good old, reliable Talinn. With a view of the ocean too.

 

[Wyliefan]

I missed it, but apparently Alysa and Young You just gave each other haircuts on Instagram Live. Here's a little clip, no pun intended.

https://twitter.com/tegomass/status/1509674071163908097

 

[Karen-W]

I missed it, but apparently Alysa and Young You just gave each other haircuts on Instagram Live. Here's a little clip, no pun intended.

https://twitter.com/tegomass/status/1509674071163908097

Who else is having flashbacks to "that one time in middle/high school, I trimmed my own bangs/hair, and that was a mistake because I'm not a trained hairstylist"?

I am reminding myself that it's the offseason and there's plenty of time for them to grow out whatever damage they do and get themselves to a salon for a proper haircut in six months. And, at least they're having fun.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

I know the US champion usually gets Skate America the next season but Alysa has done more then enough to get invited next season if she continues to compoete.

I would say, if you look through history, it's often the highest finisher at worlds, not the US Champion, who is given priority for SA. Probably exactly because of seeding.

 

[Karen-W]

I would say, if you look through history, it's often the highest finisher at worlds, not the US Champion, who is given priority for SA. Probably exactly because of seeding.

And yet, all we need do is look back at last season when Bradie got the SA assignment and Karen didn't, to know that's not always the case.

I'm more interested in which women continue next season and who gets the #2 & 3 slots than which of Alysa, Mariah and Karen (who is also seeded, in the 7-12 group) gets SkAm, etc. I'm also more interested in the men because I think that's a far more intriguing decision (assuming Vincent focuses on college full time next fall) between Camden and Ilia.

 

[cmk]

I would say, if you look through history, it's often the highest finisher at worlds, not the US Champion, who is given priority for SA. Probably exactly because of seeding.

1991- Tonya won Nationals, Kristi won Worlds, both were at Skate America 91.

 

[VGThuy]

Sometimes Skate America has the top two Americans competing because it really helps to excite the audience to buy tickets, and they can set up a rivalry to drum up interest. Sometimes they don't - I like to think it's due to it being smarter to try to get multiple entries into the GPF but I'm not sure if USFS thinks that strategically sometimes. I do think the more confidence the USFS has in their skaters in making the GPF, the more likely they'll pair them up at Skate America.

The most loaded Skate America had to be the 1995-96 one where the top four from Worlds plus Irina Slutskaya all competed. It was the first year of the "GPF" where it was called the Challenger Series Final. Now that the GPF has evolved to what it is now, and the rules are what they are, there's no way the top 4 from Worlds would ever be in one GP event ever again.

 

[kwanfan1818]

Hosts can take whomever they want, even two in the same group. (They just skip a selection from the next group, so it balances out .)

 

[Angela-Fan]

I missed it, but apparently Alysa and Young You just gave each other haircuts on Instagram Live. Here's a little clip, no pun intended.

https://twitter.com/tegomass/status/1509674071163908097

That was so cute

 

[Maximillian]

Michelle and Tara both competed SA in the Olympic season.

 

[euterpe]

Just a note about Bradie and the GP. If she has recovered from her injury, I believe she could do the GP as a returning skater.