Good point. Kaori and Young You and Leona possibly? I remember Wakaba gets UR calls from time to time. Does she get hammered sometimes? And other times they’re good like when she won her world medal?
For me, it wasn't just the lack of triple/triples. Did any of the junior or senior women land either a triple axle or a quad? I know very few even attempted one.
Well Karen and Mariah are more last Olympic cycle skaters who aren’t going to be the ones who would be adding a quad or a triple axel. We haven’t had current seniors going for it other than Thorngren and Liu while Young You and the Russians are going for it. It’s still kind of new territory for the rest of the ladies field, and not just in the US.
The Japanese women are also trying triple axels.
Wakaba is but she’s also prone to URs except on really good days for her. Kaori isn’t. There are some others but they’ve come on the scene as seniors during this cycle. At Japanese nationals, both Kaori and Wakaba landed six triples same as Mariah while Karen went for 7.
They aren't splitting the women. The Selection Criteria document goes over this and it's been discussed in at least 3 other threads in GSD, the Trash Can, and KnC, but essentially, the International Committee ranks the disciplines by strength/medal contention and the top-ranked skater in the #1 discipline gets first right of refusal to skate in one segment or both, then rinse & repeat with the #2 discipline and so on until 2 disciplines are split.
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That’s true. See Trusova’s 2021 Worlds short.
I don't know...Levito's triples are so Julia Lipnitskaya...will she even have triples by the time she is senior age-eligible? The shelf life for this type of technique (as we have seen) is very brief. If she grows any...well, we all know how it goes.I think all of that is still true, it's just that others are even more done
The silver lining is Levito put out the most interesting performance in US ladies skating in 15+ years, probably since IJS. She has a star quality we haven't seen since Sasha Cohen. I can't get her performance out of my head. Finally a bright spot after a decade of pedestrian, forgettable skating.
If you look at Russian Nationals, outside of the very top girls. most of the kids are NOT doing triple axels, quads or 3-3s. That goes for the world as well. We only see a few girls who have them and that is in spite of a top notch comprehensive training system in Russia. I think that considering American skaters have to pay for everything and go to different places to get the dance and off ice training, they are very competitive. There were only 6 girls in front of Tuk at Russian nationals who had quads and triple axels. It's a real feat to have those jumps and those are top 5 skater material.
The worst part is how USFS quashes coaches like Kori Ade who obviously produce good skaters with good foundations (Her skaters tend not to be consistent in competition, but you can't argue with how good their technique is) and encourages skaters to leave good local coaches for USFS favs like Tom Z and Tammy. Karen obviously had very good fundamentals, but what has Tammy brought? Mirai had a very solid foundation - and while the focus/routine from Tom Z helped her jumps with the 3A her artistry got worse. Bradie was amazing pre-Tom Z, and all Tom Z's seemed to do is packaging changes (though hasn't that been her choreographer, not Tom?). I just don't get it.
My concern about Levito is her jump technique. It doesn't seem built to last...I think all of that is still true, it's just that others are even more done
The silver lining is Levito put out the most interesting performance in US ladies skating in 15+ years, probably since IJS. She has a star quality we haven't seen since Sasha Cohen. I can't get her performance out of my head. Finally a bright spot after a decade of pedestrian, forgettable skating.
Love her! She's our very own Satoko M with her attention to detail and ability to accentuate every note of the music between the elements. I love her classical style - so refreshing after all the bad pop music in the rhythm dance.Sorry if this has already been posted. NBC dug up a clip of baby Isabeau fangirling over Johnny.
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Ah thank you for the correction. I was going by memory and for some reason I remembered 6 triples.
If you look at the protocols for Russian Nationals, you will see that every single one of them did a 3+3 in the SP and that all except for one of them did either a lutz or a flip combination. You will also see that all of them except Tutkamyshheva and Samodurova did either a 4+3, 4+2, 4+1+3, 3+3, or a 3+1+3 in the FS.
When was the last Nationals where you saw more than a couple of women even attempting a triple axel or quad? And what had you seen this season that would have led you to think that this year would include such jumps? It's not the American women that are different. It's the Russian women who are different, and we've known that for some time. I can't imagine that anyone following what has been happening would have expected a bunch of quads and triple axels from the American women. And we're always wondering who is actually going to be able to land triple/triple triples, especially triple/triples that are not made up of just triple toes.
I think they would want as many skaters as possible with minimum just in case of a Cov1d disaster. (Although, there also might be an issue that athletes have to be monitored pre-Olys for drugs, and presumably Kate hasn't been monitored.)
Well, I'm going off the entries list which shows the USFS intends on sending 1 senior woman, 2 junior women and 2 advanced novice girls to compete. @Sylvia would have a better idea which of the women competing in the junior women at Nats are age-eligible for juniors internationally. I think that Elyce Lin-Gracey was the highest ranked novice lady, so she seems like an obvious choice for one of the advanced novice girls spots.
