Maybe she should take a cue from some "Russian baby ballerinas" and use their reply "no comment".Being repeatedly asked about Russian baby ballerina phenoms can become tedious.
"Humorous" does not need to be "offensive" or a put-down. Especially when Wagner made other "interesting remarks" about "competitors".So, on one particular occasion, Ashley responded with the humorous, tongue-in-cheek reference to her young competitors as 'sonograms.'
Thorngren won the North American Cup Novice Ladies invitational competition held at Skate Milwaukee earlier this week with a total score of 160+/112 in FS (I started a NAC thread in the Kiss & Cry section and posted this results photo link there): https://twitter.com/SylviaUnseen/status/1149442575272697856Lindsay Thorngren (I1) has been added [to the ISP].
Congrats to the ladies. Cannot wait to see if Thorngren will get two Junior Grand Prix assignments.Replying here:
Thorngren won the North American Cup Novice Ladies invitational competition held at Skate Milwaukee earlier this week with a total score of 160+/112 in FS (I started a NAC thread in the Kiss & Cry section and posted this results photo link there): https://twitter.com/SylviaUnseen/status/1149442575272697856
More about Lindsay, including her Junior FS video from an April club competition, here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/u-s-ladies-26-bell-boots-and-camel.105458/page-14#post-5589139
Absolutely. That's why I said she was close but wasn't nearly as consistently near the top as Ashley. Mirai went to Worlds in 2010 and then not again til 2016 and 2018. Ashley had her problematic years but since 2012 was able to qualify for Worlds every year and place top 7 until 2018 when she missed.I'm not sure why we're discussing Wagner in the thread for current U.S. ladies, but I have to dispute your mention of Nagasu. Mirai competed for 11 years at the senior level in the U.S. - the same number as Wagner - and made the Olympic team twice, with a staggering gap of 8 years between her appearances. Moreover, at her last appearance at the Olympics she was almost 25, having learned a triple axel at the age of 24 to get herself that spot. If that's not longevity, I don't know what is.
I don't think I said any of those things you said. All skaters trained hard and made sacrifices. It's more to do with the ability to rotate and/ or get away with lesser technique when one has a slight body. When one has a mature body, it is more necessary to be absolutely spot on for a jump to work.Right, let's ignore the hard-work, injuries, and personal sacrifices these athletes had to make to achieve their success, even at a young age. You can choose to marginalize these athletes all you want. You can make the choice to denigrate their accomplishments. You can make the choice to disrespect these athletes by failing to acknowledge everything else that went into their success.
Heck, you can even choose to continue to hold up "mature" skaters like Ashley Wagner on a pedestal, as if she was some paragon of "mature" skating. Meanwhile, you can choose to ignore her lack of skating skills, her poor spins and continuous carelessness when it comes to levels, her inconsistent jumps, and vastly empty programs.
She already has a video out.Glacier Falls, one of the more important summer competitions, is coming up and Alysa usually competes there, so we might see her.
@natsulian posted several of the U.S. ladies' video links from the Aerial Challenge jump competition at Broadmoor Open last month on the previous page of this thread (post #798): https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/u-s-ladies-26-bell-boots-and-camel.105458/page-27#post-5606396She [Alysa Liu] already has a video out.
Both Huang and Emmy Ma are listed in the Senior Ladies event for TPE Nationals in early August (just started the competition thread in Kiss & Cry): https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2019-chinese-taipei-tpe-nationals-august-2-3-at-taipei-arena.105796/It looks like Angelina Huang (2017 U.S. Novice champion, 10th at 2017 JGP Austria, 7th in Junior at 2018 Nationals and 6th in Junior at UGL Regionals in October 2018) intends to compete for Taiwan (TPE/Chinese Taipei) at the senior level in 2019-20. More info here: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2018-chinese-taipei-nationals-july-27-28.104165/#post-5580138
"ice coverage" is the poster (person's screen name) at the Golden Skate forum, correct? (It's Vail Invitational, BTW. Thanks for the info. )Per Ice Coverage:
It might be Emmy's only opportunity to go to Worlds, 4CC, and even the Olympics. With the way things are heading, a skater will need a 3A, quad, or very consistent 3-3's to even land in the Top 5 at US Nationals. We have Bradie, Alysa, Hanna, Ting, and Mariah who will probably trade positions within the Top 5 for quite awhile and with Karen Chen coming back, Amber Glenn still in the mix, and other skaters like Starr, Megan, Gabriella, and even Sarah, the prospects of a Top 6 finish are not highly feasible. Regardless of what people have to say about the depth of US ladies, we are rebuilding and we have some very hungry skaters who want to make their mark. As for Emmy, her lack of consistency and technical prowess puts her at a very big disadvantage which cannot be made up by her PCS alone. Best of luck to Huang and Ma.Very disappointed to see Emmy representing a different country. The judges liked her a lot when she landed the jumps and was receiving multiple assignments from the USFSA. Oh well I'm sure she has her reasons. It just selfish on my part we won't see her at U.S. Nationals.
Ditto. Emmy certainly created a MOMENT with her expressive SP performance at 2019 Nationals and I'm very glad she got to experience the appreciative audience reaction in Detroit.It just selfish on my part we won't see her [Emmy Ma] at U.S. Nationals.
I think ER'BODY need to stop these arms over the head unlesss they are at 90% with it. Thank Goodness Amber Glenn cut back on that last season...Hanna should stop using the Rippon on every single jumping pass
As others already pointed out, despite Emmy's talent, she was very unlikely to break through in the U.S. over the next 3 to 5 years. She's currently 18, so the time is now to try and improve and go for her dreams. I would imagine the Taipei fed made her a very good offer she couldn't refuse. Just think: Emmy has the opportunity to fight for making the Taipei World team, and also to compete regularly on the senior GP and at Four Continents. There's no way this would happen for her representing the U.S. with the depth of talent that exists among U.S. ladies.Very disappointed to see Emmy representing a different country. The judges liked her a lot when she landed the jumps and was receiving multiple assignments from the USFSA. Oh well I'm sure she has her reasons. It just selfish on my part we won't see her at U.S. Nationals.
Ah, so Emmy's heritage is Taiwanese, and her ancestors are not from mainland China? If that's the case, I suppose she will move forward even faster if there is no one else she has to battle against with her level of talent.Chinese Taipei (TPE) federation in Taiwan.
Ah, so Emmy's heritage is Taiwanese, and her ancestors are not from mainland China? If that's the case, I suppose she will move forward even faster if there is no one else she has to battle against with her level of talent.
But then, of course, Chinese Taipei will have no chance to compete in the Olympic team competition.
So, who among U.S. ladies are now representing China?
Thanks. Are some of those listed above competing in juniors and others in seniors for China, do you know? Is Emmy Ma the only viably talented ladies skater that Taipei now has?
- Beverly Zhu
- Emily Zhang
- Ashley Lin
- Angel Li (I think that’s her name)
I might have missed a few, but those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
I just posted some info in the Chinese news thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/chinese-skating-news-pt-3-a-long-winding-road-to-beijing-2022.100886/page-22#post-5607561Are some of those listed above competing in juniors and others in seniors for China, do you know?
Emily Zhang has been taken off the Team D list. Expect a replacement soon.US Figure Skating 2019-2020 Team Envelop:
Team A - Alysa Liu, Bradie Tennell, and Mariah Bell
Team B - Starr Andrews, Ting Cui, Hanna Harrell, Megan Wessenberg, Karen Chen
Team C - Amber Glenn, Emilia Murdock, Audrey Shin, and Gabriella Izzo
Team D - Emily Zhang, Wren Warne-Jacobson, Aubrey Ignacio, Sarah Jung, Calista Choi, and Isabelle Inthisone
When skaters are removed from a team envelope they normally are not replaced by someone else. Here's the relevant thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2019-20-u-s-team-envelopes-international-selection-pool-isp-updates.105768/Emily Zhang has been taken off the Team D list. Expect a replacement soon.
Thank you. I wonder how the Fed is reacting to China’s poaching. Beijing 2022 will indeed be very interesting to follow.When skaters are removed from a team envelope they normally are not replaced by someone else. Here's the relevant thread: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/threads/2019-20-u-s-team-envelopes-international-selection-pool-isp-updates.105768/