U.S. Ladies [#23]: Triple Axels? What a Novice Idea!

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Great day for the US ladies! Really happy for Mariah. Everything looked so easy for her today. I hope she can keep it up in the FS. And I love her dress.

This might be the first time I have watched Ting Cui and she was really impressive. I’m excited to see her in the FS and going forward.
 
I really hope they send Ting to a Challenger to get senior minimums, she could stand on the podium at Nationals. She's really well rounded and has great technique, also wonderfully polished presentation. I was worried about this season due to the coaching change but it looks like things are working out.
 
I really hope they send Ting to a Challenger to get senior minimums, she could stand on the podium at Nationals. She's really well rounded and has great technique, also wonderfully polished presentation. I was worried about this season due to the coaching change but it looks like things are working out.

Ting is definitely going to a challenger. Getting as many point as possible puts you in later groups and will therefore score higher.
 
Alysa has all three planned. And Ting is not likely to have PCS over her. They've competed head-to-head the last two seasons.
I didn't know Alysa was going senior this year for Nationals at 13. I think you should keep in mind they had almost the same PCS at Nationals with Alysa skating last and in first after the short and Ting skating 5th and being in 11th after the short. Also in my humble opinion Ting is a much more mature skater at this point (which is kind of expected at that much of an age gap). Don't get me wrong Alysa is a huge talent but she is just skating by the numbers at this point and not creating any type of mood with her performances besides energy. Those marks for Ting from an international panel are great.

I don't think Ne Me Quitte Pas is comparable to To Love You More in any way, shape or form. One song could bring a person to tears with the passion (especially with the way Kostner skates) while the other is what you hear in the background of a grocery store picking up a gallon of milk... in the 90s. Also Kolyada skating to Elvis was pretty meh in comparison to his short last season. I like his skating a lot though and was hoping he would snag a medal at the Olympics.
 
Was it the 2001 December "Cheesefest" where both Jenny Kirk and Sasha Cohen skated to "To Love You More?"
 
I didn't know Alysa was going senior this year for Nationals at 13.

Everything I've read on this board says she is, and that is why she skated as a senior this summer. I remember watching Junior Nationals in the ladies event last season, and I remember the results from the head-to-head they skated this summer. (Alysa had a standing O at Nationals. She brought that crowd to its feet. She has terrific speed in her spins, and she emotes to the crowd. Ting had a terrific skate in the free and made it from the bottom of the ranks after the short onto the podium. She has wonderful height in that combo. But she is not likely to have cushion. That is all I'm saying). Neither is likely to win. It usually takes experience to be ready to face that level of competition. Technically, though, Ting does not have control of her own destiny. I like both girls very much. We need them, no matter how they do at their first Nationals. Might as well embrace the good moments on this journey.
 
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Re-posting from early August (first page of this thread):
In case anyone missed the thread title reference ;), Alysa Liu, 12, was credited with landing a clean 3A+2T in her Adv. Novice free skate to win the gold medal at the Asian Open Trophy in Bangkok, Thailand in early August. She has tested up to Senior in the U.S.
Alysa turned 13 in August and was featured in the June/July issue of SKATING magazine (pages 38-39) that can still be read online: http://content.digitalpub.blue-soho...SKATING/html/index.html?page=40&origin=reader
 
Was it the 2001 December "Cheesefest" where both Jenny Kirk and Sasha Cohen skated to "To Love You More?"
Sasha skated to Tlym and Jenny did Pocahontas. I don’t think Jenny ever skated to Tlym but Nikodinov did at one point. I could be wrong though.
 
I think now until the end of the year will be a big guessing game at who will China convince.

China's convincing skaters and parents doesn't matter if USFS doesn't release them. USFS is not going to let its top skaters go. They would be in the same stalemate that France and Russia are in right now with Stolbova/Novoselov and Abachkina/Drozd. China can't unilaterally take a skater who has competed internationally even if they/their parents want them to leave without the home federation's permission.
 
Oh no - what happened to Emmy?
I don't know for certain but she has not competed well this summer (most recently 135.29 total/84.88 FS at the Boston Open last weekend) and it's possible that she and her team did not think she was competition ready?

Emmy Ma does have a bye through New England Regionals if she wants to take it due to winning Eastern Sectionals last year.
 
Knowing how incompetent the USFSA is they would probably let Ting and Alysa Liu go then wonder why the US ladies can't compete against the rest of the world anymore.
 
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Alysa has all three planned. And Ting is not likely to have PCS over her. They've competed head-to-head the last two seasons.

If the judges score correctly Ting should be significantly ahead of Alysa in PCS. Alysa is good but she lacks Ting's speed, ice coverage, flow, huge airy jumps, polish and expressiveness.

If Alysa were to beat a clean Ting in PCS simply b/c of her 3A that would be a clear example of what's wrong with this judging system.
 
Chinese fans have liked Ting a lot since her performance at JW but I feel like she might be too established for USFS to release her, they'd also have to wait 1 year out of international competition which is bad for a young skater that is still developing, it would kill her momentum. I read a Chinese interview with her father a while ago and he seems really involved and really intense. USFS has to make sure she has opportunities NOW so that they don't get tempted.

For reference Boyang's yearly training fees are supposedly around six figures USD (and his rink gets a lot of funding too for him being a world class athlete) which I don't think USFS will ever be able to provide but they should promote the other advantages they have such as experienced coaches, training camps, connections etc etc
 
China may come calling for Ting. #Beijing2022
Unlike Beverly Zhu, Ting Cui has competed internationally and would need to sit out a year and get a clearance. As it is, Cui has a reasonable prospect of making the 2022 U.S. Olympic Team. So, while China may come calling, she is likely to say something Kwan-like in response. :glamor:
 
Chinese fans have liked Ting a lot since her performance at JW but I feel like she might be too established for USFS to release her, they'd also have to wait 1 year out of international competition which is bad for a young skater that is still developing, it would kill her momentum.
What i think is not only bad but unethical, is if a US Girl taken by Chinese Federation and wins, stands on the podium under the Chinese Flag and sings Chinese Anthem, and China takes credit for something they BOUGHT and not CREATED. (and it is not about USA vs. China. it is about Country X taking credit for something that belongs to Country Y)
 
What i think is not only bad but unethical, is if a US Girl taken by Chinese Federation and wins, stands on the podium under the Chinese Flag and sings Chinese Anthem, and China takes credit for something they BOUGHT and not CREATED.
Thank goodness that no other federation would ever do such a thing! :saint:
 
Of course, if federations never poached skaters, there would be no Savchenko/Massot, Volosozhar/Trankov, James/Ciprès, Kawaguchi/Smirnov, Zahorski/Guerreiro, Weaver/Poje, or Belbin/Agosto, but let's all stand for principle above good skating. :shuffle:
I don't have a serious issue with country switching, but I also think there's an enormous difference in switching to compete with a pairs/dance partner and just switching by yourself.
 
Of course, if federations never poached skaters, there would be no Savchenko/Massot, Volosozhar/Trankov, James/Ciprès, Kawaguchi/Smirnov, Zahorski/Guerreiro, Weaver/Poje, or Belbin/Agosto, but let's all stand for principle above good skating. :shuffle:
First, what @wickedwitch said. Second, most of these people INITIATED the switch, wanted it themselves, and were not exactly poached and "purchased".
 
I hate to say this, but if the girls want to skate for someplace else then the US should let them go. I don't think the federations should hold these young people "hostage" And especially in the US where the federation support is non-existent until you actually suceeed acting like we "own" a skater is just arrogance.

They are humans not 'slaves' and they should have the freedom to choose their employer just as you and I do.
 
I hate to say this, but if the girls want to skate for someplace else then the US should let them go. I don't think the federations should hold these young people "hostage" And especially in the US where the federation support is non-existent until you actually suceeed acting like we "own" a skater is just arrogance.

They are humans not 'slaves' and they should have the freedom to choose their employer just as you and I do.
There are certain forms of employment/activities, not just government based but private as well, which have "proprietary context", and those who get involved in such "projects" do understand that they may not be free to work for another company or in another country for a certain period of time, and sometimes NEVER.

There are always waiting/clearance time for jobs with "security clearances", for activities where "money and training invested"... Newscasters, when they leave a major TV channel often have contracts with legal clauses that prevent them from starting to broadcast on another channel for x-number of months.. In Hollywood it used to be that if an actor/actress is signed by a Studio, which invests in its promotion and image building, he/she was under an obligation to produce X-number of movies before he/she could be released, etc. Certain activities and contractual relationship come with future LIMITATIONS of one's activities as part of the deal.

If one "invests" in "someone/something", the investor does not want the "investment" to go to the "competition" or an "enemy".
 
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If one "invests" in "someone/something", the investor does not want the "investment" to go to the "competition" or an "enemy".
The people investing in young skaters like Beverly Zhu are, by and large, the skaters' families. It would be quite different if the skater were a Senior champion, such as Nathan Chen, who had been receiving substantial payments from the USFSA for several years.
 
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