And that isn't even counting two other women who have scored 200+ internationally this fall for the US. I just don't see Gracie beating Alysa, Amber, Karen, Mariah, and Lindsay - and that's not counting Bradie who hasn't skated yet.
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No, her chances really aren't that good this season. She's going to need a lot more than just 4-6 clean triples in the FS to beat Alysa. And the same can probably be said of what she will need to beat even a poor skate from Karen or Mariah.
, but I do see her being top six if she has the absolute best two skates she is capable of at Nashville. That means she should be in consideration for the 4CC team. However she doesn't have the short program minimum because she really blew her short program at Cranberry.
I was just thinking about this idea last night. The US, Canada and Mexico need to get together and organize something like this on the weekend between the GPF and Christmas. Really, there are always a handful of unexpected skaters who overperform during their National Champ qualifiers but don't have the TES mins.So, again, I'd just like to say there should really be a North American Senior B in mid December. I am volun-telling Milwaukee to host it, LOL. Does Gail Tanger read this board?
This is FSU. We don't do easy.Wouldn't it be easier for USFS just to send the top three finishers at Nationals?
Well, in our defense, it's the USFS who isn't doing easy, but their criteria is at least really clear and straightforward.This is FSU. We don't do easy.
Wouldn't change the conversation here even if the USFS had a straight forward top 3 at Nationals qualification standard - we'd still be debating whether that was a good idea & pointing to examples where it wasn't.
True enough! FSU was around back in 02, 06, and 10 for those very type of discussions!
It did get a q call though, which isn't that out of line with the technical panels internationally. 'q' debate aside, there are some jumps that have been so underrotated that they clearly deserve < or even <<, no matter what the camera angle provided is, and then we see no call at all or 'q' as a cop out.
I’d argue we were there and I’m not talking the Canadian era with Osmond/Daleman or with at least Manley. I guess Karen is Josee-esque when it comes to competition nerves. Gold making the top 3 with “4 big clean triples” and fans applauding that being good enough for an Olympic berth would be a new low for US skating, that’s for sure (even if it’s a personal accomplishment for Gracie and great she made it happen after her history of hardship).
Oh, please. US women can still, generally, get at least 2 in the Worlds top ten. Remember the Canadian days of Top Ten Jen? We aren't at THAT level or even the current Canadian level (which is better, I think? maybe?).
Not necessarily a "new low." Sometimes, we can forget just how much the US women have progressed in the last decade. Here is Czisny winning 2009 Nationals with a 3 triple lp, the first of which would have been called underrotated and "e" under today's tech panels.
triple lutz? - I don't think I've ever seen a loop get an edge call.
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That was a 3 triple "long program," not loop. Yes, the first jump was Lutz combo.
Yes, I see that now. I was reading triple lp with an edge call & was confused.
I don't believe people were snarking at Gracie, they were snarking at another poster with unrealistic expectations.
What are you talking about, read the post!
My apologies @Lacey, I was confusing you with a previous poster whose screen name also starts with an 'L' - that's who people were snarking.
Then please go back and delete, you are abusing my words.
I don't know what that means, but I have edited my post.
Nothing is the matter with most of us. I’m not snarking at her but just saying if we’re at the state where she is a contender for the Olympic team, then the whole field is bleak in terms of competitiveness. If someone is going to present her as a viable contender for the Olympic team, then I think it’s fair if we start talking about her actual skills on display as a contender.
