U.S. Ladies [#26]: Bell, Boots, and Camel

[RoseRed]

A lot of people said it was under-rotated, but it looked clean to me. There was also a video of her 3A and her rotations have gotten insanely fast. I hope she works with Orser again during the off season.

Also, possible layout for Alysa next season:

Short Program - Base Value at 31.40 +/- points depending on levels

• 3Lz-3T, 2A, 3Lo

Long Program - Base Value at 81.90 +/- points depending on levels

• 3A-3T (3A-2T), 3Lz-3T, 3F-Eu-3S, 4Lz, 4T, 3A, 3Lo

She's not going to put the 4Lz that late in the program. If she's adding quads, they'd go near the beginning, like Trusova does.

 

[natsulian]

She's not going to put the 4Lz that late in the program. If she's adding quads, they'd go near the beginning, like Trusova does.

Oh, I apologize. By layout, I meant just possible jumps. They are not in order of how she would execute them.

 

[RoseRed]

Oh, I apologize. By layout, I meant just possible jumps. They are not in order of how she would execute them.

Oh okay, that makes more sense.

 

[Marco]

Mariah should definitely add a 3-3 in her Free:
• 2A
• 2A-3T
• 3Lz-3T
• 3S
• 3Lo
• 3F-2T-2Lo
• 3Lz

How about:

2axel3toe
2axel3toe
3lutz2toe2loop
3lutz
3flip
3loop
3sal

It gets the same points as your proposed layout (subject to bonus etc) but doesn't involve doing a 3/3.

 

[natsulian]

How about:

2axel3toe
2axel3toe
3lutz2toe2loop
3lutz
3flip
3loop
3sal

It gets the same points as your proposed layout (subject to bonus etc) but doesn't involve doing a 3/3.

As long as she does a 7 triple program, we’re good. If she does a program like that and nails it consistently, she could really rake in good GOE’s and PCS. Plus, when her jumps are on, they’re really beautiful.

 

[natsulian]

Alysa’s 4Lz (better video and angle)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvrP1uJH1yJ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Alysa’s 3A
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvsWkAFnsSY/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Alysa’s very first 3A in competition was less than a year ago and her first attempt at a 4Lz (under-rotated) was a few months ago at regionals... the improvement is quite considerable.

 

[sjs5572]

A lot of people said it was under-rotated, but it looked clean to me. There was also a video of her 3A and her rotations have gotten insanely fast. I hope she works with Orser again during the off season.

Also, possible layout for Alysa next season not in order of execution:

Short Program - Base Value at 31.40 +/- points depending on levels

• 3Lz-3T, 2A, 3Lo

Long Program - Base Value at 81.90 +/- points depending on levels

• 3A-3T (3A-2T), 3Lz-3T, 3F-Eu-3S, 4Lz, 4T, 3A, 3Lo

Can't Alysa's sp layout be a 3A/3t, 2A and 3lo? I believe the 2A and 3Lo cannot be repeated in combo, but the 3A is allowed.

 

[Debbie S]

Can't Alysa's sp layout be a 3A/3t, 2A and 3lo? I believe the 2A and 3Lo cannot be repeated in combo, but the 3A is allowed.

You can only do 1 axel-type jump in the SP. I think the 3A is not allowed in (int'l) Junior Ladies SP?

 

[natsulian]

3A an Quads are banned in the Short for Junior Ladies. The 2Lo or 3Lo is the single jump for Junior Ladies next season I believe.

 

[Pretty Vegas]

Karen Chen posted on her Instagram bio that she’s going to Cornell. (Similar to how Nathan did in his bio last year with Yale.) Congrats Karen!

 

[VGThuy]

Karen Chen posted on her Instagram bio that she’s going to Cornell. (Similar to how Nathan did in his bio last year with Yale.) Congrats Karen!

Congrats to Karen!

 

[Tahuu]

Karen Chen posted on her Instagram bio that she’s going to Cornell. (Similar to how Nathan did in his bio last year with Yale.) Congrats Karen!

Happy for Karen!

 

[natsulian]

Karen also posted a video of her doing a 3-3.

Video: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvuC4mJAFbF/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

 

[gkelly]

Can't Alysa's sp layout be a 3A/3t, 2A and 3lo? I believe the 2A and 3Lo cannot be repeated in combo, but the 3A is allowed.

That would be legal, for either junior or senior events (when the loop is the required junior solo jump).

You can only do 1 axel-type jump in the SP. I think the 3A is not allowed in (int'l) Junior Ladies SP?

It is not allowed to repeat the same jump in two different elements in a short program.

It is allowed to include two different jumps with the same takeoff but different number of revolutions.

Also in the junior ladies' short program the solo axel is required to be double. But the jump combination just requires "Double/Double, Double/Triple or Triple/Triple May not repeat Double Axel or solo jump performed." A triple axel and a double or triple toe loop would meet those requirements.

 

[Coco]

But if the double axel can't be repeated, it would be very risky to use a triple Axel for the combination in case something happened and she ended up doubling it or being credited with just a double.

 

[gkelly]

That is true.

In the 1990s, it was very common for senior men to plan solo 2A (required) and 3A in combination. Rarely someone might double the planned 3A and then they either had to do a good job of switching to a backup plan or else they lost at least one whole element.

Similarly, it would be risky for a junior skater to plan something like 2A, 3Lo, and 3S+2Lo. If they doubled the solo loop it would still be legal in the junior short, but that would make the second 2Lo not count.

Or for a senior man to plan a solo 4T and a 3T in the combination.

I.e., it's legal to plan different jumps with the same takeoff and different rotations in a short program, as long as the number of revolutions in each is allowed by the rules for that level and discipline. But it's risky if the skater can't ensure always rotating the planned number of revolutions.

 

[natsulian]

I’ve heard that skaters such as Ting should have more of a kneebend to help land the jumps more consistently. However, I’ve also heard that a deep kneebend is not only aesthetically unpleasant, but is not the most sufficient technique either. So, what is a good knee bend technique?

Skaters like Elizabet land with their legs straight and with barely any kneebend, but somehow always land their jumps. Skaters like Ting land with a little kneebend, but struggle with landing the jumps.

 

[clairecloutier]

I’ve heard that skaters such as Ting should have more of a kneebend to help land the jumps more consistently. However, I’ve also heard that a deep kneebend is not only aesthetically unpleasant, but is not the most sufficient technique either. So, what is a good knee bend technique?

Skaters like Elizabet land with their legs straight and with barely any kneebend, but somehow always land their jumps. Skaters like Ting land with a little kneebend, but struggle with landing the jumps.

I mean, you don’t want to be bending like Shoma Uno on your landings. But good knee bend on jump landings makes them more beautiful and aesthetically pleasing and also generally positively affects flow & speed out of the jumps. Think Kaori Sakamoto or Kaitlyn Osmond. The fact that Tursy and many of the Russian girls have little knee bend on their jump landings (and not coincidentally, not much runout) is one reason why I’m not a big fan of their jump technique. As to the relationship of knee bend to consistency on jumps, I haven’t looked at that enough to comment.

 

[natsulian]

Another rising young lady in US Figure Skating is Mia Kalin. She was 10 when she placed 5th overall at Sectionals at the Novice level (11th in the Short and 2nd in the Free). She’s 11 now and is learning the 3Lz-3Lo. She’s moving up to Juniors next season. Hopefully she improves her spins, steps, and skating skills.

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mia.kalin_skates/

Video of her Free at Sectionals: https://youtu.be/1tZb6s9Gml0

Video of her 3Lz-3Lo:
https://youtu.be/PMc0gz6WIrA

 

[aftershocks]

Many thanks to @netrina for posting these links in the Egna competition thread just now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn7AZXN2S4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exFFjXi2Lyk

Videos are blocked. Why? Was this competition streamed elsewhere? Is it on U.S. Fanzone or NBCGold? If not, why is the aggressive removal happening for such a minor competition?

 

[Sylvia]

The official stream for the Senior Ladies SP at Egna Spring Trophy is archived/still works and I've posted the time stamped links to watch below:

Watch Gabriella Izzo's new SP to "I'm Here" from The Color Purple musical here:
She's in 2nd place (61.45) after the SP - jumps were 3F+3Lo<, 3Lz, 2A.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QATykalZuA&t=19m01s

Starr Andrews skated her "Summertime" SP and landed 3T+3T, 3Lo & 2A and won the SP (64.83).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QATykalZuA&t=46m4s

 

[Tinami Amori]

Another rising young lady in US Figure Skating is Mia Kalin. She was 10 when she placed 5th overall at Sectionals at the Novice level (11th in the Short and 2nd in the Free). She’s 11 now and is learning the 3Lz-3Lo. She’s moving up to Juniors next season. Hopefully she improves her spins, steps, and skating skills.
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mia.kalin_skates/
Video of her Free at Sectionals: https://youtu.be/1tZb6s9Gml0
Video of her 3Lz-3Lo:
https://youtu.be/PMc0gz6WIrA

Thanks, interesting. She is built nice, looks good, and if not for her British/Irish name, i'd say she skates like a higher level "russian novice".

https://youtu.be/1tZb6s9Gml0 Love that "Nosferatu" programme, even the costume, which is a bit too soft for this music.

...
I am still waiting for Isabeau Levito's Junior debut in the near future..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UbB4QsuPK0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii6Stvxybw0

 

[Sylvia]

Another rising young lady in US Figure Skating is Mia Kalin. She was 10 when she placed 5th overall at Sectionals at the Novice level (11th in the Short and 2nd in the Free).

Additional background on Mia Kalin: She placed 7th in Juvenile Girls at 2018 Pacific Coast Sectionals in November 2017 and won the Intermediate Ladies combined event final round at the 2018 Broadmoor Open club comp. last June (IIRC, afterwards she was invited to attend USFS' Athlete High Performance Development Pool/ISP Camp in Colorado Springs). Kalin tested up to Novice and was invited to compete in the U.S. Novice & Junior Challenge Skate in mid-September in Salt Lake City where she placed 11th of 17. At the competitive Central Pacific Regional Novice Ladies event last October, she finished 3rd overall (4th in SP, 1st in FS) to advance to Pacific Coast Sectionals.

Kalin is coached by Vadim Shebeco - here is a 2014 interview with him: http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/2014/08/interview-with-vadim-shebeco.html

 

[natsulian]

Hopefully she makes it to Nationals as a Junior come next season. It’s so frustrating that skaters who do well early on in the season, but not so well later on or skaters who falter in one program rarely make it to Nationals. Isn’t there a new way to qualify for Nationals next season?

 

[Sylvia]

Isn’t there a new way to qualify for Nationals next season?

https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...ying-pipeline-more.103798/page-5#post-5507113

 

[Ardarys]

Thanks, interesting. She is built nice, looks good, and if not for her British/Irish name, i'd say she skates like a higher level "russian novice".

https://youtu.be/1tZb6s9Gml0 Love that "Nosferatu" programme, even the costume, which is a bit too soft for this music.

Oh wow you're right, there was something very Russian about that. That was also a mature and somewhat surprising music choice that didn't manage to overpower her -- I'm impressed.

 

[natsulian]

I really hope they work on her program components and spins. She would've made it to Nationals had she not lost levels on her spins.

 

[Tinami Amori]

Oh wow you're right, there was something very Russian about that. That was also a mature and somewhat surprising music choice that didn't manage to overpower her -- I'm impressed.

apparently there is a reason for that, and it's good to know..

Kalin is coached by Vadim Shebeco - here is a 2014 interview with him: http://skateguard1.blogspot.com/2014/08/interview-with-vadim-shebeco.html

 

[natsulian]

Mia's already attempting 3Lz-3Lo as an 11-year-old and she'll be going to juniors next season. Hopefully she finally makes it to Nationals.

Her 3Lz-3Lo -->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMc0gz6WIrA

 

[Tinami Amori]

Mia's already attempting 3Lz-3Lo as an 11-year-old and she'll be going to juniors next season. Hopefully she finally makes it to Nationals.

Her 3Lz-3Lo -->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMc0gz6WIrA

I love her figure and how she looks in the air when she jumps, just like a slim line, beautiful!