ISU statement on Mariah Bell and Eun soo Lim

[Holy Headband]

If her agents are going to falsely accuse other skaters of kicking and stabbing, perhaps she should pay attention to where she is on the ice during run throughs for the sake of other skaters mental health. I cannot imagine how Mariah feels right now.

That... doesn't make sense.

 

[Ares]

nvm

 

[overedge]

I'm seriously done with this discussion. American fans here are doing the exact same thing as the Korean fans. They don't reason, they just blindly blame. And they thought they are the righteous branch.

The skater doing the program has the right of way on every practice session on every rink everywhere in the world. That's a basic safety rule of skating. This is not "blind blaming", it's what the video clearly shows. And it wasn't the American's management agency who put out a press release completely misrepresenting what happened.

 

[RoseRed]

Mervin Tran's response is worth reading for those denying that Eunsoo had any responsibility to get out of the way. Plus it's funny.
https://twitter.com/skate_moivo/status/1108908394818080769

 

[puglover]

Mervin Tran again with the common sense approach. Who knew he was a diplomat and a skater.

 

[vesperholly]

That video from NBC is super weird. Lim doesn't react to Mariah until Mariah is well past her, like 6 feet away and then Lim grabs her leg. If they even touched, it must have been the slightest of grazes, because otherwise both of them would have tripped, and Mariah didn't react at all.

Looking at the picture of Mariah with her leg extended at 0:23, she's at least 3 feet away. Exactly how long are her legs? It must have been her right leg that hit Lim? But it looks really far away and extended straight back, not out to the side. Mariah was also skating backwards as she approached Lim, she turned forward right at the last second.

It's on Kelly Rippon's page: https://twitter.com/AuthenticChange

 

[VGThuy]

As far as Mariah was concerned she probably thought she had enough space to avoid Lim. It’s not like she collided with her. She misjudged her free leg and the blade cut Lim. However, Lim decided to park her car on a train track that had a on-coming train with a set direction and speed. Luckily, the train only brushed past the wheel this time.

 

[UGG]

I'm seriously done with this discussion. American fans here are doing the exact same thing as the Korean fans. They don't reason, they just blindly blame. And they thought they are the righteous branch.

I am pretty sure Americans are not bullying and harassing a skater on Instagram. We are having a discussion on a skating forum.

 

[Aussie Willy]

The point remains the same though. She can’t take the benefits from being signed with the agency, but refusing to take responsibility for the negatives if the agency messes up.

The girl is 16 years old. The is unreasonable to expect someone of that age to take responsibility for the behaviour of others.

 

[hanca]

The girl is 16 years old. The is unreasonable to expect someone of that age to take responsibility for the behaviour of others.

I am well aware of her age. At my rink we teach even six years old about who has priority on the ice. At 16 Lim had enough time to learn it. If she had plenty of time to learn triples, surely she had plenty of time to learn rules about who has priority on the ice?

 

[UGG]

That... doesn't make sense.

Yes it does.

 

[Aussie Willy]

I am well aware of her age. At my rink we teach even six years old about who has priority on the ice. At 16 Lim had enough time to learn it. If she had plenty of time to learn triples, surely she had plenty of time to learn rules about who has priority on the ice?

I think we are talking about different things here. Rink rules are rink rules and it is acknowledged that she should know rink etiquette. However how the thing has blown up in the media is not her responsibility. Adults were responsible here for how it has been handled.

 

[hanca]

I think we are talking about different things here. Rink rules are rink rules and it is acknowledged that she should know rink etiquette. However how the thing has blown up in the media is not her responsibility. Adults were responsible here for how it has been handled.

But it is her adults. The ones she is involved with. So she has responsibility for them. She may not be able to control them, but she lives through consequences of their actions. If they arrange good job for her, she benefits. If they mess up on her behalf, it will reflect on her.

 

[barbarafan]

No kidding. If Bell had actually "kicked and stabbed" Lim with her skate blades, there would have been blood all over the place and a lot of yelling. That no one reported anything like that AFAIK should show how ridiculous these claims are.

The story from the early news said she went back to her hotel where the leg was looked at and apparently the muscles in the shin area were badly bruised but she said she definitely was still going to compete. It is painful but not the type of injury which will be further damaged by use.

 

[starrynight]

All this fuss over a bit of an accidental clip is making ladies skating look fragile when we know it isn’t .

If one of the men were reacting like this I suspect he would be told to take a teaspoon of cement and harden up and get on with the competition.

Even on the JGP circuit one of the ice dance boys finished a full routine with his hand sliced open and blood spurting everywhere and all over his partner.

 

[Aussie Willy]

But it is her adults. The ones she is involved with. So she has responsibility for them. She may not be able to control them, but she lives through consequences of their actions. If they arrange good job for her, she benefits. If they mess up on her behalf, it will reflect on her.

That is unrealistic and totally inappropriate for a minor (under 18) to be expected to take responsibility for how things have blown up. The girl has to focus on the competition and deal with that. Unless you know something that the rest of us don't it is best not to pass judgement.

 

[bardtoob]

Um, both are national medalists IIRC. And what is happening is not okay regardless of how famous the skaters are or aren't.

My not so obvious point was neither would benefit from intentionally targeting each other.

At most, they could outscore or out place the other for 4th-10th.

Conversely, Nancy and Tonya could have gone 1 and 2 in every competition they were both entered and they were eligible for almost all the same competitions.

 

[wanderlust]

The story from the early news said she went back to her hotel where the leg was looked at and apparently the muscles in the shin area were badly bruised but she said she definitely was still going to compete. It is painful but not the type of injury which will be further damaged by use.

I thought the cut was on her calf, not shin? The bruising on her shin would have been from something else.

 

[vesperholly]

The story from the early news said she went back to her hotel where the leg was looked at and apparently the muscles in the shin area were badly bruised but she said she definitely was still going to compete. It is painful but not the type of injury which will be further damaged by use.

I just cannot fathom that kind of injury being caused by what you can see in the video.

 

[Vagabond]

Speaking, as we were, of the ISU, I am sure that it values the safety of its skaters and would consider moving next season's Four Continents out of South Korea if the death threats persist.

 

[ballettmaus]

It's called a "developing story". The narrative is shifting as new information comes out or is uncovered. It doesn't show a lack of integrity - it's how the news business works.

I miss the days when news outlets would wait until they had all the facts before reporting a story because being factually correct mattered more than being first.

I'm seriously done with this discussion. American fans here are doing the exact same thing as the Korean fans. They don't reason, they just blindly blame. And they thought they are the righteous branch.

I'm pretty sure it's not the posters who explained why it was Lim's responsibility to know where Bell was who are unreasonable

 

[barbarafan]

I just cannot fathom that kind of injury being caused by what you can see in the video.

Raf explains that in the choreo Mariah kicks her leg out sideways and back. He seems to think that is what happened.

 

[becca]

But it is her adults. The ones she is involved with. So she has responsibility for them. She may not be able to control them, but she lives through consequences of their actions. If they arrange good job for her, she benefits. If they mess up on her behalf, it will reflect on her.

I am not a fan of her management. But she's a minor. I don't think she gets a say on who her adults are...

 

[AxelAnnie]

The NBC Sports website is not the international news (and tabloid) media. I doubt if anyone outside if figure skating knew about that “kerfuffle.”

How about the Washington Post:

The International Skating Union determined Thursday that there was “no evidence” that an American figure skater had deliberately kicked a South Korean competitors during warm-ups at the ISU World Figure Skating Championships, an accusation that triggered a request for an investigation by the sport’s governing body.

 

[Ares]

It seems Raf has a decision to make

 

[AxelAnnie]

That is unrealistic and totally inappropriate for a minor (under 18) to be expected to take responsibility for how things have blown up. The girl has to focus on the competition and deal with that. Unless you know something that the rest of us don't it is best not to pass judgement.

wrong a mundo. She knows what happened and what didn't. If she is mature enough to be skating at the level she is skating.....she dang well better know about skating etiquitte and rules of the rink. or she should not be out there.

 

[Aussie Willy]

wrong a mundo. She knows what happened and what didn't. If she is mature enough to be skating at the level she is skating.....she dang well better know about skating etiquitte and rules of the rink. or she should not be out there.

Rink etiquette is a given for any skater. However what has happened in relation to the complaint and then the media frenzy should not be her responsibility, particularly as adults are the ones who have made the complaint. She technically is a child and should be protected under Member Protection. The complaint should have been dealt with confidentially and appropriately.

 

[giselle23]

How about the Washington Post:

Good but no Daily Mail or People Magazine. No screaming headlines or suggestions of an ongoing feud. No drama, unlike the stories about these two young ladies.

 

[Willin]

I think we are talking about different things here. Rink rules are rink rules and it is acknowledged that she should know rink etiquette. However how the thing has blown up in the media is not her responsibility. Adults were responsible here for how it has been handled.

ITA. Especially considering how infamously controlling and awful to talents Korean agencies are I place the blame entirely on them. Even if Eunsoo didn't want any part in this or 100% was against their statement she probably has no choice but to agree with them at this point - that is if they make her talk about it. I doubt she had any part in planning this.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Serious question: Why didnt the Hanyu/Yan MAJOR accident garner attention anywhere near as this?????

Is it because since it wasnt a crash into one another than it was premeditated????

The agency (if) creating fake news should be heavily reprimanded, sued.

Also how would the agency know whats happening in a locker room on the other side of the planet?

So someone said the agency is owned by Yuna's mother and Yuna is the one who suggested to her to use Somewhere In Time. Is it safe to say Yuna's family is invested in Lim for better or worse????

It just went and reported "news" without doing any investigating, asking questions or verifying sources. Thus its not news. Its clickbait as Rippon said.

ISU should say to Lim's team if you continue to participate in ISU sanctioned events going forward you are not allowed to use this agency as "representation."

This is very serious.... just like the Coughlin thing.. "journalists" go and put stories out there without any investigations and bam we have a suicide.

This season.... uggg......