U.S. Ladies [#22]: No More Carrots!

[Vagabond]

I guess my hopes for a Tiffany Chin comeback are unrealistic.

 

[Sylvia]

The tweet says "At least 2 overseas Chinese girls in US were approached..." and I am not at all surprised.

 

[clairecloutier]

^^ The tweet references Chinese pairs and ice dance partnership changes, not Chinese ladies singles which is where China has the most lack!

See follow-up tweet from same source https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/986987359886393344

 

[Frida80]

There's a rumor on Twitter that the Chinese federation has approached some U.S. ladies of Chinese background to skate for them: https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/986990074645495808

Ack!! I am hoping that none of our more promising U.S. juniors are involved ....

OMG... I knew it. I heard they had trouble finding girls who could do triple. I immediately thought about our juvenile through junior national podiums which had a lot of Asians. I wondered if any of them would jump at the chance of being an olympian.

Alexia and Paige left and they both went to Europeans, Worlds and the Olympics. I hope the US is aware that Beijing is coming and China wants to be the best.

 

[kwanatic]

Zijun Li was their best bet for a few years and was brilliant at times, with her FS at worlds in 2013 being the highlight of her career IMO. Sadly she struggled a lot her last few seasons before finally retiring recently.

China doesn't have any prospects. They had only one entry at junior worlds this year, Hongyi Chen, and she placed 18th. Senior level isn't much better. Xiangning Li didn't make it past the SP...

I don't know if 4 years is enough time to get someone into the ranks but it'd be sad if China doesn't even have a skater make it to the FS in Beijing. Dabin Choi's performances and top 10 placement in Korea was wonderful...if China hopes to come close to that they have a lot of work to do.

 

[Sylvia]

OMG... I knew it. I heard they had trouble finding girls who could do triple. I immediately thought about our juvenile through junior national podiums which had a lot of Asians. I wondered if any of them would jump at the chance of being an olympian.

Alexia and Paige left and they both went to Europeans, Worlds and the Olympics. I hope the US is aware that Beijing is coming and China wants to be the best.

There's not much USFS can do if China makes $$$ offers that are too good to refuse.

 

[Tinami Amori]

There's a rumor on Twitter that the Chinese federation has approached some U.S. ladies of Chinese background to skate for them: https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/986990074645495808

Ack!! I am hoping that none of our more promising U.S. juniors are involved ....

Well... it is a rumor at present. I also think such actions/moves should be made illegal.
On the podium there is a Flag and Hymn of a country. It symbolizes "country's accomplishment" in the sport.
"Accomplishment in athletics" means "creating/developing an athlete/coach within the country" and NOT "buying one".

It's one thing when the whole family immigrates, or seeks asylum, or escapes war or earthquake to the neighboring country, and then their kid skates for that new country..... and then there is nasty, pragmatic, calculating, unethical way... switch country for "sports" and stand on the podium, hearing a hymn and raising a flag of a country you "purchased" or that "purchased you". It should be forbidden.

 

[Frida80]

There's not much USFS can do if China makes $$$ offers that are too good to refuse.

Very true. At least it won’t be Alyssa. Too young.

 

[RoseRed]

Very true. At least it won’t be Alyssa. Too young.

You mean Alysa Liu? She'll be eligible for 2022. First junior season in 2019-20, first senior season in 2021-22.

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

I guess my hopes for a Tiffany Chin comeback are unrealistic.

Now I am having visions of Marjorie Chin marching Tiffany onto the next available flight to Beijing. #Chin for 2022

 

[vesperholly]

The tweet says "At least 2 overseas Chinese girls in US were approached..." and I am not at all surprised.

That makes it sound like Chinese skaters were approached about skating for the US while training here, not the other way around. Is my reading comprehension off?

 

[binbinwinwin]

That makes it sound like Chinese skaters were approached about skating for the US while training here, not the other way around. Is my reading comprehension off?

It's probably the translation, in Chinese to refer to Chinese people who don't live in China, they're called 海外华侨, which literally means "overseas Chinese." It could mean citizen of another country, ABCs, Chinese people who are several generations overseas etc.

 

[aftershocks]

See follow-up tweet from same source https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/986987359886393344

Right. Interesting gossip altogether. The follow-up tweet indicates the Chinese fed is looking to have some of their ladies train in the U.S., in addition to the earlier reference to the fed "approaching at least two overseas girls" of Chinese-American background.

 

[clairecloutier]

Right. Interesting gossip altogether. The follow-up tweet indicates the Chinese fed is looking to have some of their ladies train in the U.S., in addition to the earlier reference to the fed "approaching at least two overseas Chinese girls in the U.S."

I don't think that is the meaning. It says: "The Fed is in contact with a few ladies' skaters overseas whose parents hold a Chinese citizenship." That means skaters of Chinese background living in this country or other countries, whom the Chinese fed may invite to skate for China instead.

 

[jiejie]

China doesn't allow dual citizenship, so a skater that currently has foreign citizenship (even with Chinese ethnic background) and plans to represent China at the Olympics for which the IOC dictates citizenship requirements, will have to give up the foreign citizenship and take Chinese citizenship exclusively. I believe few to zero parents--particularly immigrant parents--would allow this to happen, as it has significant effects on their post-skating future.

 

[aftershocks]

I don't think that is the meaning. It says: "The Fed is in contact with a few ladies' skaters overseas whose parents hold a Chinese citizenship." That means skaters of Chinese background living in this country or other countries, whom the Chinese fed may invite to skate for China instead.

I didn't intend my posts to imply anything different.

The questions are: Who was approached, and whether those approached may consider any offers? and, Is the Chinese fed recruiting solely for their ladies singles, or for both ladies singles and pairs?

 

[VGThuy]

China doesn't allow dual citizenship, so a skater that currently has foreign citizenship (even with Chinese ethnic background) and plans to represent China at the Olympics for which the IOC dictates citizenship requirements, will have to give up the foreign citizenship and take Chinese citizenship exclusively. I believe few to zero parents--particularly immigrant parents--would allow this to happen, as it has significant effects on their post-skating future.

That was the answer to my question.

 

[Stephanie]

China doesn't allow dual citizenship, so a skater that currently has foreign citizenship (even with Chinese ethnic background) and plans to represent China at the Olympics for which the IOC dictates citizenship requirements, will have to give up the foreign citizenship and take Chinese citizenship exclusively. I believe few to zero parents--particularly immigrant parents--would allow this to happen, as it has significant effects on their post-skating future.

There was an article, I think in either the NY Times or WSJ, around the Olympics stating that China was considering making exceptions to this rule for 2022 Olympic athletes. The article was about hockey players but this potential exception would be used for all sports presumably.

ETA: The article was actually in the FT (may be blocked by a paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/9cee3a3a-e513-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

But the Chinese players will have to think very hard about how Chinese they feel. The law forbids dual nationality: anyone taking Chinese nationality will have to give up their existing one...

For some of the Red Star players, however, it seems that Chinese officialdom might be set to make some exceptions in its efforts to avoid an Olympic hockey meltdown.

“There is something in the works, but I don’t think it will be dual citizenship. It’s more of a grey area than that,” says Yuen. Kunlun’s chairman Zhao declines to be specific, but talks of the hockey players as “a special case”. “There is a way,” he says, conspiratorially. “It’s happening in Korea, why not in China?”

 

[Willin]

There's a rumor on Twitter that the Chinese federation has approached some U.S. ladies of Chinese background to skate for them: https://twitter.com/pandaatlarge/status/986990074645495808

Ack!! I am hoping that none of our more promising U.S. juniors are involved ....

I wonder who this would be? Which US up and comers have parents from China?

China doesn't allow dual citizenship, so a skater that currently has foreign citizenship (even with Chinese ethnic background) and plans to represent China at the Olympics for which the IOC dictates citizenship requirements, will have to give up the foreign citizenship and take Chinese citizenship exclusively. I believe few to zero parents--particularly immigrant parents--would allow this to happen, as it has significant effects on their post-skating future.

Exactly what I'm thinking - what parents would do this?
My friend in college - a Chinese citizen - must apply for a tourist visa at least a month in advance before going to most countries. It made her research (which required international travel) a pain in the butt. I couldn't imagine international business or skating competitions.
There's also that whole college tuition thing - without US citizenship they'll have to pay international tuition, which is insanely high.
And if they give it up, they can't ever be a US citizen again.
Why would they give that up, even for the Olympics?

There was an article, I think in either the NY Times or WSJ, around the Olympics stating that China was considering making exceptions to this rule for 2022 Olympic athletes. The article was about hockey players but this potential exception would be used for all sports presumably.

ETA: The article was actually in the FT (may be blocked by a paywall): https://www.ft.com/content/9cee3a3a-e513-11e7-8b99-0191e45377ec

Idk if the Financial Times is the best source, especially if they're the only source. I'll wait until we get more sources reporting it.

But I thought that wasn't China's decision to make. I thought that was one of the things only the IOC can change, and I doubt they're going to change that.

 

[mag]

But I thought that wasn't China's decision to make. I thought that was one of the things only the IOC can change, and I doubt they're going to change that.

The IOC doesn’t have any say in the citizenship rules for China, just that athletes must hold the citizenship of the country they are competing for. Many people hold dual citizenship. If China chooses to change their Citizenship rules I don’t think the IOC could do anything about it. As a parent I would be concerned if my child held dual citizenship with a country that required military service. Does anyone know if that is a requirement in China?

 

[DimaToe]

Caroline Zhang for Beijing 2022 If the U.S. had the depth of Russia. I could see this being a big deal, but I don’t see talents like a Ting Cui or an Alyssa Liu (please correct me if I’m totally off on ancestry) competing for China if the field at home is “manageable”.

Is it too much to dream for them to approach Wagner?

 

[Foolhardy Ham Lint]

Caroline Zhang for Beijing 2022 If the U.S. had the depth of Russia. I could see this being a big deal, but I don’t see talents like a Ting Cui or an Alyssa Liu (please correct me if I’m totally off on ancestry) competing for China if the field at home is “manageable”.

Is it too much to dream for them to approach Wagner?

Wagner's name in Chinese is 阿什利瓦格纳. #Ashley for 2022

 

[Frida80]

Caroline Zhang for Beijing 2022 If the U.S. had the depth of Russia. I could see this being a big deal, but I don’t see talents like a Ting Cui or an Alyssa Liu (please correct me if I’m totally off on ancestry) competing for China if the field at home is “manageable”.

Is it too much to dream for them to approach Wagner?

We have a lot of promising skaters of Chinese descent coming up the ranks. I know there’s a girl in intermediate that has all her triples already. Plus we only currently have seven JGP slots. Without enough international placements, girls could get frustrated and leave for another Fed.

 

[Marco]

I suppose they would want to approach girls who never competed for the US internationally, so they can compete FOR China right away (even if they keep training in the US)?! The likes of Liu and Cui (are they Chinese or Taiwanese / HK?!) already competed for the US internationally at JGPs and would need to skip 2 seasons (I believe) before they could represent China internationally. I am not sure if sacrificing junior competition experience and exposure is all that helpful for China's quest.

Having said that, China should/can only be aiming for a team medal so the lady does not need to be exactly tip top, just not burdensome enough and can let their men and pairs carry them home.

I also see single citizenship as the biggest issue but I am glad to know China is at least considering granting exceptions letting the girls keep their US citizenship. Why would Chinese immigrants (2nd or 3rd generations alike) ever give away their US citizenship which their parents gave up so much to obtain in the first place.

 

[RoseRed]

I suppose they would want to approach girls who never competed for the US internationally, so they can compete FOR China right away (even if they keep training in the US)?! The likes of Liu and Cui (are they Chinese or Taiwanese / HK?!) already competed for the US internationally at JGPs and would need to skip 2 seasons (I believe) before they could represent China internationally. I am not sure if sacrificing junior competition experience and exposure is all that helpful for China's quest.

Having said that, China should/can only be aiming for a team medal so the lady does not need to be exactly tip top, just not burdensome enough and can let their men and pairs carry them home.

I also see single citizenship as the biggest issue but I am glad to know China is at least considering granting exceptions letting the girls keep their US citizenship. Why would Chinese immigrants (2nd or 3rd generations alike) ever give away their US citizenship which their parents gave up so much to obtain in the first place.

Alysa Liu has only done novice events. Do those still matter for international experience?

And I'm pretty sure it's just one year, not two.

 

[Sylvia]

Here's a new Starr Andrews article in which she reveals her SP music: http://figureskatersonline.com/news/2018/04/20/starr-andrews-i-just-feel-so-free-when-i-skate/

 

[StasiyaGalustyanLove]

Someone said China is trying to buy young girls from USA and make them leave the country and represent China???????????????

This is the worst thing that has happened in skating since what the judges did to Ross Minor after national's last year. I have not heard anything so awful since the whole hoo-ha with Kate Lynn Jenner.

Nothing is normal any more. Nothing is right. I need a wine cooler.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Caroline Zhang for Beijing 2022

Oh honey................

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I need a wine cooler.

Um, since when do Good Christians hit the wine coolers..... please...... 10 rosaries tonight..... and... I mean it.

 

[StasiyaGalustyanLove]

Um, since when do Good Christians hit the wine coolers..... please...... 10 rosaries tonight..... and... I mean it.

I think your period is stuck. Now that is something that should not happen to good christian girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!