Everything is beautiful at the ballet!
I think US skating continues to be influenced by the values that have traditionally shaped US skating (values that produced Karen Chen's spiral for instance). We don't have an Eteri in our midst. That's a good thing. We may not be in medal contention these days (and probably won't be until we get a crop of senior ladies who can consistently jump quads like we have on the men's side) but US skating still looks like US skating while Russian (ladies) skating (with the exception of Medvedeva) looks so incredibly formulaic and cookie cutter. It's skating devoid of soul or artistic interest. Watching paint dry is more exciting than what I saw from the latest Russian Cup. I saw one or two big jumps, a whole lot of arm flailing, clutter and formula and not much else...certainly no connection to the music or any kind of artistic expression. I would hate to see US skating end up looking like that.
I would love to see US Skating that's recognizably American plus the quads from our ladies (like we have with the US Men), but until then, I am happy to enjoy what our ladies are currently putting on the ice.
Tinami Amorl, I'm surprised at you. As long as you've been here and you fell for that click-bait? Seriously, there is a North American style. The training, past champions, I don't know. I think of Kaetlyn Osmond as the "type" Is there a Russian tradition? Slutskaya - fast, lot's of action, not so much striking poses, athletic jumps.You're just a pathetic Sour Grapes! American Ladies not doing well, too bad you can't handle it...
That is a blunt Russophobic post, and absolutely untrue. There is nothing cookie cutter about Russian ladies skating, and there is plenty of soul and artistic interest in practically every programme. If it was so cookie cutter and lacking artistic interest then there would not be hundreds of thousands of hits on the videos of the top Russian ladies. Not to mention how many people outside of Russia, primarily from USA, Canada, Japan, stay up nights waiting for the Russian local competition. The demand is so great that Russian Federation recruits Ted Barton to run International coverage....
Live with it. Russian ladies are better than USA Ladies at present......
Regarding your assertion that only Russian girls pursue education and real careers, please note the following:
There are many others who have degrees and careers who are not as famous, but I would note that Tenley Albright, the 1956 Olympic Champion is a stellar example from Wikipedia)
- Michelle Kwan has a bachelors degree from the University of Denver and a Masters degree from Tufts in International Relations and currently is the Director of Surrogates for Joe Biden; she also worked for Hillary Clinton
- Sarah Hughes is a lawyer and went to Yale for her undergraduate degree and the University of Pennsylvania
- Emily Hughes received her undergraduate degree from Harvard and worked as a business analyst for Deloitte Consulting and now works for the International Olympic Committee
- Sasha Cohen's bachelors degree is from Columbia, one of the Ivy League schools and majored in finance
- Karen Chen currently attends Cornell, one of the Ivy League schools in the department of Human Biology, Health and Society on a pre-med track.
- Mirai Nagasu is attending the University of Colorado with a major in business
- Kimmie Meissner has a bachelors degree and is currently pursuing a Physician's Assistant degree, both from Towson, in Maryland. She still coaches actively
- Ashley Wagner is enrolled at Northeastern in Boston Massachusetts
- Bradie Tennell, while actively coaching is potentially pursuing a career in the medical field
- Alysa Liu is o track to graduate from high school at least a year ahead of time; undoubtedly, she will pursue a serious field of study
"A graduate of The Winsor School in Boston, Albright entered Radcliffe College in 1953 as a pre-med student, and focused on completing her education after the 1956 Olympics. She graduated from Harvard Medical School in 1961 at the age of 24, went on to become a surgeon, and she practiced for 23 years, continuing as a faculty member and lecturer at Harvard Medical School. For a while, she chaired the Board of Regents of the National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health. As a director, she has served both not-for-profits such as The Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research and the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and for-profit enterprises such as West Pharmaceutical Services, Inc., and State Street Bank and Trust Company. She is currently the Director of the MIT Collaborative Initiatives."
I think to dismiss the American ladies prematurely is short-sighted.
There is, in fact, public financial support for college education in the United States. It's far from perfect, but it is widespread.So, to the point above, re: the RUS federation and their skaters pursuing undergraduate or graduate educations ....I am going to hazard a guess that there is more support financially thru their universities or government for the athletes to pursue degrees?? Whereas, there is little to no financial support for US skaters to attend undergraduate programs...other than chasing down academic scholarships, aside from their own parents or $ that they have saved thru sponsorship deals, shows, etc.
Polina welcomes feedback here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG2uxkjJiE9/This episode breaks down the Ladies event at Skate America, with my commentary on all the skaters. In order: Gracie Gold, Finley Hawk, Paige Rydberg, Pooja Kalyan, Sierra Venetta, Shan Lin, Starr Andrews, Karen Chen, Audrey Shin, Amber Glenn, Bradie Tennell, & Mariah Bell. Discussing their highlights, things to improve, and the triple-triple combination in Ladies skating.
Thx for further clarifying my point.Here is a list of 1998 -2018 TeamUSA USFS Olympians ( 14 women) and their education credentials and some associated career work linked to their educations. I probably should do the same for the other disciplines as well ;-)
21% did not pursue undergraduate degrees at this point in time
29% currently enrolled, or some level of undergraduate coursework completed
50% with undergraduate and/or graduate coursework completed
So, to the point above, re: the RUS federation and their skaters pursuing undergraduate or graduate educations ....I am going to hazard a guess that there is more support financially thru their universities or government for the athletes to pursue degrees?? Whereas, there is little to no financial support for US skaters to attend undergraduate programs...other than chasing down academic scholarships, aside from their own parents or $ that they have saved thru sponsorship deals, shows, etc.
1998 - 2018 Team USA Olympians: USFS women and collegiate CVs (alphabetical order)
Nicole Bobek: IIRC, she completed her high school equivalency work a number of years ago; skating shows, some film work; no undergraduate college degree IIRC
Michelle Kwan: 2009 University of Denver Josef Korbel School of International Studies with a bachelor's degree in international studies and a minor in political science; 2011 Master’s degree Tufts University Fletcher’s School of Law and Diplomacy/International Relations; Kwan worked as a surrogate to Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign as an outreach coordinator; Director of Surrogates for Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign
Tara Lipinski: NBC TV sports host, commentator and analyst; IIRC, no undergraduate college degree IIRC
Sasha Cohen: Class of 2016, Columbia University, degree in political science; Currently at Morgan Stanley/Investment Management
Sarah Hughes: Yale, Class of 2009/American Studies with concentration in US Politics and communities; University of Pennsylvania 2018, J.D. Currently an associate at Proskauer Rose LLP firm
Michelle Kwan: 2009 University of Denver Josef Korbel School of International Studies with a bachelor's degree in international studies and a minor in political science; 2011 Master’s degree Tufts University Fletcher’s School of Law and Diplomacy/International Relations; Associated work: Kwan worked as a surrogate to Hillary Clinton's 2016 presidential campaign as an outreach coordinator; Director of Surrogates for Joe Biden’s 2020 campaign
Sasha Cohen: Class of 2016, Columbia University, degree in political science; Currently at Morgan Stanley/Investment Management
Emily Hughes: Harvard, class of 2011/ Sociology major with a minor in government; currently works on developing sports partnerships at Facebook
Kimmie Meissner: Towson Univeristy, BS English Language, Literature and Writing; Currently enrolled as M.S. student at Towson, in the Physician Assistant program
Rachael Flatt: Graduated with honors with BS in Biology/Stanford University; 2020 Masters Degree from UNC/Chapel Hill (eating disorders in elite athletes); PhD Candidate UNC/Chapel Hill; associated work… USOPC Mental Health Task Force; Chair AAC USFS and BoD; Diversity working committees for USOPC and USFS
Mirai Nagasu: enrolled in undergrad program (business) University of Colorado, Colorado Springs; internship with ABC LA; currently a resident of Boston;
Polina Edmunds: 2020 Santa Clara University BA, Communication and Media Studies; working as podcast host at Bleav Podcast Network
Gracie Gold: Not currently enrolled in undergraduate studies
Ashley Wagner: enrolled autumn 2020 as an undergraduate at Northeastern University
Karen Chen: Enrolled at Cornell University School of Human Ecology/Human Bio major; anticipated graduation 2023
Mirai Nagasu: enrolled in undergrad program (business) University of Colorado, Colorado Springs (not yet graduated); internship with ABC LA; Currently a resident of Boston.
Bradie Tennell: Community college classes while she trained in Illinois; Currently training in Colorado Springs
I enjoyed this. It was fairly short and easy to listen to. I liked her commentary at the end on the importance of triple triples for the U.S. Ladies.Polina Edmunds' latest podcast episode:
This episode breaks down the Ladies event at Skate America, with my commentary on all the skaters. In order: Gracie Gold, Finley Hawk, Paige Rydberg, Pooja Kalyan, Sierra Venetta, Shan Lin…bleav.com
Polina welcomes feedback here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CG2uxkjJiE9/
Mariah didn't "lose" Nationals, she won the night and a silver medal with her long program. Abba is only in use this year. Not my favorite but capable of serious points.I am so in love with Karen's Butterfly Lovers program. There should have been a certain bittersweet / "til death do us 'part" element to this story before the lovers died and turned into butterflies. But other than that, I felt she used the music BEAUTIFULLY. To me she should have won the free skate and had the silver overall.
Mariah was coming into her own self and was so confident. That said, I HATE the ABBA program. So she lost Nationals, I wanna bet it's because of this program holding her back. I would place her 2nd in the free but 1st overall.
Bradie's program was a let down after Sunset Blvd last season highlighted her crispness and precision. They were all but lost this season. Her jumps continued to be problematic but I am glad they at least got rid of the lutz/loop combo for now. Not a fan of her this season. Would place her off the podium here because almost everything Audrey did was better.
Audrey is showing what she is capable of so should get more kudos (points) from judges if she holds up in future competitions.I enjoyed this. It was fairly short and easy to listen to. I liked her commentary at the end on the importance of triple triples for the U.S. Ladies.
And she thought Audrey should have won.
It looks to me like she has plenty of jumping ability but needs a coach to teach her how to cross at the ankle not the calf. She has good skating skills, performance quality, commitment to choreography, etc.Audrey has a lovely lyrical style but those jumps are concerning.
I am so in love with Karen's Butterfly Lovers program. There should have been a certain bittersweet / "til death do us 'part" element to this story before the lovers died and turned into butterflies. But other than that, I felt she used the music BEAUTIFULLY. To me she should have won the free skate and had the silver overall.
Ok...I plead dumbness...annd I love Alisa.....but what was that? That was a hot mess. I know it is an exhibition but why didn't she do a couple of jumps. Is she injured? Someone call Raf.. Stat! And that new leg wrap was cringe worthy
I couldn't really hear the commentary but I did hear Terry say "It is artificial" and I thought it was when he was referring to her presentation. I was thinking "I KNOW!!! What hokey choreography! So saccharine SWEET! Uggh". This looks like something a Canadian choreographer would put on a Medvedeva or a Shcherbakova if they could ever get their hands on her, perish that thought..... I seriously question all the decisions made by Team Liu this year. You only have one chance to get to the Olympics, which are what 16 months away (?) and you throw your daughter's training into total chaos???? Yes, the CV, but this is not just lack of ice time. This is a lack of quality training including daily quality coaching needed EVERY day the next 16 months. I just don't think Liu can get the GOE on anything anymore (even her spins look slower and heavier) and someone like Amber Gleen with a real 3axel and senior skating skills could send her off the podium. She's obviously not the skater she used to be, now it's a matter of recalibrating and using every single day to maximize your potential. I just don't see how that's happening getting technical advice via Skype. Mr. Liu is making some really interesting decisions. You'd think he'd learned that SkateDads and Moms don't always know what is best for their childs's skating career. Or maybe Marjorie Chin told him how to expertly manage his daughter's skating career? Who knows at this point. He seems too intelligent to be this unintelligent.Ok...I plead dumbness...annd I love Alisa.....but what was that? That was a hot mess. I know it is an exhibition but why didn't she do a couple of jumps. Is she injured? Someone call Raf.. Stat! And that new leg wrap was cringe worthy
I am empathetic. I am concerned she may be injured. And I found Tara, s comment in her intro lso concerning. There won't be this can jumps.... But it will be a sweet program. A sweet program from the two time national champion ? I am worried.Someone who looks like she is going through a tough time with her skating right now; people showing some empathy might be nice.