This Is Us, Season 6: The Final Chapter

[Judy]

That was really, really well done.

 

[taf2002]

That was really, really well done.

I was going to say the same. I thought it was brilliant. I couldn't see the Kate/Phillip pairing until last night. Their 1st date & the conversation they had made their relationship make sense (to me). This show just keeps getting better & better. The last 3 shows have really been thought-provoking.

 

[TanithandBenFan]

This was the first time I thought they had a miss on the child casting with the version of Jack when Kate and Phillip got engaged. The hair was too dark.

 

[skategal]

I think Toby wanted the white picket fence fantasy of a marriage with the wife and kids but didn’t actually want Kate anymore.

He even says “I don’t want to be alone” he doesn’t say “I want you, Kate.”

Phillip wants Kate.

I’m glad Kate realized that and called it quits on the marriage.

Amazing how Kevin can be so great sometimes and such a screwup at other times.

Great actor and writing.

 

[TanithandBenFan]

I hope at Kate’s wedding that Kevin isn’t hooking up with a married Sophie ? Could it be Cassidy again?

 

[Judy]

I hope at Kate’s wedding that Kevin isn’t hooking up with a married Sophie ? Could it be Cassidy again?

It’ll be an unmarried Sophie.

Cassidy has been dealt with.

 

[BaileyCatts]

I'm glad Toby said that comment about Kate never giving him any credit being a good father because he didn't do things like Jack did, he was not Jack, and she's sorry he's not as good as Jack, because it was 100% true what he said (can't remember it all now, but she deserved that).

So we know the weddding takes place when they are 45, so that's only 4 years between the time of the party where Jack ran off to the wedding. Rebecca really deteriorated physically in just a short 4 years (and kudos to the Makeup Department because they do a really good job aging up the adult characters).

Agree that 7 year old Jack was just all wrong. This is the first time I think they missed the casting mark.

From the previews next week, if they make Miguel leave Rebecca because of her illness, that will be a really sh**ty thing for the writers to do. When they showed that 'wedding shot' of everyone gathered, it was so strange. Madison/Zeke/the Twins were in the shot, but Jack and Hailey were not? No Pearson Girls at all? Miguel was not standing next to Rebecca, Kevin was and Miguel was sort of blocked between Randall and Kevin, like they were keeping him apart from her? They better not have Miguel leave Rebecca (or Kevin and Randall block him out!) when Rebecca will have been with Miguel longer than she was with Jack.

Even though they said the breakup occurred over 16 months, and I'm guessing it took another say 6 months to get divorced, that's barely 2 years from Kate and Philip go on first date (the DAY she got divorced) to wedding day. And while I can agree to agree with the comments about Kate and Philip and seeing their relationship from y'alls comments, I still don't buy them as a couple. So there.

 

[skategal]

I think Miguel is staying away from Rebecca at the wedding because she is thinking that Jack is still there and Miguel being presented as her husband is upsetting her.

That’s what the preview indicted to me, anyway.

 

[manhn]

Kate and Phillip’s first date was at the Mexican restaurant. The karaoke was the just a friends cheering up another friend.

 

[TanithandBenFan]

It’ll be an unmarried Sophie.

Cassidy has been dealt with.

Sophie was married at the engagement party so she would have to get divorced rather quickly.

 

[Judy]

Sophie was married at the engagement party so she would have to get divorced rather quickly.

Yup! She’s the only one left!

 

[TanithandBenFan]

Yup! She’s the only one left!

Beth’s cousin is still out there. She didn’t want to have kids but maybe she’d be okay with being a stepmom.

 

[skategal]

I’ve always thought Kevin and Sophie would be end game.

But they need to get on it if this is how it’s going to end.

 

[manhn]

This was the first time I thought they had a miss on the child casting with the version of Jack when Kate and Phillip got engaged. The hair was too dark.

There is an episode back in season four where after Toby built a space in the garage for Jack to play his musical instruments, we get a montage of Jack playing music in the garage throughout his youth. I wonder if they hired the same actor from that montage and that is what he now looks like.

 

[Susan1]

So, Toby was joking that he wished Kate made more money. When they split up, did he have to pay for the house she kept and his place while he was making less money because he gave up a good job for her? And pay alimony and child support? While she just goes off with another man? How far into the future will we see? Phillip finally growing a spine and telling Kate he's tired of being treated like a doormat? She only wants someone who is more miserable than she is who will let her have her way 24/7. The minute he disagrees with her or has a different opinion, she'll whine and get rid of him because he's not like her father after all.

 

[taf2002]

So, Toby was joking that he wished Kate made more money. When they split up, did he have to pay for the house she kept and his place while he was making less money because he gave up a good job for her? And pay alimony and child support? While she just goes off with another man? How far into the future will we see? Phillip finally growing a spine and telling Kate he's tired of being treated like a doormat? She only wants someone who is more miserable than she is who will let her have her way 24/7. The minute he disagrees with her or has a different opinion, she'll whine and get rid of him because he's not like her father after all.

That's a pretty harsh assessment. Here's another: she wants the luxury of working for peanuts at what she loves but she's ok with Toby giving up his lucrative job that he loves in order to get what she wants. But she doesn't think about who's going to pay for it. So I don't think Toby was joking but she still doesn't "get it".

 

[Susan1]

That's a pretty harsh assessment. Here's another: she wants the luxury of working for peanuts at what she loves but she's ok with Toby giving up his lucrative job that he loves in order to get what she wants. But she doesn't think about who's going to pay for it. So I don't think Toby was joking but she still doesn't "get it".

Yeah, I should have put "joking" in quotes. She's got Kevin to mooch off of too.

 

[manhn]

I don’t think Kate lives a particularly lavish lifestyle? Besides traveling across the country to see Randall last minute for storyline purposes. I also don’t think she gets paid in peanuts, I think it’d be an okay salary. That’s what Toby says to belittle her. Why would the woman who retired be able to retire? She should still be working because where are her savings?

Kate gets a lot of flack over the internet but if Randall said to Beth that her job makes her peanuts? All hell would be leashed on Randall.

 

[sk8pics]

I thought the episode was well done, but it really struck me how insulated Kate is by her brothers and family and the family narrative. She had an I’m-right vibe to me and I think she always has. From giving up when they were trying to get out of the abandoned pool complex to now deciding things without consulting Toby, like the job at the same time she was complaining to him about not consulting her. It’s all about Kate all the time. To be fair, Toby has his faults too. I also thought the therapist was doing a crappy job with what they showed us, LOL. I’m glad they’re happy in the end, though.

 

[smurfy]

I'm glad Toby said that comment about Kate never giving him any credit being a good father because he didn't do things like Jack did, he was not Jack, and she's sorry he's not as good as Jack, because it was 100% true what he said (can't remember it all now, but she deserved that).

he comments about Kate and Philip and seeing their relationship from y'alls comments, I still don't buy them as a couple. So there.

This!!! Neither of them are perfect - but Kate has been too hard on Toby and I think this is the root.
It is nice she is close with her family - but as seen with Miguel and Beth and Toby over the years - they are outsiders. Beth seems the most accepted. I do like Jack, but they have shown him to be a regular 'flawed' person but the big 3 and Rebecca idolize him - which is understandable, but at the expense of current relationships.

Also pet peeve of mine - not that Kate lives an extravagant lifestyle - but Kevin will always be there for her - so doesn't have to worry, and Toby is a decent guy and wants to support his own family.

One thing when Jack went missing - I know it is fiction - but very impressive what he did and how far he got on his own at that age. But no one noticed him? One time I was driving down the street and saw a toddler on their own walking on the side walk, and no adults visible, I pulled over and was about to chat with him - when a parent came running down the street very stressed and relieved to see him.

 

[Japanfan]

So, Toby was joking that he wished Kate made more money. When they split up, did he have to pay for the house she kept and his place while he was making less money because he gave up a good job for her? And pay alimony and child support? While she just goes off with another man? How far into the future will we see?

Meanwhile, while Toby is in San Fran, who is at home taking all care of all the domestic affairs and raising a blind toddler and a baby?

And if Toby is making much more money than her, then yes, he has to pay alimony and child support. That's usually how it works. Even if it is the female making more money.

He gave up a good job because he determined it that family came first. That was his decision, from what I could see. Kate did not ask him to give up the job.

And, Toby he is also free to 'go off with another woman'.

Phillip finally growing a spine and telling Kate he's tired of being treated like a doormat? She only wants someone who is more miserable than she is who will let her have her way 24/7. The minute he disagrees with her or has a different opinion, she'll whine and get rid of him because he's not like her father after all.

Sorry, I just don't get all the Kate hate. I don't think she treated Toby like a doormat, nor that she treats Phillip like one.

Kate and Toby have both changed, and the marriage just isn't working for them anymore.

 

[skategal]

A sure fire way to end your marriage is to set up one partner to work and do all the childcare and work in the home all at the same time, and the other doesn’t do anything except work whether both parents are present or not.

I see this happen regularly among my own circle.

As soon as one parent knows and realizes that they are doing 100% by themselves, it doesn’t take long for them to ask for a divorce.

Kate and Toby were doomed the minute he took the job in San Francisco and Kate and the kids stayed in LA.

I blame both but I do think it was unfair of Toby to expect that Jack could give up all his supports that were working so well for him and just move to a whole new place. Plus leaving Rebecca when she is in the last few good years she has left would be hard for Kate too.

Decisions need to be made differently when you have a child with special needs.

 

[taf2002]

He gave up a good job because he determined it that family came first. That was his decision, from what I could see. Kate did not ask him to give up the job.

Yes she did ask/tell him. Plus made a scene at his work's party.

 

[sk8pics]

I blame both but I do think it was unfair of Toby to expect that Jack could give up all his supports that were working so well for him and just move to a whole new place. Plus leaving Rebecca when she is in the last few good years she has left would be hard for Kate too.

Decisions need to be made differently when you have a child with special needs.

Yes, I agree with this, and it was also unfair of Kate to pursue the job in LA without discussing it with Toby, immediately after she was so mad at him for doing the same. It seemed like they were so out to get even with each other, all through this part of their story. So they really never sat down to figure out a good compromise. Kate just got what she wanted.

I do agree with decision making when a child with special needs is involved.

 

[manhn]

It is interesting that Toby did not go to SF after the separation. He stayed to be closer to the kids. We don’t know how he is doing with his job but it seems he is doing well financially.

 

[skategal]

It is interesting that Toby did not go to SF after the separation. He stayed to be closer to the kids. We don’t know how he is doing with his job but it seems he is doing well financially.

Yes. He decided he wanted 50% custody when he didn’t care too much about spending time with the kids when he took off to SF.

Weekends were okay then and he looked like he hated all of it supposedly because of Kate.

I don’t blame her for leaving at that point.

 

[Judy]

I think Toby wanted the white picket fence fantasy of a marriage with the wife and kids but didn’t actually want Kate anymore.

He even says “I don’t want to be alone” he doesn’t say “I want you, Kate.”

Phillip wants Kate.

I’m glad Kate realized that and called it quits on the marriage.

Amazing how Kevin can be so great sometimes and such a screwup at other times.

Great actor and writing.

The “I don’t want to be alone” is a very, very normal reaction. Couples that have been together a long time have to re-adjust to not being a couple. I’ve been through it. It’s just so human. Very well done I thought.

 

[manhn]

They used the end credits music! I am a mess.

Beth and Madison were hilarious.

 

[BaileyCatts]

I still do not now, nor will I ever, buy Kate and Phillip as a couple. They are not believable as a couple. And yes, I choose to die on this hill. So there.

Beth needs her own show. She kills me.

 

[Judy]

They used the end credits music! I am a mess.

Beth and Madison were hilarious.

Absolutely agree .. just finished watching. The song .

So who is Kevin’s future wife?