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[chameleonster]

Above all, I am deeply sorry that C has undergone trauma and was forced to make a statement. I hope he has a good support system around him and am glad he's receiving the help he needs.

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This is a summary of his statement. I just feel terrible for him.

 

[Rukia]

Above all, I am deeply sorry that C has undergone trauma and was forced to make a statement. I hope he has a good support system around him and am glad he's receiving the help he needs.

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This is a summary of his statement. I just feel terrible for him.

And this is all that needs to be said about it. He asked her to stop contacting him. She didn't. Now he's having to get treatment because of everything that has happened. My thoughts are with the victim, and I hope he continues to get help and improve.

 

[Vagabond]

Maybe I got lost in translation, but it seemed to me that his psychological trauma was due to the public scandal and understanding of the seriousness of the situation for everyone, and not because of the kiss on the neck.

Internet translation:

Then, on June 25, Lee Hae-in questioned Player C about the situation at the time in order to collect evidence after the incident, and Player C claimed that he was greatly shocked mentally after realizing this fact. In addition, Player C said that he is currently having difficulty training due to the mental shock and has started psychiatric treatment.

Very often, victims of inappropriate behavior don't fully understand the enormity of what the perpetrator did until someone points it out to them. In this instance, the perpetrator herself appears to have been inadvertently instrumental in helping him understand the truth.

 

[Jammers]

Lee's on a meltdown right now. IG stories of her and Skater C's snapchat exchanges:

https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkating/comments/1dprchl/haein_posts_screenshots_of_her_and_skater_c_on/

Well that really doesn't help most of us who don't speak Korean.

 

[On My Own]

Well that really doesn't help most of us who don't speak Korean.

Nor do I. The redditor comments indicate they're very embarrassing. I don't think we need to know the contents, just that they're apparently from the day they decided to resume their relationship.

 

[chameleonster]

People are reluctant to translate the messages because they were posted without his consent, but one commenter said that some of them are...really not flattering to her or helpful to her case. https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkat...mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

 

[On My Own]

The entire translation of Skater C's lawyer's statement in one tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806333689497796953

 

[Karen-W]

People are reluctant to translate the messages because they were posted without his consent, but one commenter said that some of them are...really not flattering to her or helpful to her case. https://www.reddit.com/r/FigureSkat...mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Yeah, no, from what I've been able to glean - they were together then they split, then she met again at training camp and she wanted them to get back together after that but he said no, then she maybe pressured him into agreeing to secretly get back together. And that while those conversations were happening, the investigation was going on - which makes it very much seem like she was attempting to re-ensnare him and use him to CYA for the drinking/making out that happened in Italy. And if that's the timeline/situation then, yeah, I'd be seeking psychological treatment too.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The tweet above describes two shocks experienced by Skater C: the first was after saying that he didn't know what a hickey was, he said it was okay* for her to try, and then he was shocked when he found out what it was.

*This is not whether he had the legal right to consent to anything, depending on whose laws and rules were in play, only the conversation in the statement.

The second was feeling that he was being used as a defense or alibi when her behavior was investigated, which, whether true or not, would be a shock to someone who believed it. It could be equally true that she wanted to get back with him, since the only reason she stopped seeing him was because her parents pressured her into it, and that she was establishing an audit trail at the same time.

He certainly got himself into a bind when he agreed to break his Federation's rules and go to her dorm room. They are from South Korea, not North Korea, without 24x7 minders, and they could have met up somewhere else at a different time, and then she (and the other female skater) wouldn't have anything to hold over him, if either did.

 

[SHARPIE]

Can the speculation on the identity of SA victims end on this thread please?

Ok, so as nobody listened, I am closing this discussion. The obsession with speculating on victim names is completely bizarre to me.

 

[SHARPIE]

Re opening after an admin discussion, but honestly, the amateur sleuthing has to stop unless it’s actually been confirmed elsewhere.


Thanks.

 

[On My Own]

Just to keep the thread up to date:

1. Lee deleted her IG stories after some time.

2. "Skater B" (identity not yet self-revealed) also announced her stance through her agency:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1806354385309696236

 

[airgelaal]

To be honest, I think that the KSU did a poor job. It seems that none of the skaters understood the seriousness of the situation during the initial investigation. They did not understand what possible charges and punishments could be. And after all that, very serious accusations and punishments are released into the public space, very personal details are published, and they don't even really try to hide the figure skaters' identities behind letters. All this leads to a huge scandal with television news, articles and heated discussion of fans, which only worsened the situation. KSU and real adults should act with bigger empathy and as much private as possible.

 

[jlai]

To be honest, I think that the KSU did a poor job. It seems that none of the skaters understood the seriousness of the situation during the initial investigation. They did not understand what possible charges and punishments could be. And after all that, very serious accusations and punishments are released into the public space, very personal details are published, and they don't even really try to hide the figure skaters' identities behind letters. All this leads to a huge scandal with television news, articles and heated discussion of fans, which only worsened the situation. KSU and real adults should act with bigger empathy and as much private as possible.

Easier said than done. If the accused disappear from skating scene for a year or more won’t reporters inquire? I am sure fsu would be buzzing with curiosity

These are the fed’s top skaters we are talking about

 

[airgelaal]

Easier said than done. If the accused disappear from skating scene for a year or more won’t reporters inquire? I am sure fsu would be buzzing with curiosity

These are the fed’s top skaters we are talking about

At least it was possible not to publish the details until the end of all the retrials.
Secondly, since a minor is involved in the case and his identity can be easily revealed, it was possible not to name the details of the accused, but to call it a serious miscondact without details. Yes, the audience would still speculate, but I don't think it would be worse than now, when the whole world is discussing the personal and romantic life of a teenager. I am sure that A, B and C had to issue public statements with personal details only because the public reaction got out of control. This stage should have been private.
Korea has a high suicide rate. Including young people and famous people. I really hope that the crusade for justice will not end tragically.

 

[jlai]

At least it was possible not to publish the details until the end of all the retrials.
Secondly, since a minor is involved in the case and his identity can be easily revealed, it was possible not to name the details of the accused, but to call it a serious miscondact without details. Yes, the audience would still speculate, but I don't think it would be worse than now, when the whole world is discussing the personal and romantic life of a teenager. I am sure that A, B and C had to issue public statements with personal details only because the public reaction got out of control. This stage should have been private.
Korea has a high suicide rate. Including young people and famous people. I really hope that the crusade for justice will not end tragically.

We don’t actually know the level of appealsand how many there are. This can go on for some time. This came out after the ruling against the skaters were made which is kind of like news story breaking after a person got sentenced and the stories won’t initially break after court of appeal and Supreme Court. Or after a ruling is made against a coach waiting for appeals to happen

Attempt to protect the minor should be better sure.

 

[Miezekatze]

Just to keep the thread up to date:

1. Lee deleted her IG stories after some time.

Where there ever any instagram stories? There weren't when I looked yesterday and today. Only the post which is still there.

Snapchat posts obviously aren't permanent anyway (even if people are very naive if they don't expect people to screenshot them).

 

[Vagabond]

At least it was possible not to publish the details until the end of all the retrials.

People say the same thing about Brendan Kerry and his appeal. That doesn't mean they are right. An adult found by a competent tribunal to have engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct should not have the right to keep the details private.

 

[airgelaal]

People say the same thing about Brendan Kerry and his appeal. That doesn't mean they are right. An adult found by a competent tribunal to have engaged in inappropriate sexual conduct should not have the right to keep the details private.

We are not talking about an adult, but about a minor. revealing the details hurt him in the first place.

 

[jlai]

We are not talking about an adult, but about a minor. revealing the details hurt him in the first place.

That is a separate issue from whether we should disclose the perpetrators.
Protect the minors sure

 

[chameleonster]

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It's apparently unlikely that the retrial will result in a significantly lighter punishment unless Skater C takes back his testimony or asks for leniency, which I certainly hope he is not pressured to do and hope he has a good support system around him to support him in this.

 

[On My Own]

I'm not agreeing with airlegaal, but I will say, it was strange to see KBS showing those videos and leaving little for debate as to who the two involved were. And some of the other details at the time gave away who skater A was very quickly, and then when it emerged skaters A and C were in a relationship, some of the more obsessive sleuths figured who C was very easily, too.

In this case, I'm not actually sure how C, the minor, could/would have been protected if more details kept surfacing about what happened, especially as the pressure probably would have kept mounting because of the media. But I do wonder why KBS showed those clips to begin. It was beyond obvious at that point, and I genuinely doubt they wouldn't have known that people would figure out the identities of A and B in an instant, and from there, C.

 

[airgelaal]

That is a separate issue from whether we should disclose the perpetrators.
Protect the minors sure

This cannot be an isolated case when the identity of the victim is difficult to hide. In this case, we all know how many juniors were at the training camp, so it’s not surprising that all eyes turned to them. Moreover, it seems to me that this could have a negative impact on the skaters who did not participate in this, since they ware also seen as a possible victim.
Just because a victim needs maximum support does not mean they always need maximum attention. In this case, the victim received both. And I'm not sure that's exactly what he needed.

 

[On My Own]

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It's apparently unlikely that the retrial will result in a significantly lighter punishment unless Skater C takes back his testimony or asks for leniency, which I certainly hope he is not pressured to do and hope he has a good support system around him to support him in this.

Just to bring it up again, there was a retrial of Lim Hyojun (now competing for China as Lin Xiaojun), and he was cleared after initially being suspended.

This might not apply for Lee given all the details that have surfaced. But Skater B is also appealing, and her suspension might indeed be overturned.

It's also interesting to see Lee can actually further pursue legal action if she's not satisfied with the retrial.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I’m just wondering, does anyone think that the details of what happened should have been kept more private? I mean I’m all for the punishment of what transpired, but should every detail have been released to the public? In this situation and one of them is even a minor, and I feel like we know every single detail.

I’m also hoping that the fans and the public don’t vilify all three, everybody is human, everybody makes mistakes.

 

[kwanfan1818]

The original KSU statement wasn’t completely neutral, in that it mentioned senior vs. junior and gender, and it could have implied that it was part of the same incident, where they could have just given a tally of Training Camp Gone Wild

Skater A, suspended for drinking alcohol in the dorm. Later clarified as also for sexual harassment.
Skater B, suspended for drinking alcohol in the dorm.
Skater C, reprimanded for visiting the opposite gender dorm.
Coach D, acting as chaperone was sanctioned (or whatever they did) because this happened under their watch.

This would have made them look bad in the short run, though, not just three bad apples.

No one needed to know who had filed the appeals, their representatives or the athletes, just whether or not there was an appeal.

However, the second report, where they tied the skaters together was wrong, IMO. It’s not like the press would not have been relentless, or that their identities wouldn’t have become known, or that the athletes wouldn’t have made their own statements and outed themselves and each other. But the Federation shouldn’t have, adult or minor, IMO, unless there was a legal obligation to disclose a sexual harassment or other interpersonal charge.

 

[Willin]

I’m just wondering, does anyone think that the details of what happened should have been kept more private? I mean I’m all for the punishment of what transpired, but should every detail have been released to the public? In this situation and one of them is even a minor, and I feel like we know every single detail.

I’m also hoping that the fans and the public don’t vilify all three, everybody is human, everybody makes mistakes.

If the NBA/NFL - with TMZ following their players - and college sports teams (with rabid fans, easy access to athletes, athletes going to parties with plenty of randos, and college kids ready to share dirt) can successfully hide why their players were suspended/kicked off the team with the vague excuse of "they violated team/school rules," KSU can totally do that too.

Not to say the paparazzi in Korea isn't insane, but this did happen in Italy and in dorms with security - presumably protected from watching eyes. And not to say the tabloids wouldn't speculate, but that's tabloids. They don't have an obligation to be fair or neutral. KSU just decided to feed the fire.

 

[Karen-W]

If the NBA/NFL - with TMZ following their players - and college sports teams (with rabid fans, easy access to athletes, athletes going to parties with plenty of randos, and college kids ready to share dirt) can successfully hide why their players were suspended/kicked off the team with the vague excuse of "they violated team/school rules," KSU can totally do that too.

Not to say the paparazzi in Korea isn't insane, but this did happen in Italy and in dorms with security - presumably protected from watching eyes. And not to say the tabloids wouldn't speculate, but that's tabloids. They don't have an obligation to be fair or neutral. KSU just decided to feed the fire.

I'd say that the big difference between the NBA/NFL and other North American pro sports leagues and the KSU is, in part, the level of government funding. But maybe I'm wrong and the KSU is funded completely through private money and there is, like the NBA/NFL, no need for transparency and accountability to the general public.

 

[rfisher]

I’m just wondering, does anyone think that the details of what happened should have been kept more private? I mean I’m all for the punishment of what transpired, but should every detail have been released to the public? In this situation and one of them is even a minor, and I feel like we know every single detail.

I’m also hoping that the fans and the public don’t vilify all three, everybody is human, everybody makes mistakes.

Too late for that. Lee's getting death threats. Korea has a high suicide rate among young people and I just hope there isn't a bigger tragedy.

 

[Vagabond]

If the NBA/NFL - with TMZ following their players - and college sports teams (with rabid fans, easy access to athletes, athletes going to parties with plenty of randos, and college kids ready to share dirt) can successfully hide why their players were suspended/kicked off the team with the vague excuse of "they violated team/school rules," KSU can totally do that too.

Can it, though? And even if it can do that, should it? To the degree the KSU receives funds from and is regulated by the national government, there may be due process, transparency, and public interest concerns that simply do not exist with the NBA and NFL.