ISU figure skating officials weigh major changes in rules, schedule

I mean, it IS possible for the judges to use the PCS marks correctly even if they currently don't.
Here I am, a relatively new fan who previously watched casually on TV, but started diving deeper a little over a year ago (diving into protocols, etc.). It became clear to me very quickly that I’ll never understand PCS.
 
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I agree it will be a boost to skating's appeal in the US. I think it will be a boost if Ilia wins one as well. I think it will be an extraordinary boost if we win Gold in Women, Men and Dance. Especially if we have two US women on the podium.

What I disagree with is that this will be a big boost in $$ for the ISU that will be bigger than what they get from Asia.
You don't think?


US consumer market is 2.75 times larger than China, 8.35 times larger than Japan, and 23.5 times larger than South Korea. Those three Asian markets combined are half the size of the US market. And, let's be real, the ISU hasn't managed to truly tap into the Chinese market at all, so we're really talking about just Japan & Korea right now. The boost in interest in the US doesn't have to be as large, percentagewise, to bring in more $$ overall because the sheer size of the US consumer market dwarfs any other market in the world.
 
I guess I just don't understand this idea that it is terrible to have a dominant athlete in the sport and we must change the rules to prevent them from winning so much. How many times has it been discussed in the past that one of the reasons people weren't watching figure skating was because there weren't any big enough stars to cross over into popularity beyond the sport? Now Malinin is and the ISU's response is that we must stop this? It's so short-sighted!

When atletes like Usain Bolt and Michael Phelps emerged and were breaking world records left and right and winning all the gold medals, their sports celebrated them and guess what? Their success and the hype around them brought a lot of people to those sports that previously didn't care about them (source: I was one of them).

Simone Biles's success was a huge boost to gymnastics not just in the US, but world wide. But the FIG was still engaged in attempts to devalue her named elements to make them not worth doing. They couldn't stop her. And what gymnastics did was way less stupid and drastic than this.

But I don't get why they thought it was a good idea to try? I could see it being led by other federations who are not happy that they aren't winning. But it doesn't even seem like that is true in the case of figure skating.

Also, making a program judged only on PCS is a great way to ensure that the results have NOTHING to do with the skating. The look at how GOE and PCS are used now. And choreo elements in dance.
 
Simone Biles's success was a huge boost to gymnastics not just in the US, but world wide. But the FIG was still engaged in attempts to devalue her named elements to make them not worth doing. They couldn't stop her. And what gymnastics did was way less stupid and drastic than this.

But I don't get why they thought it was a good idea to try? I could see it being led by other federations who are not happy that they aren't winning. But it doesn't even seem like that is true in the case of figure skating.

Also, making a program judged only on PCS is a great way to ensure that the results have NOTHING to do with the skating. The look at how GOE and PCS are used now. And choreo elements in dance.
Agreed on all points. I don't know why Simone didn't pop into my head when I wrote that post, she's a perfect comparison for Ilia - someone who was so far ahead of everyone else technically that the winner was essentially known before anyone competed. And yet tons of people still watched, excited to see what she could do, amazed at her ability to do things no one thought were possible.

To your last point, yes if they do this it will entirely depends on judges using PCS/GOE appropriately (which IMO is the biggest problem in the sport today). Are the judges really going to place a skater like Josefin Taljegard (who I adore) 20th in the jumping program and 1st in the non jump one? Are the two programs equally weighted?

I can't imagine watching the majority of the skaters today doing a program with no jumps. Most of them are not inherently musical and aside from a select few I imagine most would be rather boring and they're all going to start to look the same. They might as well just bring back figures.
 
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There was a LOT of backlash against Biles for plain and simple racism, which included the body-shaming because she isn't a waif, likening her to an animal, calling her a loser and traitor when she refused to risk her life instead of competing.

Malinin is the blond (however much bottled) white boy whose athleticism and non-charted jumps during his step sequence appeals to the young, X-Games demographic that the ISU claims to want. You see his influence across the board, with about a flight of skaters trying four-five quads, Shaidorov doing 3/4 combos, Kagiyama trying to recover the lost all-but-Axel quads from before his injury, other skaters throwing in the same kind of jumps Malinin does in their steps/choreo steps, one of the Russian skaters landing 4A at least isolated in practice (not sure about competition). Young kids now going into skating don't think, wow, Malinin's the only one, I'll never be able to do that, but, instead, "That's excellence, possible, and something I want to do. Plus cool as f*ck."

He's a gift handed to them on a silver platter, and they are trying to shut that down.

Morons.
 
Best way to drive away viewers is to have no jumps. Casual viewers can understand jumps. They have far less understanding of non jump elements. So funny, ISU thought a Top Jump competition would increase interest, and now they think no jumps would increase it? If ISU wants artistic skaters to be better rewarded, train the judges! PCS not be used as a substitute for 6.0 ranking and skaters should be able to earn high PCS scores with quad-less programs.
 
US consumer market is 2.75 times larger than China, 8.35 times larger than Japan, and 23.5 times larger than South Korea.
I didn't say our market wasn't the biggest. I said I don't think they will invest in figure skating just because the women win a gold medal in a way they aren't already doing because of Malinin. You are living in the 80s. :D
 
To me this is nothing more than a punitive measure against an extraordinarily gifted skater - in this case Ilia Malinin. Didn't they try this nonsense before when Quad King Nathan Chen began to dominate with his multiple quads?

It just sits very wrong with me to create rules just because all of a sudden a generational skater like Ilia comes along. He's bringing attention to the sport from non figure skating fans but I guess like their counterparts in the FIG, the ISU has to shoot itself in it's collective foot because all of a sudden one athlete is dominating under rules that THEY put in place practically when said athlete was barely out of elementary school.

The cynic in me also can't help but wonder if certain officials don't like it that - like Biles in WAG - an American is dominating the sport in men's figure skating.
 
For a combined singles event, where singles involves jumps and spins throughout a program that also prioritizes skating skills and performance qualities, I could imagine:

*One program that allows for and rewards skaters to include their maximum technical content.
Since that should include all jump takeoffs, at a minimum it would need 4 jump passes with 2 of them combos; probably better to go with 7 or 6 jump passes to allow for variety in combining jumps. And also add incentives for different kinds of jump difficulty beyond just number of revolutions in the air. I keep harping on this, hoping the ISU will listen: base values for double and triple walleys and inside axels; bonus points for combos with jumps in both directions; possibly allow jump sequences/combos (TBD what to call them) with intentional one turn or edge change between the first and second jump, which is harder than stepping forward to an axel jump -- they're already allowing it for Hilmer to change directions in her combo. Make it official and make it worthwhile!

Allow for skaters who excel at spins or step sequences to earn more points for those kinds of technical elements, e.g., by making it permissible to replace one of the jumps with a spin, or by introducing a leveled sequence that rewards difficulty in nonlisted moves of the sort we often see in choreo sequences.


*And then there could be another program where jumps are allowed (maybe 4 jump passes with 1 combo) and maybe choreo rather than leveled elements for some/all spins and steps, or just increase the values of the GOEs so doing simple elements well is worth more than doing complicated ones badly. Maybe place a limit on the number of quads/triple axels allowed in that program or require one of the elements to be/include a single or double jump variation. Program components worth more than TES. Lowering the number/levels of technical elements would have the same effect as raising the PCS factors in the current program structure.

Quad jumpers could still do quads, just not as many in the "artistic" program.

Separate medals for each, or combine events? If combined, which one would go first to make the cut in large championships?


Yes, definitely time for solo dance.
(And for gender-neutral partnered dance.)
 

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