From Russia With Love (No 32): Spring to Summer 2019

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Tinami Amori said:
Panenkova is posting some updates.
2 days ago. Q and A:
https://vk.com/dariya_panenkova?z=photo-118857967_456240480/wall-118857967_1607
- still in bed (laying down). But feeling better.
- Thanking fans for supporting her
- Yes, she is still friends with (talking to) many (skaters) in Eteri's group.
- she is really enjoying coaching (she coaches kids now).
- Daniil Samsonov (Eteri's group) wishes good health. Daria replies "thank you, Danka".

from last night: She is at the rink, sitting down mostly, but still coaching (little kids).
https://vk.com/dariya_panenkova?z=photo-118857967_456240488/wall-118857967_1610
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Thank you for the updates! I hope she recovers quickly.
 
Tinami Amori said:
Popova/Mozgov are in the news... :)
First they said in an interview that Papadakis/Cizeron, while great in many aspects, were exciting first two seasons, but now "same old, same old". Betina does not like when a dance team "stuck in the same style" and not progressing.
(that is now in the chats.. :D)
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Here is the FSGossips translation of that Popova/Mozgov interview. It's pretty :lol::watch:
 
BittyBug said:
A lot can happen in the interim - growth spurts, injuries, other talent emerging. Who would have predicted Samodurova would be Euro champ and on the world team? Or that Kostornaia would miss Junior Worlds with injury?
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Who would have predicted how would Tsurskaya’s career turn out when we saw her in her first junior season... Who would have predicted Sakhanovich’s career when she had two successful junior years.
 
Bigbird said:
Does travelling early to Japan for worlds really help any team? Why did some members of the Russian team depart so early? If you can't take the entire team why only take a portion of the team? IMHO, good team spirit lifts a team at world championships, it's priceless even.

EDIT: Who is excited for worlds though? It's going to be something, but can we begin to imagine the madness when Eteri's girls namely Trusova et al. enter the senior ranks next season? :watch:
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For real? The teams have never traveled together to begin with. Those whose events start earlier always get there earlier than those who start later. And in countries like the US, it would make no sense for those based in say LA to travel with those based in Detroit.
 
Bigbird said:
Does travelling early to Japan for worlds really help any team? Why did some members of the Russian team depart so early? If you can't take the entire team why only take a portion of the team? IMHO, good team spirit lifts a team at world championships, it's priceless even.
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There is no team event here, so why would "team spirit" matter at all? :confused: It's not the Olympics and it's not WTT. Many skaters prefer to train at their home rink as long as possible, and they aren't all training in the same city (or country in Zhenya's case)...so your fantasy of everyone traveling together really makes no sense.
 
Not sure if anyone remembers skater Anastasia Mukhortova, who did pretty well as a single skater in novice/junior a few years ago before suffering injury. Her jumps were always fairly small. She switched to pairs and won a local competition in Moscow with 152.34. Her partner is Dimitri Evgeniev. It's only their first full competition together. They only did 2Tw and had some lift issues, but also attempted 3F(e, negative GOE), 3S+2T+2T (+GOE), 3STh (+GOE in both programs) and 3LzTh (-GOE). She'll be 16 in May and her partner is only 17 so they have a few years of JGP eligibility though it's a tough field in Russia right now. Both are new to pairs.

ETA: An old video of their SP from the Russian cup (their only other competition; didn't do the FS):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zyWamqDrCY
 
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oleada said:
Not sure if anyone remembers skater Anastasia Mukhortova, who did pretty well as a single skater in novice/junior a few years ago before suffering injury. Her jumps were always fairly small. She switched to pairs and won a local competition in Moscow with 152.34. Her partner is Dimitri Evgeniev. It's only their first full competition together. They only did 2Tw and had some lift issues, but also attempted 3F(e, negative GOE), 3S+2T+2T (+GOE), 3STh (+GOE in both programs) and 3LzTh (-GOE). She'll be 16 in May and her partner is only 17 so they have a few years of JGP eligibility though it's a tough field in Russia right now. Both are new to pairs.

ETA: An old video of their SP from the Russian cup (their only other competition; didn't do the FS):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zyWamqDrCY
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They skated few days ago (3-5 days ago) at the Moscow Prize (Prize of Moscow?) Tournament.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq7BnID52AU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ugGFp3EkhQ

You can see the whole day's event on Video FS.
First Jr. Ladies (all the top ones Eteri's, Panova's, Bouianova's, Davydov's are in last 2 flights.)
The pairs starts at 5:17:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zh-hh3FeHfA

If anyone one wants to see, today is yet another Junior/Novice competition "Russian Cup Final/Young Division(novice)"
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia/videos
SP - again.. (all the top ones Eteri's, Panova's, Bouianova's, Davydov's are in last 2 flights.)

(I see Novice Boys and Girls, who are next year's Juniors, competing EVERY week, in a different competition, for the last 2 months almost in each one of the events, same kids...... i think that's too much).
 
Thanks, that's the competition I was talking about. I didn't find the video; thanks for posting. You can see improvement in their unison since the Russian Cup Video. They train with Mozer's team.
 
oleada said:
Thanks, that's the competition I was talking about. I didn't find the video; thanks for posting. You can see improvement in their unison since the Russian Cup Video. They train with Mozer's team.
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I noticed that they were pretty good for a new team on their first outing.

Anastasyia Mukhortova caught my attention in 2016, when she skated in a military uniform, to a famous song by (now dead) first Soviet times rock star, Victor Tzoy, a song called "Kukushka" (in this programme, sang by Polina Gagarina famous from Eurovision) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_C3iCAzy4E
 
oleada said:
Not sure if anyone remembers skater Anastasia Mukhortova, who did pretty well as a single skater in novice/junior a few years ago before suffering injury. Her jumps were always fairly small. She switched to pairs and won a local competition in Moscow with 152.34. Her partner is Dimitri Evgeniev. It's only their first full competition together. They only did 2Tw and had some lift issues, but also attempted 3F(e, negative GOE), 3S+2T+2T (+GOE), 3STh (+GOE in both programs) and 3LzTh (-GOE). She'll be 16 in May and her partner is only 17 so they have a few years of JGP eligibility though it's a tough field in Russia right now. Both are new to pairs.

ETA: An old video of their SP from the Russian cup (their only other competition; didn't do the FS):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zyWamqDrCY
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The junior pairs are quite full, but not impossible to break through. There have been some splits (Atakhanova retired due to health reasons, Kvartalova/Sviatchenko and Labazina/Rakhmanin split up, Mishina/Galliamov will move to seniors, Poluyanova/Sopot and Kudriavsteva/Spiridonov are aging out from juniors) so from established junior pairs there is now only Panfilova/Rylov, Akhantieva/Kolesov, Kostiukovich/Yalin and Pepeleva/Pleshkov. There have been a few new ones that have done pretty decently at the junior nationals and the Russian cup final and show potential, but they are not fully established yet so there could be a few spots open for junior grand prix for the next year. I really liked Mukhortova/Evgeniev, but they will need to upgrade their difficulty. Triple twist is essential for Russian junior pairs. But they are very nicely synchronised, one wouldn’t recognise that it is a relatively new pair. Well done to them. They are really watchable.
 
Is anyone else watching Russian novice nationals? Tutberidze got herself a gold medal in younger novice girls (Zhilina) and gold and silver medals in younger novice boys (Fedotov and Kolesnikov). Her girls are also in good position to fight for gold in older novice girls (at the moment they are at 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th place after elements and SP; FS is tomorrow). Her older novice boys are not quite there yet, ‘only’ 4th and 7th after elements and SP; FS tomorrow).
 
hanca said:
The junior pairs are quite full, but not impossible to break through. There have been some splits (Atakhanova retired due to health reasons, Kvartalova/Sviatchenko and Labazina/Rakhmanin split up, Mishina/Galliamov will move to seniors, Poluyanova/Sopot and Kudriavsteva/Spiridonov are aging out from juniors) so from established junior pairs there is now only Panfilova/Rylov, Akhantieva/Kolesov, Kostiukovich/Yalin and Pepeleva/Pleshkov. There have been a few new ones that have done pretty decently at the junior nationals and the Russian cup final and show potential, but they are not fully established yet so there could be a few spots open for junior grand prix for the next year. I really liked Mukhortova/Evgeniev, but they will need to upgrade their difficulty. Triple twist is essential for Russian junior pairs. But they are very nicely synchronised, one wouldn’t recognise that it is a relatively new pair. Well done to them. They are really watchable.
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Yes, I don't think breaking through is impossible, but they definitely need a triple twist if they want to do that. Russia can also use extra spots, since they are hosting a JPG next season. I imagine Kostiukovich/Ialin (if they don't move up), Akhanteva/Kolesov, Panfilova/Rylov and Pepeleva/Pleshkov will all likely get two events, which is 8 spots. I would think Visloboka/Bryukhanov will also get an assignment, maybe Mukhametzyanova/Mironov. But a lot can change over the summer.
 
hanca said:
Is anyone else watching Russian novice nationals? Tutberidze got herself a gold medal in younger novice girls (Zhilina) and gold and silver medals in younger novice boys (Fedotov and Kolesnikov). Her girls are also in good position to fight for gold in older novice girls (at the moment they are at 1st, 2nd, 4th and 7th place after elements and SP; FS is tomorrow). Her older novice boys are not quite there yet, ‘only’ 4th and 7th after elements and SP; FS tomorrow).
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Are there videos out there?
 
oleada said:
Russian fed is posting the videos on their YT channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia/videos
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and here is the score board
https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/mlvozr1819/index.htm

Please note, when you see that each venue has 3 segments (not just SP and FS), it means there is "Elements" included as a 3rd segment. "Elements" is when each girl has to do 1 3X jump, 1 combo jumps, footwork/sequence and spins. The jumps get 2 tries (like gymnastics). Each element is scored individually, and then added up for final score.
 
BittyBug said:
A lot can happen in the interim - growth spurts, injuries, other talent emerging. Who would have predicted Samodurova would be Euro champ and on the world team? Or that Kostornaia would miss Junior Worlds with injury?
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Very true! And had Konstantinova not struggled at Euros so much, they might have sent her to Worlds. Not to mention Tuktamysheva had a rocky several years and is now reigning GPF bronze medalist.

clairecloutier said:
Here is the FSGossips translation of that Popova/Mozgov interview. It's pretty :lol::watch:
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They’re hilarious! I love them, they’re just crazy, sassy, and entertaining.

BittyBug said:
Exactly. In ladies it's almost more the exception that success at the junior level leads to success in seniors.
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Yes. I remember Maxim Trankov said that teams who win everything in juniors rarely do well in seniors, because it takes so long for pairs to develop between junior level and senior level. (With the exception of Sui/Han and Gordeeva/Grinkov, all the dominant pairs I can think of either teamed up in seniors or struggled in juniors and peaked later).
 
If anyone would like to watch the FS (final) for the Russian Nationals Novice LIVE, here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s4fG8g4EHY

It starts at 10:00 o'clock Moscow time. FS Men, then FS Ladies.

Score board general page
https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/mlvozr1819/index.htm

FS Men - https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/mlvozr1819/SEG003.HTM
FS Ladies - https://www.fsrussia.ru/results/1819/mlvozr1819/SEG006.HTM

These pages (with names) google-translate, names look right in english.

In the Total Results you will see 3 scores and 3 columns. It's because the 1st segment of competition is "Elements" (like "figure-8" but only for jumps/footworks/spins as individual elements.)
 
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Tinami Amori said:
In his skating days, skaters received nothing at all, and he (Yags) and few other skaters had to collect beer bottles and cans (to sell them to recycling centres)
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:) Maybe it is funny, but I'm not sure Yagudin meant himself, even though he said "we collected beer cans". It's OK if Yagudin did it too, but it seems it is Plushenko who usually tells about looking for empty bottles on streets together with his mom (to sell them to recycling centres). Yagudin usually tells he had no vacant hours: if Yagudin wasn't at school or at training, his mom made him jump at an outdoor rink, at nights she made him do his homework (not in evenings - later - maybe "mornings" is the right word in English).

Yagudin mentioned Plushenko indeed in this post:
"Oh boy!!! How awful!!! We were offered neither salaries nor training camps, nothing!!! Somehow we are still alive and well?!?!? @tatianatotmyanina shared one pair of shoes with her mom, they slept in the building of a factory in Perm, putting a few chairs together to make a bed! @plushenkoofficial and @marininmax came from Volgograd and had nothing to eat! We collected beer cans! Now they say 30000 are not enough....... #sport #victory #contemporarylife P.S. One should work - and the fruition will come, including money!!!!!"
https://www.instagram.com/p/BvCiP-lnqKm/

Even the author of the original interview came to Yagudin's instagram to explain, that Betina and Sergei didn't complain. Yagudin answered him: "There is no hate!!! When one doesn't want something to be published, he can just say nothing about it! Talking about earnings is a bit tactless"
 
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Videos from Russian Nationals Novice.
FS - first 8 videos on the site, are the top 8 girls, and they all are quite good.
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFSRussia

Final standings
1) Valieeva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k9yYLutyB4 (Sambo-70/Tutb)
2) Akatieva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE0tfM5tGbI (Sambo-70/Tutb)
3) Samodelkina - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEesTF1krk (CSKA/Davydov)
4) Khromykh - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVY99Ljuy1A (Sambo-70/Tutb)
5) Usacheva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6IKHblr4 (Sambo-70/Tutb)
6) Loboda - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naUI5qFrY3w (Odintzovo/I. Smirnova)
7) Muravieva - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KEoSI_Reuc (CSKA/Davydov)
8) Kisel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4noc4l__pqU (COP/Urmanov)

Did not see anything exciting for Nov. Boys. But the videos are in the original links, below the girls.
Lev Vinocour (CSKA/Davydov), is probably the only exception. He won. the rest of boys looked liked "kids" (imo, of course)
Vinocour FS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sXQxjJLygE
 
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Because I actually don't have anything better to do, I watched the last group. It was quite an enjoyable competition. Valieva is, of course, lovely to watch, and has the it factor in spades, that others don't. But her lutz technique is actually quite frightening and I don't think it will hold up. I think all her training mates have better jumps. Akatieva is lacking in PCS (but she's much younger than Valieva) but her jumps looked better, and she seems to have good speed for a young kid. Kromykh needs a ballet class but her jumps are actually quite good and she's got the beginnings of presentation. For some reason, she reminds me of Tennell a bit. Samodelkina's jump are teeny, like much of Davydov's kids but seems like a fighter. Usacheva was ok - nothing particularly stands out, but everything seems solid. Her skating skills and presentation still need work which is expected at this point.

Veronika Zhilina is actually my favorite, in the younger age group. Her LP was a mess, but she has a lot of natural snap and power to her jumps.

Kamila Valieva, Maya Kromykh and Daria Usacheva will all be JGP eligible in the fall. The others are all too young. Akatieva won't be eligible until 2021, I think.
 
I was thinking the same thing, but then noticed that Rozanov is becoming more individually active in her group, working with Novice and Juniors, while few new coaches are taking over his earlier position of "watching the chickens en masse". She can always hire more specialists, and do the fine tuning with each.

Daria Panenkova is doing more coaching than skating lately, and she said she would go back to Eteri in a recent interview, so maybe she will go back as a coach...
 
Tinami Amori said:
I was thinking the same thing, but then noticed that Rozanov is becoming more individually active in her group, working with Novice and Juniors, while few new coaches are taking over his earlier position of "watching the chickens en masse". She can always hire more specialists, and do the fine tuning with each.

Daria Panenkova is doing more coaching than skating lately, and she said she would go back to Eteri in a recent interview, so maybe she will go back as a coach...
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But it is not only about having enough coaches. They also need to have enough ice time. And the ice mustn’t be overcrowded because otherwise it will affect everyone. Saying that, didn’t Medvedeva ask Putin for another ice pad? Has it been built already?
 
hanca said:
But it is not only about having enough coaches. They also need to have enough ice time. And the ice mustn’t be overcrowded because otherwise it will affect everyone. Saying that, didn’t Medvedeva ask Putin for another ice pad? Has it been built already?
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somewhere it was mentioned that "new rink will or is being built", where/when/how... i have no idea. also, it pops into mind that the talks were "Tuberidze's group stays at Khristalny, and other coaches plus "kids groups" will go to the new one". this is nothing certain, just something stuck in my mind from "bits and pieces" of info.
 
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