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I don't even remember Lambiel fans 
From Russia with Love [#33]: Summer 2019
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Lambiel's Fans and the bells did not bother me. Labiel haters and jokers did bother me quite a bit..
morozombie.blogspot.com
Lambiel is like no other....
There is nothing more disgusting than hating or ridiculing a skater/coach for being the best and winning too much.
THE TRUTH ABOUT LAMBIEL.
CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, CAN WE?! Don't be fooled by that accent or be blinded by those costumes! Resist the perfidy of that PLASTIC SURGE...
morozombie.blogspot.com
There is nothing more disgusting than hating or ridiculing a skater/coach for being the best and winning too much.
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That link actually made meLambiel's Fans and the bells did not bother me. Labiel haters and jokers did bother me quite a bit..
Lambiel is like no other....THE TRUTH ABOUT LAMBIEL.
CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH, CAN WE?! Don't be fooled by that accent or be blinded by those costumes! Resist the perfidy of that PLASTIC SURGE...
There is nothing more disgusting than hating or ridiculing a skater/coach for being the best and winning too much.
Are you talking about this board or your overall observation? There are very few Alina fans here, and she mostly gets heavily criticized.
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Well, I am on several forums, so it is not only on this one, but even here there is an example of what I am talking about. I am sure you know who I have in mind.
Getting ‘heavily’ criticised doesn’t mean that people here hate her. They just don’t like some aspects of her skating. Besides, I don’t think she is getting more criticised than other skaters, and people have different likes/dislikes. It is still no reason for doing what some individuals are doing. I really liked her skating, but reading this constant trolling is just off putting.
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Precisely. Alina gets criticized for things like not doing enough to earn her high PCS. Satoko gets criticized for small jumps and URs. Kolyada gets criticized for choking at major events. M-T/M get criticized for crappy lifts. P/C get criticized for perceived lack of variety in their FDs. And on, and on, and on and on and on and on and on. If you're a skater, you're going to get criticized as well as praised, and if you're a fan, you'd better learn to deal with it before you get yourself an ulcer.
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Yes, it's a "bi..chy" link, the "hate" is hidden. I don't mind critique of skater's performance, elements, costumes, and on and off the ice behavior. Never minded too much Koola King's videos about "Medvedeva and Zagitova's overs-scoring and URs".That link actually made me
"Hate" against skater are physical threats and wishes, disruptive actions, flooding their social media accounts with negativity, and using profanities. None of the posters on FSU did that, fortunately.
However, outside of FSU, hate against Alina and Eteri, just as i described it, does exist, not just from individuals, but from organized groups. "Stabbing Eteri with a knife" or "Acid in Zagitova's face" or "calling her a prostitute" and "wishing to smash her face", wishing she was dead or injured.... is "hate" as clear as it can be, and border lines "criminal". I've already posted this a few times, but in case some did not see it:
English translations on pages, IG personal Alina's account.
wish to stab Eteri with a knife is also "hate"
many people notice it and try to complain to social media companies..... english speakers..
I understand there are "jokes" about skaters, but not that other stuff...
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^This is no different than messages from trolls/psychos posted under all successful skaters' Instagrams and videos... If anything Medvedeva gets far far more hate from trolls on sports.ru and Zagitova is very popular there (but not amongst Russian skating personalities....).
I think Zagitova criticism here is a bit much and annoying sometimes though, but it's obviously not troll levels....
I think Zagitova criticism here is a bit much and annoying sometimes though, but it's obviously not troll levels....
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Threats against skaters and coaches are always, unequivocally wrong. Period. They're horrible and no one should ever make them or condone them.
But there is no point in saying "People threaten Alina with death!" and dragging a bunch of links over here every time someone criticizes her skating. Critiquing what she does on the ice and threatening her are two ENTIRELY different things, and they shouldn't be conflated.
But there is no point in saying "People threaten Alina with death!" and dragging a bunch of links over here every time someone criticizes her skating. Critiquing what she does on the ice and threatening her are two ENTIRELY different things, and they shouldn't be conflated.
I understand the difference. I chose the word "criticize" and not "hate" myself.
The discussion on this board is far from being dominated by crazy Zagitova fans, that's why I wanted to clarify that you probably talk about other platforms. I personally haven't seen anything extreme yet anywhere, certainly not to the extent that I would stop supporting Alina. To me it is not even on Mao/Yuna level yet, but maybe I am lucky to avoid toxic places.
Maybe you can write directly to these people (haters of Eteri and Zagitova as you say) and not here, and solve your issues with them.
Writing here to make of Eteri and Zagitova victims is useless. We all know that almost all skaters have haters (and fans, of course).
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A lengthy interview with Adian Pitkeev:
matchtv.ru
It is in Russian but maybe there will be a volunteer to translate?
«Я долго пÑÑалÑÑ ÑбиÑÑ Ð² Ñебе ÑпоÑÑÑмена». ÐолÑÑое инÑеÑвÑÑ ÐдÑÑна ÐиÑкеева о жизни до и поÑле ÑигÑÑного каÑаниÑ
ÐÑо пеÑеÑод во взÑоÑлÑе, ÑÑÐ°Ð²Ð¼Ñ ÑпинÑ, ÑÑоки ТÑÑбеÑидзе и ÐÑÑновой, ÑноÑеÑкий макÑимализм и деÑÑÑиминÑÑное ÑÑаÑÑÑе.
It is in Russian but maybe there will be a volunteer to translate?
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I read it a couple of hours ago and, frankly, found nothing really interesting (though I usually like Panina's interviews) - Pitkeev is probably a hard person to get anything out of.A lengthy interview with Adian Pitkeev:
It is in Russian but maybe there will be a volunteer to translate?«Я долго пÑÑалÑÑ ÑбиÑÑ Ð² Ñебе ÑпоÑÑÑмена». ÐолÑÑое инÑеÑвÑÑ ÐдÑÑна ÐиÑкеева о жизни до и поÑле ÑигÑÑного каÑаниÑ
ÐÑо пеÑеÑод во взÑоÑлÑе, ÑÑÐ°Ð²Ð¼Ñ ÑпинÑ, ÑÑоки ТÑÑбеÑидзе и ÐÑÑновой, ÑноÑеÑкий макÑимализм и деÑÑÑиминÑÑное ÑÑаÑÑÑе.
In short: he is coaching, his back is still hurting all the time, it was the reason he retired, he seems to be doing seminars rather than coaching in a certain school (at least that's what I understood from the interview), very interested in music and rock, has a girlfriend, talks very fondly of all of his coaches, especially of Tutberidze. The ice dance was a try to stay in sports after he could no longer jump, but then his leg wasn't functioning. He says the ice dance was a great experience that taught him to glide. His favourite skater is Patrick Chan, hence he was always trying to skate beautifully.
In particular he says Tutberidze teaches her skaters to understand the move/jump - till the tiniest detail - not just jump however, but be in control of every small bone in your body. He says he told a kid something Tutberidze would tell him saying `my mom told me' and only then realized what he said. About beating Fernandez in SP in CoR: I didn't beat him, he lost by making too many mistakes.
He was never invited to any shows, but at any rate he woudlnt' want to be the one carrying a costume around. He prefers to coach and according to him the money is more or less the same.
All and all he makes an impression of a very nice and humble young man who doesn't really want to do interviews
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I read it a couple of hours ago and, frankly, found nothing really interesting (though I usually like Panina's interviews) - Pitkeev is probably a hard person to get anything out of.
In short: he is coaching, his back is still hurting all the time, it was the reason he retired, he seems to be doing seminars rather than coaching in a certain school (at least that's what I understood from the interview), very interested in music and rock, has a girlfriend, talks very fondly of all of his coaches, especially of Tutberidze. The ice dance was a try to stay in sports after he could no longer jump, but then his leg wasn't functioning. He says the ice dance was a great experience that taught him to glide. His favourite skater is Patrick Chan, hence he was always trying to skate beautifully.
In particular he says Tutberidze teaches her skaters to understand the move/jump - till the tiniest detail - not just jump however, but be in control of every small bone in your body. He says he told a kid something Tutberidze would tell him saying `my mom told me' and only then realized what he said. About beating Fernandez in SP in CoR: I didn't beat him, he lost by making too many mistakes.
He was never invited to any shows, but at any rate he woudlnt' want to be the one carrying a costume around. He prefers to coach and according to him the money is more or less the same.
All and all he makes an impression of a very nice and humble young man who doesn't really want to do interviews
Thank you so much for the summary, @TAHbKA
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what's in writing, recorded, documented, and submitted as evidence... are there...
and now you can have a last word.
... will try... in a most politically correct form, when the "ethnic issue" came up (not too often) - it's Alina's "Tatar back ground" and that she is culturally a "muslim". Rodina posted in her IG "Tatars are like mad Chechens, you have to watch out for them"... and etc... and "anti-Alina" crowd picked it up, and went with it... "tatars are sneaky, they are cheats, they'll stab you in the back". (and other, but it is very UN-PC).
So Alina is of Tatar heritage...just like one of my heroes, Rudolf Nureyev.
That heritage should be a great source of pride. Now I’m certain that Alina Zagitova will persist and continue for a long, long time. Artistry can be equal to, or surpass, her technique. Bless her.That’s the second ethnic group in Russia after Russians. I am none too sure Tatar heritage per se is all that known to Alina. She grew up out of Tatarstan.So Alina is of Tatar heritage...just like one of my heroes, Rudolf Nureyev.
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She attends as a guest speaker some Tatar festivals, and she openly states that she is Tatar and from a Muslim culture (not the same thing in former USSR as "follower of Islam"). Many famous people try to hide that they are of other than "russian/slavic" ethnic origin, change their names to make them more Russian, stress only their "russian part of the family", but not Alina. (Averbuch and Gleikh don't hide that they are jewish either, or Sukhralidze that he is Georgian).So Alina is of Tatar heritage...just like one of my heroes, Rudolf Nureyev.
"Proud to be Tatar. Proud to be Muslim".
Алина Загитова: Горжусь тем, что я мусульманка! Татарская нация очень сильна!
Алина Загитова: Горжусь тем, что я мусульманка! Татарская нация очень сильна! 💪🥇⛸ Алина Загитова, 21.07.2018 Сабантуй 2018, Москва 🎬 Полное видео по ссылк...
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Here are translations of a few paragraphs from the Pitkeev’s article.
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...kejeva_o_zhizni_do_i_posle_figurnogo_katanija
About training children and his own coaches.
Q: - Do you allow parents to watch their children training?
A: - Of course, no problem. Their interest is not frivolous. I will leave, and kids will stay. The more people are exposed to remember the right methods, the better will be the results.
Q: - How in general your relationships with parents develop when you teach camps?
A: - Sometimes it is not easy, especially when parents try to actively interfere in the training process. I try to distance myself.
Skaters’ parents, should not be the ones to give too much pity to their kids. They (parents) should be the ones to explain to their child – “If your coach said you’re wrong, it means you are wrong. It means you need to think harder.” If there is a coach in charge, the parent should not be involved. A coach is not your friend or your enemy. A coach is your boss on the ice. Parents give a child life, but it is the coach that gives a child success.
I sometimes want to quote Eteri Tutberidze, and slip to start a phrase with “My mother once said…”. Then catch myself to realize what I am saying…
Q: - How can a short-term training camp help a skater?
A: - At the start of the session I try to verbally explain to children and their parents how my system of training is structured. It’s a working process, directed at results and individual work in a partnership between a skater and a coach. I want to make it clear so there are no misunderstandings or disappointments.
We create a plan, for each day, what we will work on, and I enforce it very strictly. If someone diverts from this plan – and it does happen – there are two solutions to solve the problem. Either a child is moved to a group with lesser demands, or he needs personalized pinpoint work for a while. In later case it is now the child’s duty to comprehend what I am teaching and say.
The working process between coach and athlete is like this: at first a coach and an athlete take their time to meet each other half way (trying to find understanding towards each other), then they join hands move forward towards higher and higher goals. It should not be so that one has to pull the other. If all these conditions are met – then the work is productive.
Q: - What is the wisest advise you’ve received from Eteri Geogrievna?
A: - There are so many, it is hard to single out just one. And none of them where just empty phrases, they imbedded themselves deep in the subconscious. Now I know how to act in any given situation. The same can be said about (advise of) Sergey Dudakova and Elena Buianova.
Q: - Tell us about Dudakov. He is usually in the background, reluctant to talks to the press. What kind of person he is as a coach.
A: - A very good and responsible person. Great coach. A real man. Trustworthy (a man of his word). Does his job superbly. The good results of his pupils speak for themselves.
Q: - Can it be said that Dudakov is a specialist in jump technique?
A: - No, not quite (not just in jumps). You see, that training team is one single mechanism, where each one is responsible for everything. There is no set division of area of influences (responsibilities).
Q: - What valuable lessons you’ve learned from working with Marina Zueva?
A: - She uses very unorthodox methods. She finds the right words, to make you give your “programme character” the right image/expression. Of course, one can’t do it verbatim, but it stays inside your head.
Q: - So the rule that there are no healthy athletes is true?
A: - Exactly. (joke) The life itself in general is dangerous and unhealthy, unless you live a sheltered life: lock yourself up, don’t eat, don’t drink after 6 pm, don’t break any laws. But then life would be no fun (but what’s the purpose of living if you can’t have fun). I am not supposed to do much at all, and yet recently I got on a snow-board. I’ve learned how to glide fast, but to stop I have to fall down. I but I like it.
https://matchtv.ru/figure-skating/m...kejeva_o_zhizni_do_i_posle_figurnogo_katanija
About training children and his own coaches.
Q: - Do you allow parents to watch their children training?
A: - Of course, no problem. Their interest is not frivolous. I will leave, and kids will stay. The more people are exposed to remember the right methods, the better will be the results.
Q: - How in general your relationships with parents develop when you teach camps?
A: - Sometimes it is not easy, especially when parents try to actively interfere in the training process. I try to distance myself.
Skaters’ parents, should not be the ones to give too much pity to their kids. They (parents) should be the ones to explain to their child – “If your coach said you’re wrong, it means you are wrong. It means you need to think harder.” If there is a coach in charge, the parent should not be involved. A coach is not your friend or your enemy. A coach is your boss on the ice. Parents give a child life, but it is the coach that gives a child success.
I sometimes want to quote Eteri Tutberidze, and slip to start a phrase with “My mother once said…”. Then catch myself to realize what I am saying…
Q: - How can a short-term training camp help a skater?
A: - At the start of the session I try to verbally explain to children and their parents how my system of training is structured. It’s a working process, directed at results and individual work in a partnership between a skater and a coach. I want to make it clear so there are no misunderstandings or disappointments.
We create a plan, for each day, what we will work on, and I enforce it very strictly. If someone diverts from this plan – and it does happen – there are two solutions to solve the problem. Either a child is moved to a group with lesser demands, or he needs personalized pinpoint work for a while. In later case it is now the child’s duty to comprehend what I am teaching and say.
The working process between coach and athlete is like this: at first a coach and an athlete take their time to meet each other half way (trying to find understanding towards each other), then they join hands move forward towards higher and higher goals. It should not be so that one has to pull the other. If all these conditions are met – then the work is productive.
Q: - What is the wisest advise you’ve received from Eteri Geogrievna?
A: - There are so many, it is hard to single out just one. And none of them where just empty phrases, they imbedded themselves deep in the subconscious. Now I know how to act in any given situation. The same can be said about (advise of) Sergey Dudakova and Elena Buianova.
Q: - Tell us about Dudakov. He is usually in the background, reluctant to talks to the press. What kind of person he is as a coach.
A: - A very good and responsible person. Great coach. A real man. Trustworthy (a man of his word). Does his job superbly. The good results of his pupils speak for themselves.
Q: - Can it be said that Dudakov is a specialist in jump technique?
A: - No, not quite (not just in jumps). You see, that training team is one single mechanism, where each one is responsible for everything. There is no set division of area of influences (responsibilities).
Q: - What valuable lessons you’ve learned from working with Marina Zueva?
A: - She uses very unorthodox methods. She finds the right words, to make you give your “programme character” the right image/expression. Of course, one can’t do it verbatim, but it stays inside your head.
Q: - So the rule that there are no healthy athletes is true?
A: - Exactly. (joke) The life itself in general is dangerous and unhealthy, unless you live a sheltered life: lock yourself up, don’t eat, don’t drink after 6 pm, don’t break any laws. But then life would be no fun (but what’s the purpose of living if you can’t have fun). I am not supposed to do much at all, and yet recently I got on a snow-board. I’ve learned how to glide fast, but to stop I have to fall down. I but I like it.
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There is a long interview with Tatiana Navka, it google-translates.
www.aif.ru
translation of just one paragraph of her "childhood story".
TN: - 90% of people worry about their appearance. At one point in life all have doubts about their looks - about being too fat, or being too tall. When turned 16-17 i started to gain extra weight. For a skater it is a major problem, more than for regular girls. My coach weighted me on regular basis, and the number on weights did not always made us happy. Sometimes i was locked up in the dressing room for the night, to make sure i don't try to "steal a snack" at night. I was a sucker for sweets back then. Across the street we had a cafe. There they had so many fantastic sweets - the rolls, the chocolate/coco balls. Now, fortunately, i lost the desire for "baked stuff".
Q: - They locked you up?
TN: - Yes, between training sessions they put me in the gym-room, for few hours, and sometimes i slept (inside the training facility) on an old dirty couch with mice and roaches... And that was my diet.
(so said the Olympic, Worlds, European, RN, GPF champion)...
Татьяна Навка: после замужества я стала больше работать!
В то время как у большинства период отпусков, у олимпийской чемпионки Татьяны Навки горячая рабочая пора. Причём в прямом смысле слова – в Турции идёт её ледовое шоу «Руслан и Людмила», где практически все роли исполняют фигуристы – чемпионы мира.
www.aif.ru
translation of just one paragraph of her "childhood story".
TN: - 90% of people worry about their appearance. At one point in life all have doubts about their looks - about being too fat, or being too tall. When turned 16-17 i started to gain extra weight. For a skater it is a major problem, more than for regular girls. My coach weighted me on regular basis, and the number on weights did not always made us happy. Sometimes i was locked up in the dressing room for the night, to make sure i don't try to "steal a snack" at night. I was a sucker for sweets back then. Across the street we had a cafe. There they had so many fantastic sweets - the rolls, the chocolate/coco balls. Now, fortunately, i lost the desire for "baked stuff".
Q: - They locked you up?
TN: - Yes, between training sessions they put me in the gym-room, for few hours, and sometimes i slept (inside the training facility) on an old dirty couch with mice and roaches... And that was my diet.
(so said the Olympic, Worlds, European, RN, GPF champion)...
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If someone is attacking them in an inappropriate way, take up the issue with the attackers. Report them to the police if you feel the threat is real. If someone HERE wishes to stab Eteri with a knife, report the post to the moderators. If someone HERE calls Alina a "prostitute", report to the moderators. I personally have only seen these horrible words coming from you.
Thinking the criticism of one's skating technique, choreography or training methods is somehow related to hate messages is a perception issue. Your personal prism. It's not the FSU issue.
Alina and Eteri are criticized just like everyone else. Michelle Kwan, Tara Lipinski, Sarah Hughes, Yulia Lipnitskaya, Irina Slutskaya, Maria Butyrskaya, Evegenia Medvedeva ALL have received severe criticism for their real and perceived shortcoming.
If someone is attacking them in an inappropriate way, take up the issue with the attackers. Report them to the police if you feel the threat is real. If someone HERE wishes to stab Eteri with a knife, report the post to the moderators. If someone HERE calls Alina a "prostitute", report to the moderators. I personally have only seen these horrible words coming from you.
Thinking the criticism of one's skating technique, choreography or training methods is somehow related to hate messages is a perception issue. Your personal prism. It's not the FSU issue.
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There is a long interview with Tatiana Navka, it google-translates.
Татьяна Навка: после замужества я стала больше работать!
В то время как у большинства период отпусков, у олимпийской чемпионки Татьяны Навки горячая рабочая пора. Причём в прямом смысле слова – в Турции идёт её ледовое шоу «Руслан и Людмила», где практически все роли исполняют фигуристы – чемпионы мира.
translation of just one paragraph of her "childhood story".
TN: - 90% of people worry about their appearance. At one point in life all have doubts about their looks - about being too fat, or being too tall. When turned 16-17 i started to gain extra weight. For a skater it is a major problem, more than for regular girls. My coach weighted me on regular basis, and the number on weights did not always made us happy. Sometimes i was locked up in the dressing room for the night, to make sure i don't try to "steal a snack" at night. I was a sucker for sweets back then. Across the street we had a cafe. There they had so many fantastic sweets - the rolls, the chocolate/coco balls. Now, fortunately, i lost the desire for "baked stuff".
Q: - They locked you up?
TN: - Yes, between training sessions they put me in the gym-room, for few hours, and sometimes i slept (inside the training facility) on an old dirty couch with mice and roaches... And that was my diet.
(so said the Olympic, Worlds, European, RN, GPF champion)...
You really do enjoy stories of skaters being abused and deprived of food, don't you? Congratulations on being the most sadistic person I've ever known.
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Don't start with "red herring". it's not about "criqique" of skating or skating related matters, or discussions on forums. It's about organized groups which engage in cyber attacks and creating situations outside of cyber-space.
Nobody here used any profanities on Alina. I said so earlier. The words "prostitute" came from accounts and people that are "medvedeva fans". The person who is most responsible is already being looked at.
There is a difference between "internet fan wars", which do include bitchy comments, and trolling, and "organized actions" against a skater.
Alina is only a subject of such because she won Olympics, and "keeps beating someone's favorite". Alina has not said or done anything to deserve hate, trolling, and actions against her. Any critique of her skating, costumes, or performances IF DONE with purpose related to skating, and not to "troll for sake of trolling" or "creating an atmosphere of negativity as an agenda", has never been an issue.
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Congratulations of being the most un-accepting of the fact that in other countries/cultures people think/act differently. You're "north American way" of what's right or wrong, is yours, but not others'.
Navka speaks of her past with "fun flavor". It's up to her to decide what's sadistic or not, and not up to you...
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Yes, it is. That's what FSU is all about. That's what we do here. But you keep breaking in with "BUT DEATH THREATS!" when we're trying to do it. Why don't you start a thread just for the threats and then we can keep them separate from the skating critiques?
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Why don't you stop suggesting nonsense. Threats of physical harm to skaters do come up in regular conversations. It's unfortunate such happens.
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Very unfortunate. All the more reason they should have a dedicated thread to discuss them. Obviously that's your decision to make, not mine, but that would be my suggestion so that they could be taken with proper seriousness.
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Well, lets hope they won't happen again, or any uncalled negativity that is not skating or skating-issue related, and there is no need for a topic or mention..
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I do not know about other people. But I know that YOU personally incite hatred against Medvedeva. Your actions may actually put Medvedeva, a real human being, in harm's way if some nutcase takes up your "cause." You are catering to those people you claim to despise. You are the one with "organized actions" against the skater.
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I just wanted to interrupt this discussion to remind everyone that the First Family of Russian Tennis is also Tatar.
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Here's a bunch of pictures, because there can really never be too many
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