Chinese Skating News, Pt. 4: Fresh Noodles for Milan 2026

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Even though Luan Bo came back from retirement after the Olympics and most of her skaters except Wang Yihan and Zhao Wantong are still pretty young, some of her skaters are able to perform very difficult elements in their programs. There are 2 pairs in her team can perform very difficult forward outside death spiral perfectly in their programs although they can only do the double jumps at this moment.

It would be interesting if the death spiral will become one of the strengths for Chinese pair skating in the future.

Man, P/J's really deserved to be invalidated. Not that I mind, but holy, the difference between that and the others is so evident.

I have no questions or comments on Luan Bo's skaters. The record is excellent when it comes to the actual skating. I just pray there are no injuries, as with S/H.

Also, you haven't said anything about Xu/Fu - but if they're still willing to coach, then I hope they take up Chen Yudong, Fang Shuai, Peng Zhiming, promising young male skaters, now that Jin's at TCC. Not that I know how the entire provincial team thing works, but I think the Chinese men need high difficulty jumps. Yan Han's skating skills hardly got any credit. Xu/Fu can teach the jumps.

Well, just a few weeks ago, you were unsure if we would see skaters at Asian Open because of conflict with Nationals ;) Fingers crossed for Nini.
 
Man, P/J's really deserved to be invalidated. Not that I mind, but holy, the difference between that and the others is so evident.

I have no questions or comments on Luan Bo's skaters. The record is excellent when it comes to the actual skating. I just pray there are no injuries, as with S/H.

Also, you haven't said anything about Xu/Fu - but if they're still willing to coach, then I hope they take up Chen Yudong, Fang Shuai, Peng Zhiming, promising young male skaters, now that Jin's at TCC. Not that I know how the entire provincial team thing works, but I think the Chinese men need high difficulty jumps. Yan Han's skating skills hardly got any credit. Xu/Fu can teach the jumps.

Well, just a few weeks ago, you were unsure if we would see skaters at Asian Open because of conflict with Nationals ;) Fingers crossed for Nini.
At least, Luan Bo doesn't force her skaters to do the crazy quad throw and quad twist like what she did to Sui and Han when they were juniors, it would be fine. Training a difficult death spiral could be a much more positive and healthy option to be more competitive.

I don't think Chen Yudong will change his coach because Li Wei has already coached him since he was a little boy.

Xu/Fu is still in team Beijing, they are coaching nearly all of the male single skaters in the Bejing century star skating club. Peng Zhiming's family is not rich as I know, and I don't think he can afford the cost of training under Xu/Fu.

I think why China suddenly sends a lot of skaters overseas is that the Chinese government has finally loosened the covid protocol, and China will offer a close-loop ice rink for the skaters who come back from other countries to practice.
 
Wait, where is Chen Yudong training? I thought it very much was Beijing Century Star. Well, we'll see with him. He's pretty much next in line, but he needs a higher level quad now. I hope he can reconsider his coach, who's done a decent job, but tbh Jin and Yan were both ahead of him at the same age in one regard or the other (and that with him even getting the opportunity to train with Raf for a bit).

I guess "nearly all of the men's single skaters" at Beijing Century Star includes Zhang He. Sad to hear Peng might not be able to afford better coaching, he's got jumping talent, surely something can be done? I think he's "Team Guangdong", isn't he?

I think why China suddenly sends a lot of skaters overseas is that the Chinese government has finally loosened the covid protocol, and China will offer a close-loop ice rink for the skaters who come back from other countries to practice.
And good for them! I love to watch Chinese jumps and throws lol. May it stay open. Good.
At least, Luan Bo doesn't force her skaters to do the crazy quad throw and quad twist like what she did to Sui and Han when they were juniors, it would be fine. Training a difficult death spiral could be a much more positive and healthy option to be more competitive.
Yeah, especially with quads still being undervalued now. A throw 3F, a throw 3Lo, and a FoDs should be enough tech, with a quad twist under belt in training in case it's needed.
 
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Something odd’s happening with Nini, after doing so well (top gp) at her one JGP event in Poland1.
Also the guy (Chen?) who won a medal after a great FP.
Maybe they’ll show up in Golden Spin, Santa Claus, etc?
 
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Please someone tell me there's evidence that W/L are in Japan right now lol

They are. I can't post the link right now but I'm pretty sure I saw them in the background of a Muramoto / Takahashi's practice photo today. Shiyue was wearing a pink & yellow dress that I assume is for the RD.

ETA: The photo mentioned above is the 5th photo of this post
 
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They are. I can't post the link right now but I'm pretty sure I saw them in the background of a Muramoto / Takahashi's practice photo today. Shiyue was wearing a pink & yellow dress that I assume is for the RD.

ETA: The photo mentioned above is the 5th photo of this post
Huh. You guys' eyes are much sharper than mine. "Pink blob" and "black V neck" is what I get out of that, but I suppose that second part is where the clue is.
 
They used nicknames, there

大柳 is Liu Xinyu's nickname (Big Liu, but also literally Big Willow lol)
玥玥 is just the third character in Wang Shiyue's name repeated (王诗玥), so "Yue Yue"

I've seen a nickname for W/L as a team that I've forgotten.

Others:

天天 is Jin Boyang's childhood nickname (Tian Tian), also sometimes called ? because of homophony between the third character and the character for sheep
东东 Dong Dong for Chen Yudong

江哥 is Jin Yang's nickname, Brother Jiang, because the way his name is pronounced sounds close to "Jiāng" when you say it quickly
? is Peng Cheng's nickname, because they are both chéng, homophony again
So they are called ?gold because Jin means gold.

Cōng 聪 and 葱 (onion) are both homophonous lol, for Han Cong
桶妹 (bucket sister) for Sui Wenjing, I think because of her figure? So Sui/Han are sometimes called 葱桶 to make them "onion bucket" lol

I hope I got these right :lol:
 

Zhang/Yang's programs from the recent club league are in rather terrible quality on youtube (and yeah, guess I missed them, seems like they were very much training and still together haha), but these outings from last season show their quality very well. I also had hopes for Wang/Huang, but they split up.
 
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Wang / Liu's interview post NHK: https://weibo.com/5665302995/MfLHX7rFB

A quick translation by me:

Q: How do you feel after the FD?

A: We finally finished the first competition of the season, overall we actually feel quite relaxed. You can also see that our programs are still rough and we've shown various big or small problems in the competition. We've also seen many things to improve. After the competition, both we and the coaches will get a lot of feedback and come up with a lot of new ideas. There are things that are not fitting and things that need to be improved. We don't have time for program modification before Espoo next week, but we'll have changes after the Grand Prix.

Q: About the music selection

A: Marie-France picked the music. At first, we thought of a lot of themes that suit us. Shiyue discussed with the coaches and selected some films. In the end, Marie-France thought Batman might be a better choice since she already had the story and movements in her mind at the thought of this theme. This music is powerful and fits our style well.

Q: About the ChAJ at the start

A: At the beginning we had a ChAJ that was choreographed a long while ago and we'd practiced that move for a long time. However, we were not too happy about that. Then, less than ten days before leaving for NHK, Marie-France suddenly said that the jump you used to have to enter the straightline lift was very pretty and it was a good idea to use it again. And we agreed. That move used to be our entry to the lift and it fits our program this time too so we made the change.

Q: Were there a lot of revisions during the choreographing process?

A: There were many, but we really didn't have enough time. We arrived in Montreal late and other teams had already started competing. We wanted to start the preparation quickly as well, however, Shiyue was concussed due to an accident in training. We only had few weeks to train and she had to rest for two weeks. It's like there's a big meal that others take 3 hours to finish, yet we have to stuff the whole thing in us in just 30 minutes, which hurt us a lot. Since we resumed high intensity training without time to prepare or adapt, there were a lot of injuries during the process. For example, Xinyu suffered from periostitis in his foot. And during one training, we both so wanted to do well that we crashed into each other accidentally, Shiyue fell and was left concussed. She carried on training for another two days before going to the doctor because she felt really unwell. She was diagnosed with concussion and the doctor didn't allow her to keep training, she had to rest for more than a week. And during the recovery, the doctor only permitted her to increase the training time bit by bit, 30 minutes for the first day, 1 hour for the second day etc. This happened at the end of September. While Shiyue was resting, Xinyu trained alone, improving the technique and sustaining the stamina. Since we pushed ourselves too fast, we had injuries like Xinyu's foot and Shiyue's knee, plus the concussion. It really wasn't easy.

Q: About the psychological impact and adjustment

A: We just thought we couldn't give up, as we also saw various reports, including that our Chinese teammates withdrew due to injuries. We thought that if we withdrew too, there wouldn't be any Chinese skaters on the GP. Actually this is a nice chance for us since the country (note: I assume they meant the Chinese Federation here) had managed to put us in the last two GPs, which is also what we wanted. The coaches, on the other hand, thought it'd be better if we took it easy - if we could do it, try to do our best, if we couldn't, let's think about the next step, but we still needed to do our job. We thought we were very fortunate to have the opportunity to train abroad thanks to the Winter Sports Administrative Center of General Administration of Sport of China. Since the country (note: I assume they meant the officials here) trusted us so much, we couldn't disappoint them. We had to overcome the difficulties and work hard.

Q: About the goals and expectations of this season

A: Honestly, we don't have many goals or expectations now. We are happy with our performance this time but competitive sports are about the scores. We are satisfied and proud of ourselves, yet we were really not so happy and even shocked to see our score. We hadn't had such a low score for, probably about three or four years after Pyeongchang. However, at least we know how much effort we've made, both on and off ice. Actually we were very unhappy yesterday, but this is only the first competition of the season and our score is understandable too. So eventually we feel proud of ourselves for returning to compete. After returning to Montreal this time, we added a lot of off-ice training, sometimes on weekends, and also Pilates and ballet training and we are more muscular than before. We're doing all of these to get the feel on ice back soon since skating alone is not enough. We've arranged a lot of other kinds of training to make up. Overall, we are quite happy this time and we've shown the level in training. We still need to pay attention to many details.
 
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Cup of China is scheduled to come back next year. CFSA is now looking for the potential host in China.
Well it makes sense because it's sending skaters out again now. If the lockdowns persist, how do you think this will be organized? Via the closed loop you were suggesting Chinese skaters are getting? If so, I imagine it'll be in Beijing rather than Chongqing.
 
I think ISU clearly wants the Chinese market, hence them taking a risk with Shanghai 4CCs as well. I guess we'll know. Hey, maybe the venue will be Shanghai.
 

Cup of China is scheduled to come back next year. CFSA is now looking for the potential host in China.

On March 1, 2022 they announced they were looking for the host for 2022 Cup of China too and you've seen what has happened since then.

I won't believe it until I really see it.

I think ISU clearly wants the Chinese market, hence them taking a risk with Shanghai 4CCs as well. I guess we'll know. Hey, maybe the venue will be Shanghai.
I was actually thinking about this last night, and I suspect the ISU wants the host feds for next season to have locked in their venues and plans before Worlds 2023. They don't want to face another situation like they did this past year where they were scrambling to find a host, especially for CoC, at the last minute. They're also not going to want an empty venue situation like we had with the Olympics (the last major ISU event where this was the case, by the way). If the CFSA doesn't have this firmed up in another 3 months, I won't be surprised if the ISU pulls CoC and offers it up to the other feds. Same will certainly be true of Russia, which was also provisionally assigned to host a GP next season.
 
There are 2 signs which can decide whether CoC can be held next year:

Asian Games and Universiade were scheduled to be held this summer but have to postpone because OAC and FISU don't allow China to hold these games in close-loop management and demand that China should completely open to the public and accept full spectators, and China doesn't approve and has to postpone these game to the next summer. If Asian Games and Universiade next year can be held on time with full spectators, I don't think CoC could be canceled.

Politically and economically, the current regulations of Covid-19 in China have already caused many troubles. Recently, the Chinese government has finally loosened the covid-19 protocols and regulations to some extent for boosting the local economy and cooling the people’s anger. Many cities have now stopped mass-testing every day and there are even rumors saying that China will keep loosening the regulations and completely open the borders in the second half of 2023. Let's see whether it will happen.
 
I do not realistically see China hosting anything next season. World media is reporting a spike in COVID cases this week, along with citizens rebelling against the lockdowns. It is the same story that has been on repeat for almost three years.

Now that other smaller nations have so successfully hosted big events such as Estonia and Great Britain (Finland already had experience doing this), the ISU now knows it has other options - and hopefully it uses them.

China has not been a powerhouse in skating for a long time so I don't believe that the ISU is losing anything from its absence.

Russia will be in the wilderness again next season - exactly where it belongs.
 
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