From Russia With Love (No 32): Spring to Summer 2019

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Perky Shae Lynn said:
I noticed that a lot of Russians hide their babies' faces in social media posts. At least for a while. Whatever the reason, it's certainly not for us to judge. :rolleyes:

ps. Bobrova looks fabulous.
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Old Russian "hide from the evil eye" superstition, first 40 days you do not show your child to anyone but close family.
However, some did research on the roots of this old tradition and found some links to possible negative health and effects of too much social exposure issues. I do not recall such practice back in "soviet days", i started seeing it later into 1990's (and it was an old pre-Revolution practice in villages and with very religious people), and as far as i know now, with my circle of relatives/friends/associates in Russia, not everybody practices it (not too many educated/professional people at least).

https://uroki4mam.ru/pochemu-nelzya-pokazyvat-novorozhdennogo-40-dnej

If other Russians have different info and experience with "hiding baby for 40 days", share your info by all means...
 
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Tinami Amori said:
Old Russian "hide from the evil eye" superstition, first 40 days you do not show your child to anyone but close family.
However, some did research on the roots of this old tradition and found some links to possible negative health and effects of too much social exposure issues. I do not recall such practice back in "soviet days", i started seeing it later into 1990's (and it was an old pre-Revolution practice in villages and with very religious people), and as far as i know now, with my circle of relatives/friends/associates in Russia, not everybody practices it (not too many educated/professional people at least).

https://uroki4mam.ru/pochemu-nelzya-pokazyvat-novorozhdennogo-40-dnej

If other Russians have different info and experience with "hiding baby for 40 days", share your info by all means...
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Remember when mothers used to have to 'lie in' in a dark room - without fresh air, SFAIK?
 
Ka3sha said:
First pic of the happy parents with their newborn son
https://www.instagram.com/p/BwteCFslEGj/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=8mf9httf8n0r
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Aww! They look so happy, and of course she looks gorgeous.

starrynight said:
I think that keeping things as private as you can is also a good way to not invite all of the arm chair critics into the most personal aspect of your life. There's something about anything to do with children and pregnancy that makes people (particularly women) think they can say anything to a person they don't know.

For example, there's a big kerfuffle on twitter because someone took exception to something that was written in the book Meagan was reading in her announcement photo (cause they'd read the online Amazon review LOL) and then marshalled the twitter trolls to @ Meagan about it.

So then apparently, they decided that Meagan is anti-vaxxer because of something written in the book. Meagan just responded to say that she is going to have the baby vaccinated and she didn't write the book, was just reading it and asked people to stop spreading rumours. But by that point, the (probably disappointed) tolls weren't going to take that for an answer and just kept going.

So unfortunately, the same bunch of self-appointed pregnancy police are probably just going to be waiting to make any comment they please on everything Meagan eats, does, thinks, reads .... This kind of behaviour in people (and people do it in real life too) is something I just cannot stand. I'm sure anyone who has had a child or knows someone who has had a child has plenty of examples of this kind of unsolicited aggressive *advice* from total strangers.
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I completely agree. In addition, I think the skating fandom has become very overreactive lately (more than usual). Meagan has unfortunately never been popular amongst the skating fans (she tends to share her opinions freely, which gets some people riled up), and I think they’re just looking for more reasons to hate her right now. Say what you will about her but I think this anti-vax drama is unwarranted.
 
@Mad for Skating Unwarranted - yes because it was entirely made up and fabricated. I guess this is how rumours start I suppose? But I think the default position of a troll is that they dislike everyone and just want to create chaos. I suppose the only funny thing was that some of those trolls literally spent up to 2 to 3 hrs of their day on it, so.... But they do drive me nuts because they wrap up their online bullying in a layer of sickenly thick self righteousness.
 
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starrynight said:
@Mad for Skating Unwarranted - yes because it was entirely made up and fabricated. I guess this is how rumours start I suppose? But I think the default position of a troll is that they dislike everyone and just want to create chaos. I suppose the only funny thing was that some of those trolls literally spent up to 2 to 3 hrs of their day on it, so.... But they do drive me nuts because they wrap up their online bullying in a layer of sickenly thick self righteousness.
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Exactly! It’s simply ridiculous. The scary part is that I think some (not all) of the people think they’re doing the right thing. The smarter trolls act self righteous, as you said, and convince people to follow their opinion, which is a very twisted version of what actually happened.
 
Trainer Panova confirmed that she will be keeping Anastasia Tarakanova in her group.
https://www.championat.com/other/ne...vozvraschenie-tarakanovoj-v-svoju-gruppu.html

"I and another trainer in our group, Tatiana Viktorovna Moiseeva decided to work with Nastya (Anastasia) on regular basis.

We had a talk with Nastya. I see that she has learned to restrain her emotions. Regarding the quad jumps, certainly, she will be learning them."
 
Sylvia said:
So this means they will split their training time between Estero, Florida and Moscow?
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No, I think that means that on paper they will have two coaches and in reality none. They will be living in Moscow, have distance coaching from Zueva (same way as Tarasova coached Asada while Tarasova was in Moscow and Asada in Japan), and very unmotivated/minimal coaching from Mozer.
 
Here's a short comment from Evgenia:
We didn't part our way with Maxim [Trankov], he stays with us and will come to America from time to time. He will be a part of our team
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Sylvia said:
So this means they will split their training time between Estero, Florida and Moscow?
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They didn't specify anything, but based on Evgenia's comment I'd say that they are moving to Florida
 
This is an interesting decision for T/M. I'll feel much better about it if they do in fact move to Florida, which would indicate they'd be full-time with someone, as opposed to spending a lot of time by themselves in Moscow. For Marina, she has no other top students right now, so theoretically she has time to devote to T/M. And they'll probably get better programs from her than from the Mozer camp. We'll have to see how this develops.
 
I hate Zoueva for dance, but her lyrical style could really work for T&M. This is promising. I just wish Mozer would decide if she is officially in or out. I want a permanent situation for them until the next Olympics.
 
hanca said:
No, I think that means that on paper they will have two coaches and in reality none. They will be living in Moscow, have distance coaching from Zueva (same way as Tarasova coached Asada while Tarasova was in Moscow and Asada in Japan), and very unmotivated/minimal coaching from Mozer.
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I read this with google translate, but it sounds like they are moving to the US.

https://rsport.ria.ru/20190429/1553160558.html?in=t
 
Cherub721 said:
I hate Zoueva for dance, but her lyrical style could really work for T&M. This is promising. I just wish Mozer would decide if she is officially in or out. I want a permanent situation for them until the next Olympics.
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Well, her choreography didn’t do that well for Lipnitskaya. She tried to make you something Lipnitskaya wasn’t, and Lipnitskaya then struggled with the program for most of the season.
 
Coco said:
Well, Lip was struggling before that program. Hard to blame Zoueva.
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The program was definitely not helping. If you have a skater who started struggling with the jumps, the best strategy would be to make her a program that feels comfortable to her, rather than a program that is supposed to increase her artistic range but everyone can see that is is not a comfortable experience for the skater.
 
Who was it that predicted Zueva? I thought she was more likely than Szolkowy (because the Russian Fed would prefer to hire Russians), but I thought maybe they would have wound up with Dmitriev or Vasiliev. Gordeeva/Grinkov are one of my all time favorite pairs, so if Zueva can recreate even if percentage of that success I'd be happy for T/M.

From what I can tell, the Russian fans are mostly taking it okay. Only a few are shouting doom and gloom, because T/M going to America a year after Med went to Canada and they're afraid of them causing a mass exodous. But those are just the young people who weren't around for the 90s. :p
 
Amy L said:
From what I can tell, the Russian fans are mostly taking it okay. Only a few are shouting doom and gloom, because T/M going to America a year after Med went to Canada and they're afraid of them causing a mass exodous. But those are just the young people who weren't around for the 90s. :p
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Nobody even cares (on Russian sites) where they will be training, as long as it is a good coach for them, not one word of "judgement" about "America's location". As it was never an issue with any Russians training outside of Russia.

The typical comments on the Russian sites about T/M moving to USA/Zueva, here are few examples. I can't "board-cross" and post quotes from Russian sites, but here are few translations.

- It is their (T/M's) chance to match up to Chinese. Zueva does good work.
- Evegniya Tarasova would love Florida, she is an outdoors girl.
- Bless them and best of luck, go for Gold in 2022.
- Zueva made programms for Denny/Freizer, and it was one of their best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABWZfrYYSZ0
- It will be nice for them there. and Zueva is a responsible professional, if she takes something, she'll finish it well.
- Katya Gordeeva is there in USA too, maybe she can come over and help..
etc....

Med's situation was not about training in "North America", really.... ;) It's not what you do, it is "how and why"..
 
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Video interview with Stanislava Konstantinova for www.fsrussia.ru (in Russian):
https://www.fsrussia.ru/intervyu/43...chu-dolgo-katatsya-i-sovershenstvovatsya.html

To sum it up: She talks about her season, about her training since the Universiade and studying at university. She talks about the new programs "February" for the SP and "Moulin Rouge" for the FS. Moulin Rouge was her idea. She wants to be consistent with her triples and feels that can be enough for now, but she has been working on the 3A and she doesn't exclude she'll go for it or other difficult jumps in the future. She wants to keep on skating an be competitve for a long time.
 
Well, it's a pretty gutsy move on Zoueva, Tarasova, & Morozov's part if you ask me. Gutsy on Marina's part because these two are not natural performers; yet people will expect her to somehow drag them to the top level performance-wise since choreography & performance are her strengths. Gutsy on Tarasova & Morozov's part in that they are moving to a different country to train with a coach who A. is likely to push them in their performance ability and yet they will B. still need to be keeping their technical development strong. If you're T&M, though, looking at going after an Olympic gold medal against Sui & Han (should S&H stay healthy), well, that second mark is a big deal. I totally wasn't expecting this move, but I can see how T&M got there.
 
Tinami Amori said:
Nobody even cares (on Russian sites) where they will be training, as long as it is a good coach for them, not one word of "judgement" about "America's location". As it was never an issue with any Russians training outside of Russia.
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There was absolutely a few people on a VK board doing the whole woah is me, they're all leaving Russia bit. Though most of the criticism I've seen is about Zueva because she didn't do anything for SinKats, so why bother with her. But that situation was completely different :blocjudge

- Evegniya Tarasova would love Florida, she is an outdoors girl.
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They both seem like beach people. Poor ginger Vladimir is going to need a year's supply of sunscreen or he'll become a human lobster.

- Katya Gordeeva is there in USA too, maybe she can come over and help..
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I'm all for that, but I don't think Gordeeva really has much of a personal or professional relationship with Zueva anymore. Not much beyond wishing each other well and saying nice things about each other in interviews. She did watch T/M practice and invited them to her home for dinner once. Part of the caption reads 'I wish you would be more confident in yourselves!" Which I think is definitely true, and what I think is part of their artistry problem. They are charming and can present to an audience... in galas. They look completely different and full of nervous pukeyfaces in competitions, but I don't know what Zueva can do about that, unless she knows some good sports psychologists.
 
The Zoueva programs that I've seen getting pretty much unanimous praise have all been Pairs programs, so that's a great start. She also knows how to work the classic Russian style.

Perhaps Charlie White will pay a visit and given some assists on expression. It might be easier coming from a former Ice Dancer.
 
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