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Ok, I understand your logic now.I consider them judges too. Some do both a lot. Go from tech panel to judging panel and wear many hats. They are all really the same people.
Ok, I understand your logic now.I consider them judges too. Some do both a lot. Go from tech panel to judging panel and wear many hats. They are all really the same people.
You do realize that H/D hadn't even been skating together for a full year yet at that point?
I find H/D one of the most fluid teams in ice dance.I didn't know that, but I still kind of stand by my comment. They're both incredibly stiff as individual dancers.
I didn't know that, but I still kind of stand by my comment. They're both incredibly stiff as individual dancers.
interesting...legs look good...too bad about the shoulder and the brain.Meanwhile, Victoria posted this today.
Indeed such a shameinteresting...legs look good...too bad about the shoulder and the brain.
It will be interesting to see how this season's junior teams do as seniors next season... Parsons, M/C, L/D, and I think Abachkina/Thauron too?The Transition: Post 6
Following up on my earlier posts observing the teams transitioning from juniors to seniors.
Updated Challenger, GP, & Major International scores for this season (in order, top scores at the top). Additions since my last update are in bold:
Pogrebinsky & Benoit—Tallinn Trophy—total: 167.81, SD: 65.94, FD: 101.87
Pogrebinsky & Benoit--Nebelhorn Trophy--total: 155.20, SD: 63.06, FD: 92.14
Pogrebinsky & Benoit--Rostelecom--total: 153.92, SD: 62.93, FD: 90.99
Lauriault & Le Gac—European Championships—total: 152.4, SD: 61.48, FD 90.92
Pogrebinsky & Benoit--Skate America--total: 151.76, SD: 58.18, FD: 93.58
Lauriault & Le Gac--Trophee de France--total: 150.07, SD: 57.37, FD: 92.7
Lauriault & Le Gac—NHK Trophy—total: 149.99, SD: 58.21, 91.78
Lauriault & Le Gac--Autumn Classic--total: 143.60, SD: 55.46, FD: 88.14
Evdokimova & Bazin—Golden Spin—total: 142.96, SD: 56.8, FD: 86.16
Evdokimova & Bazin--total: 133.37, SD: 55.83, FD: 77.54
Kuzmich & Sinicyn—Golden Spin—total: 129.38, SD: 46.18, FD: 83.22
Biechler & Dodge--Lombardia Trophy--total: 127.76, SD: 52.04, FD: 75.72
Bent & Razgulajevs--Ondrej Nepela Memorial--total: 121.22, SD: 48.30, FD: 72.92
Sales & Wamsteeker--Autumn Classic--total: 112.52, SD: 46.76, FD: 65.76
Lee & Kam—Four Continents--total, 112.42, SD: 44.57, FD: 67.85
Bent & Razgulajevs--U.S. International Classic--total: 112.10, SD: 46.22, FD: 65.88
Fedyushchenko & Kitteridge-Nebelhorn Trophy--total: 110.90, SD: 42.26, FD: 68.64
New Observations:
Lauriault & Le Gac earned 56.43 for their SD at Worlds (@5 points below their SB) and just missed the FD cut, finishing 21st. They end the season with the second strongest record for a transitioning team.
Kuzmich(ova) & Sinicyn earned 51.02 for their SD at Worlds and finished 26th. They earned 47.16 for their SD at Europeans, finishing 26th as well so Worlds was an improvement. (They also went to Junior Worlds this season where they finished 9th with a total score of 134.12 and an SD score of 53.93).
Lee & Kam earned a 112.42 total for their performance at 4CCs, 16 points below their score at 4CCs last year. This year's performance included a fall.
For reference, last season's Personal Best scores for transitioning teams included the following:
152.72 Lauriault & Le Gac-#5 at the JGPF
146.83 Pogrebinsky & Benoit-#4 at Junior Worlds
142.32 Biechler & Dodge-#3 at Austria JGP, #5 at U.S. Junior Nationals
138.42 Bent & Razgulajevs-#2 at Colorado Springs JGP, #9 at Junior Worlds
137.60 Evdokimova & Bazin-#3 at Riga JGP, #10 at 2015 Junior Worlds
129.28 Lee & Kam-#4 at Bratislava JGP, #14 at Junior Worlds. (These two technically moved up last season at 4CCs, but skated the rest of their international season as juniors).
128.91 Kuzmich & Sinicyn-#11 at Junior Worlds
122.87 Sales & Wamsteeker-#6 at Austria JGP, #4 at Canadian Junior Nationals
101.73 Fedyushchenko & Kitteridge-#24 at Junior Worlds, #10 at JGP Logrono
IMO. how well the Parsons do is dependent on how P/B and H/B fare in the fall competitions and GP series. If all teams skate well , I'm guessing that P/P and H/B will be fighting for that fourth spot at USA Nationals with P/B and M/C duelling out for sixth. Sadly I think C/M will sink in the rankings like the Titanic
And I wonder if all three top American team stay in for the next Olympic cycle to 2022, how that will affect the newish senior teams coming up from juniors. Just contemplating that makes my head ache.
I agree with the Parsons comment. Even as juniors, I don't see anything special and therefore can't label this team as "the one to watch"... In my point of view, Carreira/Ponomarenko are the only junior US team right now that are capable of winning an Olympic medal in the near future. I think Pogrebinsky/Benoit are doing pretty good, considering it's their first season as seniors.Parsons won't do well IMO considering who's still skating for USA.
Thauron & Angélique won't fare well IMO. She's getting to big (tall) for him.
They just are craptacular Junior teams. All current junior teams are craptacular IMO compared to the senior teams.
Jean-Luc Baker and his partner are on the up but stand no chance compared to the current top 3.
I wouldn't count out Pogrebinsky/Benoit, either. The advantage they have is their size. They're so tall, it just automatically makes them look more like a senior team. Which I bet is partly why Igor moved them up so soon.
I wouldn't count out Pogrebinsky/Benoit, either. The advantage they have is their size. They're so tall, it just automatically makes them look more like a senior team. Which I bet is partly why Igor moved them up so soon.
Its possible that Carreira/Ponomarenko were a factor, and this turned out best for the both of them(C/P getting a world medal and P/B getting the pewter at nationals) although I don't think it was the main motivation. I actually think that aside from P/B's senior look, M/C and Parsons staying junior convinced them to move on. I believe P/B were actually originally signed up for Chesapeake Open at the junior level, and I heard that they were originally planning to stay junior until they heard that the WISA teams were too, weighed their options, and decided that they might as well try to make the leap to seniors and get some experience. Which has certainly worked out for them.I don't disagree with the fact that their height and power made their transition to senior easier, and may have been a factor in moving them up. In fact, at 2016 Nationals, I thought that P/B had the most senior look to their skating (even compared to the Parsons, and MacNamara/Carpenter). But in terms of Igor's motivation, he may also have been wanting to clear the way at the Junior level for Carreira/Ponomarenko to make a move, since they're also his team.