The Dance Hall, Part 4: To Helsinki & Back -- Seeking Rhumba Magic ...

[QUOTE="Le jeune homme et la mort would be a fantastic idea for P/C.[/QUOTE]
challenging - one must cigarettes and gallows :rolleyes:;)
 
MarieM said:
Too late. If they wanted that, it should have happened last season. Now is way too late.
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Yes, they wasted 4 seasons but is it really too late? I don't think so. They're not getting any younger, but they are still quite young. If they want to win medals again, they gotta start ASAP. They have to set goals. Looking at it right now, PyeongChang is gonna be a bit of an outside shot for them, but they could definitely do Beijing. With the right programs, I think they have a good shot at being the #1 Russian dance team and possibly win Olympic medals again.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
Interesting. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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La La Land doesn't really make sense to me with what Alex said at the press conference about their program (it will be about his and Maia's unique journey and a lot of thought has gone into it, etc). But I did wonder if CB got wind of the rumors (I saw them on tumblr and I know some of the younger Novi skaters are on tumblr) and that's why they announced when they did.
 
elif said:
Not this stupid thing again. :lol: I hated when Del/Scho did it in 2010, I hated when Virtue/Moir did at 2014. This is most lame free dance idea you can ever choice. :lol:
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Welcome back from your FSU hiatus. Glad to see the Shibs inspired you to make your come back.
 
CassAgain said:
In the pairs parallel universe, I thought Sui and Han's Our Journey program to Bridge over Troubled Water program worked very well.
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Me too. So did Fix You which was about...Maia and Alex's unique journey. And I loved That's Life which was about....Maia and Alex's unique journey. I probably didn't phrase it well above, but I interpreted what he said to mean it would be a program they would be uniquely qualified to skate because of their journey, not necessarily a career retrospective. It just reinforces that they like to do personal dances. VM's FD this year was also supposed to be about their journey, and PC's FD last year was deeply personal to them.
 
MarieM said:
Too late. If they wanted that, it should have happened last season. Now is way too late.
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I don't see Elena succeeding with Nikita again and I don't want them to reunite (I am in minority I guess). The truth is that I was never fawning over them when they were together though either. Katsalapov is just too shaky and regressed very much as well. He's worse than ... Zhiganshin. And I don't even delve into his questionable conduct & behaviour issue.
 
Areski said:
I don't see Elena succeeding with Nikita again and I don't want them to reunite (I am in minority I guess). The truth is that I was never fawning over them when they were together though either. Katsalapov is just too shaky and regressed very much as well. He's worse than ... Zhiganshin. And I don't even delve into his questionable conduct & behaviour issue.
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I'm with you, Areski. I never found I/K to be as captivating as other skate fans. They were certainly easy on the eyes, but I thought their skating was just so much schtick and over-emoting. Even the Swan Lake program was mostly posing with much less techncial content compared with teams ranked below them. (Yeah, I get it; you can stand on your ice picks and make like a ballerina en pointe :rolleyes:. Now let's see what you can do on edges, please). I would have placed P/B of France and W/P of Canada ahead of them overall. But politicks carried the day. Such a shame.
 
suki said:
I'm with you, Areski. I never found I/K to be as captivating as other skate fans. They were certainly easy on the eyes, but I thought their skating was just so much schtick and over-emoting. Even the Swan Lake program was mostly posing with much less techncial content compared with teams ranked below them. (Yeah, I get it; you can stand on your ice picks and make like a ballerina en pointe :rolleyes:. Now let's see what you can do on edges, please). I would have placed P/B of France and W/P of Canada ahead of them overall. But politicks carried the day. Such a shame.
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I respectfully disagree. It's interesting to see differences in opinions. I'm not a big fan of Classical Russian programs, but I/K's Swan Lake to me was the Star of Sochi. It had everything. Drama, technical difficulty, and quality. I remember them doing about 5 positions in one lift (note the time limit). Spins and twizzles were so fast, they looked like they overdosed on sugar. As much as I LOVE Tessa and Scott, I/K really stood out and to me, they had the best FD in the Olympics. I definitely do not think politics carried the day... The fact that I/K won medals at that level says something... They were a force to be reckoned with.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, check this out.
 
suki said:
I'm with you, Areski. I never found I/K to be as captivating as other skate fans. They were certainly easy on the eyes, but I thought their skating was just so much schtick and over-emoting. Even the Swan Lake program was mostly posing with much less techncial content compared with teams ranked below them. (Yeah, I get it; you can stand on your ice picks and make like a ballerina en pointe :rolleyes:. Now let's see what you can do on edges, please). I would have placed P/B of France and W/P of Canada ahead of them overall. But politicks carried the day. Such a shame.
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I'm with you two as well. Never cared for them together. After they split, I came to like Elena a lot and dislike Nikita a lot :) I'd much rather have seen PB take bronze (or WP, I'm not picky). I never got why they were romanticized as the great lost hope of Russian ice dance.
 
AquaLady said:
I respectfully disagree. It's interesting to see differences in opinions. I'm not a big fan of Classical Russian programs, but I/K's Swan Lake to me was the Star of Sochi. It had everything. Drama, technical difficulty, and quality. I remember them doing about 5 positions in one lift (note the time limit). Spins and twizzles were so fast, they looked like they overdosed on sugar. As much as I LOVE Tessa and Scott, I/K really stood out and to me, they had the best FD in the Olympics. I definitely do not think politics carried the day... The fact that I/K won medals at that level says something... They were a force to be reckoned with.

For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, check this out.
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WELL SAID. :40beers:
 
I think something is really going on with I/K. TSL tweeted a TBT post of the "reigning Olympic bronze medalists." Indirect message after that deleted tweet?
 
Susan M said:
Well, actuially, they did. V/M were only 2nd in the FD. Yes, element errors cost more than slips on the in betweens. Deal with it; it actually does make some sense. It has been that way for decades, even before ijs.
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Some falls that aren't on elements do often cost some skaters more than others. You can make sense out of whatever you wish to defend. There's all kinds of factors and occurrences in figure skating. That's why results are endlessly debatable, although what's done is done and the scores will not change. And this situation is not the most egregious ever seen. I am not talking about Scott's mistakes in isolation either, but the overall ice dance event. Whatever, it happened. Fans are gonna disagree with results, agree with outcomes, defend scoring, be offended by scoring, and so on... Some fans deal, others rant, others make excuses for the judging, even while some fans are annoyed when others don't 'deal' exactly the same way they do. :p

lauravvv said:
:rolleyes: Sorry, but with your posts you are just proving over and over again what zilam98 and princeton123 said. Some of Virtue/Mor fans may be overly sensitive, but it's not like you are without fault. You have been doing everything in your power to provoke them.
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:rofl: It don't take anything for some V/M fans to get ticked off. They are in constant 'get ticked-off readiness mode.' :lol: It's rather rich to see some fans being so self-righteous at the same time their egos are piling on someone else's OTT ego. :p That's why I'm in such awe of those fans who refrain from these shenanigans, which are often irresistible to refrain from because it's an emotional business following figure skating. :drama:

Certainly, I went on my rant and I will go on other rants because I am opinionated and passionate about the sport. I don't apologize for that. And I definitely don't apologize for telling it like I see it re the ice dance judging outcome in Helsinki, Scott's errors in the FD, and the intentional attempt to take down the Shibs by the tech panel. Sorry to all those thoughtful lovers of ice dance, and those generous and kind V/M fans who don't deserve a figurative punch in the face. :D The rest of youse (including trollish posters) can just suck it up like Scott/Tessa, Pap/Ciz, Hub/Don, the Shibs, C/D, and indeed all the skaters have done or are in the process of doing if they plan to continue competing in this tough, unfair, and unforgiveable sport.

I do not go on rants in order to provoke anyone. Everyone has control over their own behavior. It's one thing to allow buttons to be pushed by differing opinions of others that trigger emotions, and because you are overprotective and fanatical about your fave skaters. It's another to eagerly engage in stirring things up on this forum, which some posters seem to enjoy. It also appears to be the case that some fans are easily offended by anything and everything. And then it's quite another thing to simply feel moved to express one's passionate feelings because the sport is often so unfair that it sucks, big time.

BTW, I am always the first to own up to my faults. But many others who have an ax to grind and a beef to butt heads about always skip over what they ain't interested in acknowledging that doesn't give them enough fodder with which to tar and feather. And so it goes... :watch:
 
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msmandaskates said:
What I found most interesting after Worlds was the complete lack of mandate as far as American dance hierarchy goes. I thought it would be Canada with an unclear order, that GP would get very close to WP, but instead US dance next year is anyone's guess.

- The Shibs kept their national title and stayed on the World podium, but they lost a lot of levels, came close to losing their national title to CB, and owe their bronze at Worlds to Zach Donohue's toepick. The Latin rhythms for next year might be a hindrance as well, but their twizzles are flawless.

- Chock and Bates are relatively consistent, but haven't been able to capitalize on the best chances to move back up. They lost to HD at the GPF and would have finished third of the US teams at Worlds if not for HD making an e en bigger mistake.

- Hubbell and Donohue had the most upward motion of the three teams this season, and nearly won bronze despite being a third-ranked team, but this is the second time this season that a fluke fall has cost them a chance to solidify their upward trajectory. The Latin SD will suit them best next season, though.
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Very interesting, yes. But that's because all three U.S. teams are simply very good and very competitive with one another. The situation in Helsinki was made tougher on the three U.S. teams by the obvious attempt to push up B/S and push down the Shibs by examining them with a microscope in the SD. The unexpected outcome after the SD with the close marks for a bunch of teams added tension for everyone in the FD, but especially for the U.S. teams whose pecking order had been thrown awry. And then factor in the usual nerves and the slippery ice. The calmer and more technically precise Shibs prevailed in the end.

Everything has become tighter in any case for the U.S. teams because of the great depth and excellence in U.S. ice dance. Let's hope that favoritism, politics, and judging preferences do not substantially affect outcomes next season as these U.S. teams fight to be on the top at U.S. Nationals.

AquaLady said:
For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, check this out.
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I/K both have fiery, emotional personalities, and they were developing into being the best Russia team over B/S. And that was a Morosov Swan Lake skated in Russia. If it was up to the Sochi audience, I/K would have won gold. :lol:

Now that the gambit to move B/S up for the Olympic year did not make enough headway, maybe there is a desperate effort underway for an I/K reunion? :duh: I just think so much water has passed under the bridge. If I/K were felt to be the OGM 'promised land' team, RusFed should have demanded that I/K stay together three years ago. Come on strong like Chinese Fed, eh? "You will be partners or you won't compete, period." Didn't that boat already leave the dock, never to be found again or effectively re-captured? :drama:

chapis said:
It is me or the forum looks different? I don´t like it.
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It's a different look which is hard to adjust to at first because it's different, and we've gotten used to the way it was before. The way it was before was hard to get used to when it was new, and then it became familiar. :)

Check out the "New Style" thread in Board Business to learn more.
 
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princeton123 said:
The only way this works is if Elena and Nikita have actually matured and shown emotional growth in the last 3 years.

Although there's really no evidence of this, so IDK.
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I agree. More power to them if they've grown and learned and are able to work past their issues but if not... I don't want to see them get back together, it wouldn't be a healthy work environment.
 
flippedstargirl said:
I agree. More power to them if they've grown and learned and are able to work past their issues but if not... I don't want to see them get back together, it wouldn't be a healthy work environment.
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Looking at this season, Nikita is far from having matured. From his shenanigans in Marina's camp, to the crazy idea of engaging in a relationship with one's partner (I know this is a personal judgment but you'd think after such a tumultuous relationship with Elena, he would do everything in its power to minimize any kind of tension. Going out with one's partner is the surest way to mess everything up imo), to his technical regression and finally to the lack of combativeness during competition cf twizzles disaster at Euros, Nikita is still the volatile Nikita.
Elena, I couldn't say but she sure didn't skate to her potential this year. It seems she tends to coast on training and physical preparation. Those two together, trainwreck in the making. Could be entertaining though ...
 
I've to admit that I would hate seeing them together again. IMO, Elena deserves better than Nikita. Nobody seems to know if it's true or not and the only "proof" there seems to be is a deleted tweet, which could mean it's either true and people don't want to announce it yet or it's untrue. If true my main concern is Ruslan, he more than Viktoria is the collateral damage in this scenario and his career has been basically destroyed because of Nikita's bad decisions.
 
Russian forums are saying (IMO it's all rumors) that Ruslan is too injured to skate :( They are saying that Vika was having tryouts left and right (but didn't get the names with google translate).
I think they are the ones who did create this rumor of Elena&Nikita reuniting.

Elena has lost ground this season by being way way oversized and having problem getting back in shape. Does she still have that fire in her?
Nikita is too sure of himself and yet, with a descent partner (Vika), he was the one not skating to potential and letting in go.
How do you go form oly bronze medal to nothing is really amazing :(
 
topaz said:
Sorry, nope I don't want Elena and Nikita to get back together. It was a horrible relationship, both were miserable most of the time during their skating career.
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The problem with I/K was that both of them had such fiery personalities and when you put fire and fire together, it creates an explosion. Their partnership literally exploded... But the upside to that is the fact that they had undeniable chemistry... Even better than that of S/K and I/Z's combined. The question now here is how unhealthy was I/K's partnership really? It ended horribly, but while it lasted, I'm pretty sure there were great moments too. Check this vid out and tell me. Around 3:00.
 
What is the supposed situation with Ruslan's injuries?? Don't remember hearing much about that.

I'm definitely among those who don't want to see I/K back together. If the rumors about Nikita are true, I don't know if it's a good idea for anyone to skate with him. And if this latest rumor is true (I.e., getting back with Elena), he may have destroyed 4 partnerships with good potential because of his immature selfish behavior (first I/K and S/Z, then I/Z and S/K). That's pretty outrageous. This would be I/K's THIRD round as partners and there's nothing to indicate it would work out any better this time. It's too bad because Nikita's a very talented skater (twizzles aside), but it just seems obvious he doesn't have the temperament necessary to be successful at this job.
 
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