Karen-W
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Well, next week, I have a feeling, we're going to be saying that Elyce also deserves that SkAm host spot she got. I'm crossing my fingers BOTH Sarah & Elyce wind up with 2 GPs in the end.
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Speaking of Gracie's Firebird program...Sarah Everhardt just did wonderfully with her Firebird program...1st in the long and 2nd overall (to Amber Glenn's 1st) at Lombardia. Way to go Sarah!!!
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Correction: Sarah Everhardt was 2nd in the long (and overall). I only looked at the technical portion of the score. I agree with the judges giving Amber the edge in the PCS score.
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AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
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Karen-W
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Nope, Amber was 1st in the FS - by about 5 points. Sarah was 2nd in the FS, 2nd overall.Speaking of Gracie's Firebird program...Sarah Everhardt just did wonderfully with her Firebird program...1st in the long and 2nd overall (to Amber Glenn's 1st) at Lombardia. Way to go Sarah!!!
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Glenn was first in both the short and the long, and even her PCS were a hair above Sakamoto’s in the FS.
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Reading your excitement about Amber's win is half the fun. I'm cautiously optimistic for her for this season. Go Amber!
I am optimistic about Amber's season too. She has two beautiful programs and is skating with a new found confidence! That was the most composed that I have ever seen her!
ITA. Not flawless, but she was able to get herself together after both the sal and flip mistakes and land the next jump rather than having a domino effect. Great start to the season for her!
Sarah didn't so anything last season to warrant getting two GP events. In fact Elyce had a better international season then Sarah did.
If I were US Skating, I would get on the phone right now with Elyce and say, "I am so sorry but we are going to have to give the Skate America spot to Sarah Everhardt. After all, she was the Pewter Medalist at US Nationals (she should have been the Bronze Medalist) and you were 10th. Sarah has been 1st or 2nd at her 1st two Senior Events this season (she beat Kaori the World Champion) and she has now earned the Skate America spot but don't you worry, something will open up for you soon Elyce."
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I don't think Chicago has to be cutesy I just think there was too much going on and was not reading correctly.
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Kaori beat herself with that bizarre jump layout lol
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Congrats to Sarah and Amber nice to see two solid skates from both of them!
AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)
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She wasn’t given a chance, USFSA kept glossing over her, even with her good performances, especially at nationals. It’s like if your name is not Tammy last year your students didn’t get priority IMO
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I agree she should have SA
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I can't think of any better way to put the weight of the world on Sarah Everhardt's shoulders than to withdraw another skater from a Grand Prix assignment to substitute her.
She has had two awesome skates and placements, but she's still relatively inexperienced internationally, has only a 3T+3T combo, and is still getting some rotation and edge calls (q and ! this time).
She may well end up with a second Grand Prix naturally, without the type of chaos, scrutiny, and inflated expectations that a forced substitution would bring.
She has had two awesome skates and placements, but she's still relatively inexperienced internationally, has only a 3T+3T combo, and is still getting some rotation and edge calls (q and ! this time).
She may well end up with a second Grand Prix naturally, without the type of chaos, scrutiny, and inflated expectations that a forced substitution would bring.
Everhardt is an interesting case. She has the ability to get great height on her jumps, but this looks to dissipate as she goes through the program. She’s got a wrap that sneaks in on the last rotation with a bit of a lazy free leg and sometimes lands in a Mirai sort of way. I could see a strict caller having a field day with her jumps if she’s not on top of her technique completely. Surprised she got away with just the 1 q today. But that lutz at the start was chef’s kiss. Beautifully done.
I think cleaning up the air position would benefit her greatly (but, like, I’m sure her coaches know this). It will be interesting to see how she fares the remainder of the season.
I hesitate to say this, but Amber looks good. Really good. And the most telling to me is that she didn’t seem surprised at skating this well, this early in the season. I find the FS music a little snoozy and the choreo maybe generic (though she skates it well), but a couple more good skates and medals and we all know the huge PCS will come no matter what the choreo is. My expectations are high for her this season.
I think cleaning up the air position would benefit her greatly (but, like, I’m sure her coaches know this). It will be interesting to see how she fares the remainder of the season.
I hesitate to say this, but Amber looks good. Really good. And the most telling to me is that she didn’t seem surprised at skating this well, this early in the season. I find the FS music a little snoozy and the choreo maybe generic (though she skates it well), but a couple more good skates and medals and we all know the huge PCS will come no matter what the choreo is. My expectations are high for her this season.
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There's a difference between feeling that she should have been assigned to SA, and thinking that someone else should first be announced and then withdrawn for her to take their place.
Was there some magic deadline that USFS had to meet to not wait until the Lombardia results were final?
Was there some magic deadline that USFS had to meet to not wait until the Lombardia results were final?
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Top Senior Scores (International)
1. Amber Glenn, 212.89
2. Sarah Everhardt, 201.90
3. Elyce Lin-Gracey, 193.99
4. Isabeau Levito, 193.81
5. Starr Andrews, 164.89
6. Sonja Hilmer, 151.43
7. Clare Seo, 147.66
8. Wren Warne-Jacobsen, 141.63
1. Amber Glenn, 212.89
2. Sarah Everhardt, 201.90
3. Elyce Lin-Gracey, 193.99
4. Isabeau Levito, 193.81
5. Starr Andrews, 164.89
6. Sonja Hilmer, 151.43
7. Clare Seo, 147.66
8. Wren Warne-Jacobsen, 141.63
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Sarah’s poker face mirrors Peggy Fleming’s face. She spoke with her movement. No need to show teeth and ooh-aah face. As Dick Button used to say about Peggy’s competitors: “No need to be a Diana Dors on Ice!” (Figure out who is Diana Dors because I had no friggin’ idea back then until Dick made that comment!)
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Although I agree with folks that Sarah deserves a second Grand Prix assignment and as much as I dislike how Tammy’s skaters have historically received preferential treatment, it makes sense for the United States to develop a strong women’s team not reliant on one skater. Before giving Elyce the host spot, there was a difference of about 3 points separating Sarah and Elcye. Furthermore, coming into the season, Elyce won a Junior Grand Prix medal, a Challenger medal, and placed within the top eight at Four Continents. Giving Elcye the host spot not only sets her up well for two assignments next season but also, in the case that a skater withdraws, Sarah is at the top of the call sheet. This bodes well for having more U.S. women on the Grand Prix next season and it will develop a strong, healthy competition among them as well. Right now, we could be looking at Alysa, Amber, Bradie, Ava, Lindsay, Sarah, Isabeau, and Elyce all with two assignments next year which will make for an interesting and exciting Olympic season.
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What part of the following do people here who think Sarah should have gotten the SkAm Host TBD spot not understand?
1) The GP Alternate selection process has changed this season and now it goes in straight priority order instead of the groupings of 10 from which the GP hosts can select whomever they want when a vacancy occurs.
2) Challenger medalists are added to the GP Alternates List or, if they were already on the SB Top 75 from last season and thus on the GP Alternates List and they improve that score from last season, their new score moves them up the GP Alternates List.
3) As a result of #2 above, Sarah, who was sitting all the way down at SB 72 (3rd from last on the GP Alternates List), bumped herself up to 1st position when she won CS Cranberry Cup Int'l.
4) Elyce was much higher on the GP Alternates List by virtue of her SB 44 (originally 4th position behind Yuna Aoki - removed after she was assigned to NHK's host spot for her 2nd assignment; Minchae Kim - who got 1 assignment when Ava Ziegler WD and 1 of the SkAm spots vacated by Lee & You when the KSF suspended them; and Nella Pelkonen - who got a 2nd assignment when Ava Ziegler WD).
5) Elyce dropped behind Sarah after CS Cranberry Cup, however her score kept her in 2nd position, right behind Sarah for any vacant GP spots.
6) Assigning Elyce to SkAm is, strategically speaking, a perfectly fine decision by the USFS and won't hurt either skater in the long run.
Sarah is still in line, ahead of Elyce, to get a 2nd GP first. If, next week, at Nebelhorn, Elyce tops Sarah's score from this week at Lombardia (the new SB from this 2nd Challenger should update for Sarah), then Elyce will move ahead of Sarah on the GP Alternates List. I can just imagine most of the same posters who are staking out this ground that Sarah should have been given the SkAm host TBD spot, will be in here lamenting that the USFS really should have waited until after Nebelhorn and given it to Elyce! And they'll be wringing their hands at how Elyce might miss out on a chance of qualifying for the GPF if she doesn't get a 2nd GP somewhere else.
The thing is, this isn't likely to wind up as another Ava situation where she sat on the GP Alternates list getting passed over by host feds who didn't want a clearly talented, rising star like Ava at their GP where she may medal or, at the very least, displace their own skaters. That was one of the most aggravating things to witness last season, the way some host feds bent over backwards to bypass Ava for skaters who were much further down the SB Top 75 list but able to be selected because of the "groups of 10" process. The GP host feds have very obviously followed the new selection process and I'd be very surprised if Sarah, and probably Elyce, doesn't wind up with 2 GPs when it's all said and done this fall.
There is only 1 USA woman at SCI, GPdF and CoC - and I won't be surprised if the FFSG decides to not use their GPdF host spot on a French woman (neither Mazzara nor Mayindu did well at Lombardia, and while we haven't seen Meite - she didn't even make the SB Top 75 last season and may not ever be fully back from her injury). If I'm the USFS, I really like my odds of both Sarah & Elyce picking up a 2nd GP and I'm fine with it if they each only have 1 since this is the first full season at seniors for both of them.
1) The GP Alternate selection process has changed this season and now it goes in straight priority order instead of the groupings of 10 from which the GP hosts can select whomever they want when a vacancy occurs.
2) Challenger medalists are added to the GP Alternates List or, if they were already on the SB Top 75 from last season and thus on the GP Alternates List and they improve that score from last season, their new score moves them up the GP Alternates List.
3) As a result of #2 above, Sarah, who was sitting all the way down at SB 72 (3rd from last on the GP Alternates List), bumped herself up to 1st position when she won CS Cranberry Cup Int'l.
4) Elyce was much higher on the GP Alternates List by virtue of her SB 44 (originally 4th position behind Yuna Aoki - removed after she was assigned to NHK's host spot for her 2nd assignment; Minchae Kim - who got 1 assignment when Ava Ziegler WD and 1 of the SkAm spots vacated by Lee & You when the KSF suspended them; and Nella Pelkonen - who got a 2nd assignment when Ava Ziegler WD).
5) Elyce dropped behind Sarah after CS Cranberry Cup, however her score kept her in 2nd position, right behind Sarah for any vacant GP spots.
6) Assigning Elyce to SkAm is, strategically speaking, a perfectly fine decision by the USFS and won't hurt either skater in the long run.
Sarah is still in line, ahead of Elyce, to get a 2nd GP first. If, next week, at Nebelhorn, Elyce tops Sarah's score from this week at Lombardia (the new SB from this 2nd Challenger should update for Sarah), then Elyce will move ahead of Sarah on the GP Alternates List. I can just imagine most of the same posters who are staking out this ground that Sarah should have been given the SkAm host TBD spot, will be in here lamenting that the USFS really should have waited until after Nebelhorn and given it to Elyce! And they'll be wringing their hands at how Elyce might miss out on a chance of qualifying for the GPF if she doesn't get a 2nd GP somewhere else.
The thing is, this isn't likely to wind up as another Ava situation where she sat on the GP Alternates list getting passed over by host feds who didn't want a clearly talented, rising star like Ava at their GP where she may medal or, at the very least, displace their own skaters. That was one of the most aggravating things to witness last season, the way some host feds bent over backwards to bypass Ava for skaters who were much further down the SB Top 75 list but able to be selected because of the "groups of 10" process. The GP host feds have very obviously followed the new selection process and I'd be very surprised if Sarah, and probably Elyce, doesn't wind up with 2 GPs when it's all said and done this fall.
There is only 1 USA woman at SCI, GPdF and CoC - and I won't be surprised if the FFSG decides to not use their GPdF host spot on a French woman (neither Mazzara nor Mayindu did well at Lombardia, and while we haven't seen Meite - she didn't even make the SB Top 75 last season and may not ever be fully back from her injury). If I'm the USFS, I really like my odds of both Sarah & Elyce picking up a 2nd GP and I'm fine with it if they each only have 1 since this is the first full season at seniors for both of them.
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Careful Karen you are making sense.
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For the host skate America spot?
As you just told me earlier today, host federation spots are not bound by any ISU rule or regulation so I only skimmed all of your points.
Nationals, Sarah was fourth, should’ve been third possibly and I believe Elyce 10th
The fact that Sarah has won the cran and second at the Lomb and beaten the world champion. I mean what else does she have to do?
And an International panel of judges are giving her stellar PCS in her first year senior
And also, I think that Sarah has Grand Prix final potential in her first year. Completely and truly. And because of that, I don’t want to hope that maybeeeee a skater drops out of skate Canada or France. I will risk my CVS running out of Halloween peanut butter cups, but I won’t risk this.
And the fact that after she had such a stellar nationals performance, USFSA basically said too-da-loo to her. See ya next year toots, dont call us, we’ll call you. Lol
on a side note these Trader Joe’s overnight oats, pumpkin spice are really good
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I won’t because I said they should’ve given to Sarah weeks and weeks ago regardless of Nebelhorn
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I’m sure that Sarah will get her just assignments soon enough. She did an amazing job today, besting the three-time World Champion (as did Amber, of course). I believe that it’s all in higher powers. Just wait and see.
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Precisely - they can do whatever they want - so, they could have assigned Sonja Hilmer to that SkAm host TBD spot if they wanted.For the host skate America spot?
As you just told me earlier today, host federation spots are not bound by any ISU rule or regulation so I only skimmed all of your points.
Who cares? That was nearly 8 months ago. All of the women who were in the SB Top 75 were included in the Cranberry Cup skate-off, regardless of their Nats placement.
But, if you want to take a look at their 2023-24 season results, I'll be happy to indulge you.
Cranberry - Elyce 4th 162.58, Sarah 6th 161.11
JGP Istanbul - Elyce 4th - 179.16
JGP Gdansk - Sarah 6th - 168.69
JGP Yerevan - Elyce 2nd - 176.11
CS Warsaw Cup - Elyce - 3rd 177.50
US Nats - Sarah 4th 193.37, Elyce 10th 173.11
4CCs - Elyce - 8th 173.98
Sarah's Nationals result was, clearly, an outlier based upon her results up to that point in time. Elyce hadn't really had a break-out competition like that with a 190+ score until this year's Cranberry, but her overall international results were solid and steady - and she won the silver medal at her 2nd JGP. Should those results and her clear improvement since last winter go unrewarded just because she had one really poor competition at 2024 Nats?
That's a pretty rich notion coming from the biggest Amber Glenn uberfan around. Look how long it's taken her to start producing results despite implosion after implosion and more opportunities than any of us care to count.
Well, the SkAm host TBD decision was made before either Sarah competed at Lombardia this week or Elyce competes at Nebelhorn next week, so the Lombardia results are irrelevant.
Sarah won Cranberry by 2.5 points - and Elyce beat her by 4.5 in the SP. Yes, Sarah made up the difference in the FS but this wasn't some slam dunk win, no matter how you would like to characterize it as such by adding in the Lombardia results to bolster your rather weak argument.
Just an FYI - Elyce received higher PCS in both the SP and FS at Cranberry.
Also, technically, this is their 2nd senior season - both of them competed at Cranberry last season - see my review of their int'l results from last season above.
Well, by your logic, Elyce also has GPF potential in her first full year as a senior. Look at her upward trajectory in score from last season to August. It's similar to Sarah's.
Having said that, their GPF potential is a stretch if you're looking at just their Cranberry results, which is what the USFS was basing the SkAm decision upon. Last season, Sarah's 196.42 would have earned her bronze at SkAm, silver at GP Espoo, or bronze at NHK. Elyce's 193.99 would have earned her silver at GP Espoo (heh - and both would have knocked your girl off that podium). 2nd & 3rd at two GPs may slide in for the GPF but it also may not, depending on how the rest of the results shake out - and also, generally speaking, GP scores tend to be lower than Challenger scores which means, realistically, placements in the 4th-6th range are more likely than podium finishes for either Sarah or Elyce.
As it is, you are being incredibly selfish about this in favor of one skater over another who has demonstrated that she is equally deserving of a GP assignment. And you're losing sight of the bigger picture. This is the season where they are setting themselves up (both of them) to be contenders for the Olympic team next season. There isn't any need to rush this - and it's fantastic that they've both earned GP assignments given their relative lack of international exposure.
Again, her Nats result was great but it was, until Cranberry, an aberration. It was well outside the range she'd scored internationally during the season leading up to Nats. But, honestly, so much of this feels like recency bias. Where is your continued righteous outrage and irritation with the USFS for not even sending her to Jr Worlds last season after her spectacular Nats result? Maybe, just maybe, be happy she's getting the opportunities now and, clearly, making the most of them? She's putting herself firmly in the conversation for Milano-Cortina and that's ultimately what matters, not the outside chance of making the GPF this year.
Pumpkin spice is so basic. Get it together, sweets.
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Where do I even begin, if the 45 minutes I did on the elliptical just now did not exhaust me going through this sure did.
Because I don’t think USFSA has seen in Sarah what I have seen in her, but they gonna go head over heels for any Tammy student, and I don’t know why ….I’m so over that… you think that Tatiana M would have some politics behind her.
I see the big and crazy high jumps of Sarah and her good consistency, and I totally see her as GPF worthy.
And I ultimately think USFSA still owes Sarah a solid, and they went with a Tammy student again.
Lastly, leave
spice outta this. I am an über
Karen-W
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Look, I don't disagree with you about the stupid federation politics that supports Tammy Gambill skaters more than a lot of other deserving skaters. I've raged about that plenty of times in the past and will continue to do so. And I absolutely think the USFS has been slow to recognize the clear coaching talent from the Skorniakov/Malinina team out there in Reston. You know I still hold a grudge against the USFS for not sending Ilia to the Olympics in 2022 and I won't get over that until he has an individual Olympic gold medal of his own, so I'm right there with you in thinking that Sarah got passed over, unfairly, last season, for additional int'l assignments. But I'm not going to get bent over 1 SkAm host TBD spot when 1) she has another GP assignment already and 2) she's in 1st position on the GP Alternates List for a 2nd GP.Where do I even begin, if the 45 minutes I did on the elliptical just now did not exhaust me going through this sure did.
Because I don’t think USFSA has seen in Sarah what I have seen in her, but they gonna go head over heels for any Tammy student, and I don’t know why ….I’m so over that… you think that Tatiana M would have some politics behind her.
I see the big and crazy high jumps of Sarah and her good consistency, and I totally see her as GPF worthy.
And I ultimately think USFSA still owes Sarah a solid, and they went with a Tammy student again.
Lastly, leave
Sometimes, you have to take your rage and anger and put it in the hands of a higher power. Trust and have faith that she'll get a 2nd GP this season.
Oh, and I'm always gonna come for anyone who lives and dies by
spice. Give me 
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