U.S. Women [#6]: The More the Merrier!

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In the end if Everhardt has the career she's capable of having, missing out on 1 skam tba is going to be a mere blip on the radar and largely forgotten. And if not then there are going to be way bigger issues then not getting this one assignment.
 
Rukia said:
In the end if Everhardt has the career she's capable of having, missing out on 1 skam tba is going to be a mere blip on the radar and largely forgotten. And if not then there are going to be way bigger issues then not getting this one assignment.
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I hope is serves as motivation to better her skating. Yes, she did well here, but she still looks so Junior in performance and skating skills. She has the raw talent and jumps to get to the top, but she still has hard work ahead of her to make her a Senior World podium contender. Her score here was verrrrryyyy generous on PCS - and PCS is so so important in Senior Ladies right now because the jumping talent is pretty even. Those floating to the top are the Japanese and Korean ladies who have such good PCS and jumps.
 
Why are these people acting like Sarah's situation is like if Gracie way back in 2012 after she won her only JPG then won silver at Junior Worlds and won the Junior title at Nationals only got 1 GP event compared to someone like Caroline Zhang who got 2? Now that would have been considered a travesty at the time. This situation is not closed to if something like that had happened.
 
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I hope is serves as motivation to better her skating. Yes, she did well here, but she still looks so Junior in performance and skating skills. She has the raw talent and jumps to get to the top, but she still has hard work ahead of her to make her a Senior World podium contender. Her score here was verrrrryyyy generous on PCS - and PCS is so so important in Senior Ladies right now because the jumping talent is pretty even. Those floating to the top are the Japanese and Korean ladies who have such good PCS and jumps.
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You make it seem like she has not worked super hard in preparation for this season but she has. Last season, Sarah's artistic expression was non-existent...wooden at best...this season she has come alive with choreography and expression...she's performing the heck out of Riverdance and Firebird. This is what the judges are rewarding. In her two competitions so far this season, it's clear that Sarah's artistic improvements are not a fluke. The judges like what they see, they see her improvement and are rewarding her accordingly (in competition after competition).

No skater is ever perfect, but Sarah Everhardt just beat the current World Champion! When Sarah Hughes started beating Michelle and Irina (in 2001) it took her exactly one season to become Olympic Champion! Tara Lipinski had the same trajectory. She beat Michelle at Nationals and at the World Championships in 1997 and she won Olympic Gold the very next season! Having a full Grand Prix season the year before the Olympics helped both Sarah Hughes and Tara Lipinski make their case. That is why it is so important that Sarah Everhardt have the same kind of opportunities this season.

This is how skating works! We have seen it so many times. Some skater comes out of nowhere and has a meteoric, unexpected and unstoppable rise. Alina Zagitova is another example. Fan's feathers may get ruffled (when the established favorite does not win) but that's just the nature of sport.
 
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You make it seem like she has not worked super hard in preparation for this season but she has. Last season, Sarah's artistic expression was non-existent...wooden at best...this season she has come alive with choreography and expression...she's performing the heck out of Riverdance and Firebird. This is what the judges are rewarding. In her two competitions so far this season, it's clear that Sarah's artistic improvements are not a fluke. The judges like what they see, they see her improvement and are rewarding her accordingly (in competition after competition).

No skater is ever perfect, but Sarah Everhardt just beat the current World Champion! When Sarah Hughes started beating Michelle and Irina (in 2001) it took her exactly one season to become Olympic Champion! Tara Lipinski had the same trajectory. She beat Michelle at Nationals and at the World Championships in 1997 and she won Olympic Gold the very next season! Having a full Grand Prix season the year before the Olympics helped both Sarah Hughes and Tara Lipinski make their case. That is why it is so important that Sarah Everhardt have the same kind of opportunities this season.

This is how skating works! We have seen it so many times. Some skater comes out of nowhere and has a meteoric, unexpected and unstoppable rise. Alina Zagitova is another example. Fan's feathers may get ruffled (when the established favorite does not win) but that's just the nature of sport.
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Holy hype Batman. Sarah is not winning the Olympics next year. I can tell you that right now. Kaori has one of her worst performances ever 10 people saying omg Sarah beat the 3 time world champion?!?!?! is uh…. Technically true but misleading of the competition. Kaori had what five or six errors?

Came alive with expression? Were we watching the same skater 🤦 Tonia Kwiatkowski’s firebird was much better than those half hearted little splits.
 
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With due credit to Glenn and Everhardt, this was only an early-season challenger. The most established skaters often use them to test out programs, not to seriously mount a world-beating campaign. I mean, obviously that’s not Sakamoto’s final jump layout because it made no sense.

Sakamoto lost to Watanabe in 2022 at Lombardia, and that didn’t portend either of their accomplishments the rest of the season.

Sakamoto and Levito, too, not winning gold at a Challenger is not a big deal for them. It is an accomplishment for skaters trying to establish themselves, but let’s see if they can repeat that success on a bigger stage.
 
Ask for Sakamoto having competition this season, and ye shall receive, according to the US women thread 2024-25.
 
Not doing a challenger might mean that Bradie will have to qualify to nationals via sectionals, depending on how generous USFS is. NHK is November 8-10 and Mids are 18th-24th. Either that or USFS sends her to Warsaw Cup (3rd international which also conflicts with Mids).
 
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Not doing a challenger might mean that Bradie will have to qualify to nationals via sectionals, depending on how generous USFS is. NHK is November 8-10 and Mids are 18th-24th. Either that or USFS sends her to Warsaw Cup (3rd international which also conflicts with Mids).
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I believe that the time conflict period for byes is 10 days when the comp is in Asia, so that should give Bradie a bye, but if not, I would assume she would be assigned to Warsaw.
 
Stephanie said:
Not doing a challenger might mean that Bradie will have to qualify to nationals via sectionals, depending on how generous USFS is. NHK is November 8-10 and Mids are 18th-24th. Either that or USFS sends her to Warsaw Cup (3rd international which also conflicts with Mids).
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I believe that the time conflict period for byes is 10 days when the comp is in Asia, so that should give Bradie a bye, but if not, I would assume she would be assigned to Warsaw.
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She can also earn a bye by qualifying for the GPF. But, I presume the USFS will probably assign her to Warsaw Cup ahead of NHK and WD her from that if she does qualify for the GPF.
 
For those who did not see Isabeau’s short program in Nebelhorn here it is. I don’t remember what was the short program at cranberry? It wasn’t this.

This is one stunning dress, absolutely fantastic, but moon River, two different versions…..I don’t know if I like the second version or the cutesy choreography yet. But the jazz version or whatever it is it’s almost sounds like a mid century version……At least it’s different.

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For those who did not see Isabeau’s short program in Nebelhorn here it is. I don’t remember what was the short program at cranberry? It wasn’t this.

This is one stunning dress, absolutely fantastic, but moon River, two different versions…..I don’t know if I like the second version or the cutesy choreography yet. But the jazz version or whatever it is it’s almost sounds like a mid century version……At least it’s different.
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I like the dress. (I really hope she's changing the outfit for her long program even if she's not changing the music.)

I'm not sure how I feel about the new music and program change yet. I do like her balletic programs, but I want to see her try new things and this is different. I don't know if the playful choreography will work for her because she is always so deliberate and afraid to make mistakes when she's competing. Maybe the choreography will force her to relax more?

Speaking of taking her time, the entry into the flip isn't working now. Maybe after more practice it will work, but I think there's too much, too quickly leading up to the flip. I don't know if that's why she fell, but I think they're going to have work on that part. She has a habit of cramming too much in and overchoreographing. (I definitely think that happened with the snake program.)

At least she didn't lose credit for an entire spin.
 
I think this was a good choice to ditch the swan piece she did at Cranberry. I think she just needs a bit more time with this choreo, but it’s not such a reach that she is going to struggle with it.

The dress and hair are great for this look. I would maybe say the skirt is a tad too long, but she looks glam and sophisticated. I do sincerely hope if we’re all good and USFS wants us to enjoy ourselves that they make her and Bradie skate back to back in identical dresses at nationals :encore:.

The jumps on the otherhand are :shuffle:. The full e on the lutz is the biggest problem from a judging standpoint. If that continues to happen she’s going to have to rethink her content and she’ll be likely downgrading her base value as a result. And the continued cranking of the back to get the jumps around is the other issue. Am interested to see how the free goes.
 
How do some of these people ever even become coaches teaching horrible jump technique like Isabeau has been saddled with? They should be stripped of their credentials.
 
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How do some of these people ever even become coaches teaching horrible jump technique like Isabeau has been saddled with? They should be stripped of their credentials.
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That technique is a legacy of Eteri Tuberidze's influence in Figure Skating. When Eteri's girls were winning, everyone copied that technique but the technique relies upon the girls staying under a certain height and weight...thus the conveyor belt of young girls...one after the other...put on starvation diets...drugged...used and discarded. That technique was never meant to sustain a long career. It only works for pre-pubescent bodies.

Now that the ISU has raised the age limit for senior competition (to 17), hopefully that technique will be discarded (and all the abuse used to sustain it ended). I think we are already seeing the benefits of the change to the age limit in so many of the junior women (and new seniors) having much, much better technique.
 
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