U.S. Women [#4]: How Dare You

[Frau Muller]

Saying Starr wants to be a spokesperson and not aim high is insulting. Skating has mostly cookie cutter skaters with repetitive programs. Once you have someone that brings a different genre to the sport folks want to immediately ostracize. Instead of appreciating the ability to diversify the sport spectators like to throw you under the bus! The lack of evolution is what has killed popularity in this sport in America. Most Olympic champions are never the ones you expect. It’s always the underdog, except for a few! Those ladies that have quads are usually short lived careers and not the ones standing on top of the podium. If they are Russian, they are more than likely doped which is why we are in this banned mess now!

That is my point. I’m tired of some thinking of Starr as just a goo-goo gah-gah #BLM token. Yeah - yeah - We’re tipping our hats off to diversity. Just be happy with their charm & Beyonce vocals? Starr has progressed far beyond that, with that strong silver at Skate Canada 2022.

I feel the same about my own fellow Puerto Rican Jacob Sanchez. Why is he “an ambassador”? Once he skates clean programs internationally and wins a medal or two, I’ll be as high on Jacob as I am now at Starr.

I’ll forever remember how I was called by recruiters because I am Puerto Rican but didn’t get the jobs…but the recruiters got to tick-off the “diversity” box. Thank goodness that I’ve retired and never have to hear from those clowns again.

 

[Sylvia]

Why is he “an ambassador”? Once he skates clean programs internationally and wins a medal or two, I’ll be as high on Jacob as I am now at Starr.

OT: Why can't Jacob be and do both?

BTW, Jacob already is the 2023 Coupe du Printemps Junior Men's gold medalist - he landed his first 3A cleanly in that Junior B international this past March.

 

[Sylvia]

Here's Cleo Park's post after she won bronze at her first junior international at Kings Cup this past weekend: https://www.instagram.com/p/CyJSLlsRaYk/
She included photos (with Mia, rinkmate Annika & Ella Kim who was 5th in her international debut) of as well as clips from her SP (opening 3F+3T) and 2 from her FS (2nd 2nd half combo of 3Lz+2A+2A = 15.13 points!) and her 3rd & 4th jump passes in the first half (3Lo and 3Lz). She was credited with landing 6 of her 7 triples cleanly.

Mia Kalin won the gold (tweeted clip of her landing a clean 4T in her FS that received +2.22 GOE for 11.72 points) and Annika Chao silver.

1 Mia KALIN USA 180.08 1 1 (121.41 FS)
2 Annika CHAO USA 178.16 2 2 (120.08 FS)
3 Cleo PARK USA 170.24 4 3 (117.04 FS)

 

[tony]

That is my point. I’m tired of some thinking of Starr as just a goo-goo gah-gah #BLM token. Yeah - yeah - We’re tipping our hats off to diversity. Just be happy with their charm & Beyonce vocals? Starr has progressed far beyond that, with that strong silver at Skate Canada 2022.

I feel the same about my own fellow Puerto Rican Jacob Sanchez. Why is he “an ambassador”? Once he skates clean programs internationally and wins a medal or two, I’ll be as high on Jacob as I am now at Starr.

Starr doesn’t have a triple Lutz and rarely has a triple flip. If she’s skating for the fun of it or to push herself to be her own best or encourage little girls to get interested in the sport, who cares what you want? Maybe she loves being a representative of her community.

There has to be a little bit of reality in the equation when the full set of triples (minus the Axel) isn’t there.

 

[Frau Muller]

OT: Why can't Jacob be and do both?

BTW, Jacob already is the 2023 Coupe du Printemps Junior Men's gold medalist - he landed his first 3A cleanly in that Junior B international this past March.

Nobody should be “an Ambassador” of anything just because of their ethnic background. Period.

 

[Sylvia]

Whatever. This isn't PI so I'm out.

Hey @Vagabond, is is time for proposing new thread title suggestions?

 

[Vagabond]

Hey @Vagabond, is is time for proposing new thread title suggestions?

Yes!

Possibilities so far:
1. No One Sleeps, courtesy of Bradie Tennell.
2. Please Do Not Be Alarmed, courtesy of Starr Andrews.
3. Remain on the Dance Floor, ditto.
4. Conducting a Troubleshoot Test of the Entire System, ditto.

 

[Sylvia]

2. Please Do Not Be Alarmed, courtesy of Starr Andrews.

I vote for this one!

 

[Coco]

Given the state of the world, I vote for remain on the dance floor

 

[skatfan]

Saying Starr wants to be a spokesperson and not aim high is insulting.

Nobody said that.

Skating has mostly cookie cutter skaters with repetitive programs. Once you have someone that brings a different genre to the sport folks want to immediately ostracize. Instead of appreciating the ability to diversify the sport spectators like to throw you under the bus!

I think her program is refreshing and have always been glad that Starr has taken her own path in music choices. I gave her standing O at 2018 nationals - it was a moment!

The lack of evolution is what has killed popularity in this sport in America. Most Olympic champions are never the ones you expect. It’s always the underdog, except for a few!

Huh, ok, but they have to have the tech content to compete. As much as I like Starr, she doesn’t have the skating skills or polish to make a world team. If she can improve on that and get a real lutz and flip, sure. We just haven’t seen it.

Those ladies that have quads are usually short lived careers and not the ones standing on top of the podium. If they are Russian, they are more than likely doped which is why we are in this banned mess now!

No disagreement, but it still doesn’t make her competitive with currently competing Korean or Japanese women. The US has only one woman skater that does and it’s not Starr.

 

[tony]

Nobody should be “an Ambassador” of anything just because of their ethnic background. Period.

I have nothing more to contribute to this except, as usual with you, and:

For someone who is seemingly so unaware of the world outside of the ballet and attempting to dress like Oksana Baiul, it’s really a treat to see you repeatedly make comments about what everyone should and shouldn’t do. Being a role model for younger people or for people with similar traits isn’t going to hurt anyone. Period.

 

[Rukia]

I'm kind of astounded that the US women's thread has become a consistent source of wank. Like I love them, but they are not what I would consider the most likely source of skating drama currently.

Anyway grand prix starts soon. Which US lady do you think will surprise us the most on the gp? Manifest a medal for your fave now.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

Which US lady do you think will surprise us the most on the gp?

Amber Glenn Realness

 

[On My Own]

I'm kind of astounded that the US women's thread has become a consistent source of wank. Like I love them, but they are not what I would consider the most likely source of skating drama currently.

Really? I don't usually through drama. The last two pages of this thread reminded me of 8th grade history.

 

[Vagabond]

Much as I like "A Consistent Source of Wank" as a thread title, I am reasonably confident that TPTB would change it to something more anodyne.

 

[peibeck]

Much as I like "A Consistent Source of Wank" as a thread title, I am reasonably confident that TPTB would change it to something more anodyne.

That thread title is better for a thread all about the male skaters @AngieNikodinovLove believes are in his harem.

 

[VALuvsMKwan]

That thread title is better for a thread all about the male skaters @AngieNikodinovLove believes are in his harem.

All the intravenous Kahlua in the multiverse ain't gonna make that delusion so.

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

That thread title is better for a thread all about the male skaters @AngieNikodinovLove believes are in his harem.

You’re not wrong, and I’m glad you’ve gotten to know me. Love it.

 

[Vagabond]

That thread title is better for a thread all about the male skaters @AngieNikodinovLove believes are in his harem.

How about "U.S. Women [#5]: A Consistent Source of Snark"? Will that do?

 

[Sylvia]

Not my fave choice...

 

[Debbie S]

How about "U.S. Women [#5]: A Consistent Source of Snark"? Will that do?

How about we keep things positive?

 

[Vagabond]

"Remain on the Dance Floor" it is. I will ask TPTB to close this thread.

Those of you who are unhappy about this are free to yell "How Dare You!" at the screen at any time.