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Alysa Liu's SP score (+ Mia Kalin's) at The St. Moritz Open. She's not fully rotating her jumps. Will she be ready for the Grand Prix in six weeks?
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I thought Lee skated up to her ability at the JGP: 2 clean programs, the SP especially had her signature sparkle and the LP, while less emotive, still scored well in PCS. Of course, there were the underrotations, but those were present (though not called) in her national performances.
I would not assign her to a second JGP this season: Not because she underperformed, but because she did her best and it’s not competitive for a medal.
This is one program, and she's re-building. Give her time. It's unrealistic to expect her to be back to her old form and not nervous right off the bat. I doubt winning her first GP event is her end goal.
I just rechecked the 2024 Evening With Champions roster for 9/13 and 9/14. Bradie Tennell is still listed on the Cast List.
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While, I thought she had programs that were relatively clean I just remembered her having higher technical content, no?
I actually thought her free program is better. To skate to music like objection by Shakira requires a fiery, feisty personality. She is more introverted.
I sometimes feel like skaters don’t know who they are at a young age, it’s one thing to challenge yourself with new music, but then if you’re going to do that, you still need to perform to it.
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Perhaps she stuck to a less difficult content that doesn’t trigger as many urs?
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Mark was noting that Lee said she had a difficult preparation period because her school schedule was tough this year. Seems she simplified her tech accordingly?
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Josephine Lee has always been "hot and cold," which is not uncommon for younger skaters. We know what she is capable on her best day, but her performances at the JGP were very much within her norm and probably at the higher end of it.
Triple-triples in the free don't always pay off. X+2A+2A can get the same or more points, especially if paired with two lutzes and two flips (or two loop plus two of either lutz/flip for skaters with edge calls). I really dislike this X+2A+2A trend, especially given that we're seeing long pauses and breaks in flow between the axels without any impact to GOE. But it works in racking up points, and it seems like that's what Lee was going for with two flips, two loops, and an intended 3T+2A+2A sequence that she didn't fully execute here. Had she done that and not gotten the ur call on the first lutz, her base value would have been ~58, which is high enough to be competitive in this field and close to the best she'll do without a triple axel or quad.
Where I think the US needs to "get real" with the juniors is the short program combo. 3T+3T isn't going to cut it in packed fields. It's very hard to make up the loss of points and not find yourself buried. The 3Lz+3T is almost a required element now, in a year with a mandatory flip solo jump.
I have to say I'm happy with the US judges so far, not holding up either Levito or Liu in the summer competitions. This wouldn't have happened years ago.
I'm more bullish on Kalin than most. People hyperfocus on her weaknesses. She has that profile of skaters who fans love to hate, but I like her
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Well she should fit in with all of the other US Ladies who can't rotate either. I wouldn't worry about Alysa she's probably the best among the US Ladies when it comes to being a competitor and she will get things squared away before the GP season.
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Alysa's FS was another mixed bag...
3F
3Lz+3Tq
2A
CCoSp3V - what does nS on the protocol mean?
3Lo
StSq2+kpYNN
2Fe+2T
2Lz+1Eu+2S
2A
FCSp2
ChSq1
LSp1
Stamina definitely doesn't seem to be there given the low spin levels to close out the program and the doubles for the last two combos/sequences.
3F
3Lz+3Tq
2A
CCoSp3V - what does nS on the protocol mean?
3Lo
StSq2+kpYNN
2Fe+2T
2Lz+1Eu+2S
2A
FCSp2
ChSq1
LSp1
Stamina definitely doesn't seem to be there given the low spin levels to close out the program and the doubles for the last two combos/sequences.
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"no sit" -- i.e., there was no sit position attempted, or more likely it was attempted but did not meet the requirements for a basic sit position for at least 2 consecutive revolutions
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I like Kalin more than a lot of people and I think she’s actually improved some. My frustration? She’ll hit a quad and fall on easier triples or her triples will be under. It’s so frustrating to watch.I'm more bullish on Kalin than most. People hyperfocus on her weaknesses. She has that profile of skaters who fans love to hate, but I like her
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I like Kalin. But she has the solid 4T, stop with the wonky 4S. A solid 4T, and good other elements, she would win.Josephine Lee has always been "hot and cold," which is not uncommon for younger skaters. We know what she is capable on her best day, but her performances at the JGP were very much within her norm and probably at the higher end of it.
Triple-triples in the free don't always pay off. X+2A+2A can get the same or more points, especially if paired with two lutzes and two flips (or two loop plus two of either lutz/flip for skaters with edge calls). I really dislike this X+2A+2A trend, especially given that we're seeing long pauses and breaks in flow between the axels without any impact to GOE. But it works in racking up points, and it seems like that's what Lee was going for with two flips, two loops, and an intended 3T+2A+2A sequence that she didn't fully execute here. Had she done that and not gotten the ur call on the first lutz, her base value would have been ~58, which is high enough to be competitive in this field and close to the best she'll do without a triple axel or quad.
Where I think the US needs to "get real" with the juniors is the short program combo. 3T+3T isn't going to cut it in packed fields. It's very hard to make up the loss of points and not find yourself buried. The 3Lz+3T is almost a required element Ddd, in a year with a mandatory flip solo jump.
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I have to say I'm happy with the US judges so far, not holding up either Levito or Liu in the summer competitions. This wouldn't have happened years ago.
I'm more bullish on Kalin than most. People hyperfocus on her weaknesses. She has that profile of skaters who fans love to hate, but I like her
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Amber, once again bringing us to the clubs with her short program music. Love, love, love it.
Here's Amber's Instagram post about it. I'm glad Kaitlynn Weaver is choreographing for her. I'll be curious to see which parts of the song she uses.
Amber Glenn on Instagram: "2024-25 Short Program This Time By @janetjackson Choreography by @ka2sh Picture taken by Mark Reis / @usfigureskating"
4,414 likes, 36 comments - amberglenniceskater on September 8, 2024: "2024-25 Short Program This Time By @janetjackson Choreography by @ka2sh Picture taken by Mark Reis / @usfigureskating".
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Yeah it's almost like Alysa took the last two seasons off and is just now getting back into competition shape.
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Let's see how she fares in her 2 GP assignments along the way...
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I’m not expecting her to be in top shape in the Fall, I want for her to be ready at nationals…
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That's also a domestic score. 170+ last season put women around 65-70 on the SB list.
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Starr has been assigned to Denis Ten Memorial.
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Are we now judging scores and skates we didn’t even see? lol let’s see what actually happens in a month.
The SB list includes events later in the season. GPs will have a lot of skaters facing similar stamina issues. Even if we take away 8 points worth of domestic PCS inflation to get her score to 170 even, she would've been 8th at GP America/China, 9th at GP Canada/France/Japan, and 7th at GP Finland.
So I don't think she's in as bad a spot as people are thinking. Yes, no podium, but it's not like she's likely going to be dead last or near it despite the strains of a comeback.
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Alyssa has only just returned and already people are being critical and pessimistic. Think is what I can't stand about figure out fans. They're way too fickle. Come on guys, the GP season hasn't even started. Give them time!
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I don't know if it's been mentioned here yet (I have not seen it mentioned yet) but Sarah Everhardt has been added to the roster for Finlandia Trophy. I am so excited for her!
Now, I just hope that she get's Skate America too!
Now, I just hope that she get's Skate America too!
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USFS has updated the Int'l Assignments page and Cleo Park is officially assigned to JGP Poland - ISU entries were updated late last night to reflect this change.
No Elyce Lin-Gracey deserves to get at least one GP too. USFS needs to spread the wealth around and it's not like Sarah was guaranteed two GP's. Get both of these girls out there a year before the Olympic
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The way the GP Alternates process has been changed this year, I think it's almost certain that Elyce will get at least one GP assignment. Currently Sarah and Elyce are 1-2 on the GP Alternates list, so the next GP vacancy will go to her (unless it's at NHK since there are already 3 US women there or, obviously, Finlandia). After that, Elyce moves into 1st position and - at that point it may become a little dicier because both GPdF and CoC have 2 US women already there. I do think, right now, there's a greater than 75% chance that both Sarah & Elyce wind up with 2 GPs when it's all said and done, though my expectation is that one of Elyce's will probably be the SkAm TBD spot. The USFS may wait it out a couple more weeks before confirming, hoping that both Sarah & Elyce can snag 2 assignments elsewhere, which would free them up to assign the SkAm host spot to Starr (who posted a good NQS score earlier this summer, though not so strong with her Cranberry result).
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