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Well, thanks, Eteri.
I’m not sure if this was a joke, a half-joke, or what, but I maybe you read the post wrong?

If her mom is well-off, which seems to be confirmed or already known, then that’s one thing. But it’s not exactly easy in the world these days and most people even in my millennial generation don’t own a place yet/aren’t really making significant amounts of money to live their lives comfortably.

It’s possible that FSU is just reading more into her very quick quote and she just wants to vacation and move on to next season. Maybe she really doesn’t know about the added prize money, because that’s a relatively new document that was released.
 
By the way, Levito's quotes after the free skate mention that she probably won't do WTT because she wants to go on vacation/end the season.

It would make it easier to just send Tennell and Glenn that way, I guess.
Honestly, I would send Amber. She might be able to more easily land her 3A in the semi-competitive, “friendly” and fun atmosphere of the WTT, and I think that achieving her goal at last would do wonders for her confidence.
 
Money is important but if a 16 year old is saying “I want to skip WTT” and (privately) indicating a reason, I 100% support it. This sport is too tough and too hard to push an athlete if they ever say they need a break. Maybe that’s a privileged viewpoint, but I’d also support any skater that said “I’m done with the sport” and walked away. I’m a fan, I don’t get to push. So if a skater wants a break, I support a break, especially if that break means they will be back next season.
 
Alysa Liu was very wise to seek out help from a jump technician (when she did) and it paid off.
Well, Alysa did have better jump technique to start with, which helped. I don't know if Isabeau's toe jumps are going to be fixable.

I don't see anything wrong with Isabeau skipping WTT. Frankly the feds don't care about it, the ISU doesn't care about it, and the skaters who enjoy it seem to be the older ones looking to have a fun end to the season. Back when it first started most of the top worlds finishers chose not to go in favor of vacation. Then I think word spread about how fun it was and more skaters chose to attend.
 
This may sound harsh but I think it's time for Bradie and Amber to retire. Neither has made a significant impact on the international scene and the likelihood that either one of them will is slim to none. It's time to let the younger ladies get some experience before the next Olympics.
Can you suggest who of the younger generation at the moment can earn Brandie’s or Amber’s international scores? They earned the world team spots. Maybe next year some of the younger ones will upgrade their scores and earn a world team spot.
 
I’m still processing the worlds results as I just finished it now. The US women all seem to have peaked back in January, they all seem slow or sluggish. Isabeau skip the free skate practice session so she could save her energy yet had that one major mistake.

gosh, Amber can do all these triple axels back in Texas and Colorado and then when it’s time for a competition it’s yet to ever happen. I wish much for her as well. Well, according to her on statements, I guess she will plan to go on for next season as she’s yet to do it in competition

Bradie has said in statements as well and she wants to go through Milan

gosh, if thorngren could get her under rotations managed, she really could be a contender.
 
This may sound harsh but I think it's time for Bradie and Amber to retire. Neither has made a significant impact on the international scene and the likelihood that either one of them will is slim to none. It's time to let the younger ladies get some experience before the next Olympics.

HUHHHHHHHH????

such as whom? OK name these names in the United States that are getting the scores? Also, please someone with something higher than a triple toe triple toe as well ….

Bradie made the Grand Prix final with a squadron of Russians, and I think Kihira… has not made an international impact?

fax me the names of all these US women that I must not know of you think should be sent because they’re going to take down Kaori 🤨
 
Who would be your pick for coach and what would that person change ?

One reason this is a tough question to answer is that the sport seems to have finally acknowledged that the template for success over the last decade was OTT toxic and unhealthy. (Thanks, Eteri.) So there needs to be a different approach going forward, but I’m not sure the skating world has collectively decided what that means. Who are the currently active coaches in North America who have the skill set to coach girls/women to be successful internationally without breaking them? I’m not sure we really know the answer to that yet, partly because there’s a very necessary reckoning happening right now about how we want to define success in the future.

I hope Isabeau has a situation that allows her to develop in a healthy (in all senses of the word) way. I don’t know anything about her current coach to know if that’s the case right now or not. But I also think there’s sometimes too much emphasis put on tomorrow with these kids. I was watching some of the younger girls at worlds and thinking that I hope they don’t get so wrapped up in everything they’re “supposed” to do over the next few years that they can’t be proud of what they’ve already accomplished. Isabeau might have room to improve in some areas, and I hope she continues for a long time, but she could walk away tomorrow and she’d still be a skater people will talk about for a long time.
 
I think what killed it for Amber was leaving out a 3-jump combo, and she has left out combos before. I think her team needs to do what J/T eluded to during the SP broadcast: practice combos on the end of different jumps (Obviously, she could be doing that, but there still appears to be a mental block there -> said with love cuz I dig her power girl skating).

Bradie's skate was pretty mediocre, but considering her past year, she deserves a break.
 
In terms of retaining three spots for U.S. ladies, I’d say the very early retirement of Alysa Liu really hurt the U.S. women’s team. I can imagine having both Alysa and Isabeau at Worlds….that would be pretty fierce because both are very reliable competitors. Alysa was the reigning world bronze medalist and didn’t compete. I still miss Alysa and hope she might someday miss skating and come back (one can dream…however unlikely). I kind of ubered her.

I hope Isabeau isn’t still having some health issues, thus the skipped practice and the comment about vacation and rest. But we don’t know her personal situation at all so I’ll leave it up to her and her team to decide what is best for her.

I would love to see Isabeau work with Jeremy Abbott on jumps too. I’m torn about a new coach for her because her coach has done so many things right and I love how difficult and inventive her program in-betweens are and that she has been taught good line and position. So I say bring Jeremy on as part of the team….he may be willing to relocate to work with her. He did so to work with Alysa didn’t he?

Lindsey Thorngen could definitely be a force if she can adjust to her new body and get her skating back consistent. She was a world junior bronze medalist last year. She has the talent. And of course I love Audrey Liu if she could ever find her competitive mojo she could be right up there.
 
I would send Glenn over Tennell (or both if Levito doesn't go) to WTT. Tennell's nationals scores felt like a last-ditch hail mary to ensure her spot on the team and hope her jumps would be sorted by Worlds. Yes, Tennell has a great competitive head on her shoulders and I can see why they wanted a hail mary over Andrews whose ceiling is lower. But Glenn skated better than Tennell at the most important competition of the year, so she should get the first shot.
 
Even though it wasn't perfect, huge congrats to Amber for what was really a breakthru season for her this year. She went to her 2nd 4CC and first ever worlds, 9 years after her only appearance at Jr. Worlds. She's fought thru a fair amount of adversity & personal challenges to get to this point, and managed to place 12th in the world, which shouldn't be looked down upon. Based on her comments, I think she's going to try & build on the momentum that she started this year, and hopefully they can finally work out the combo issues in the long. It's honestly kind of nice to see an athlete reaching their peak as an adult, and I really hope she sticks around for the full quad.
 
How i wish Alysa had stuck it out for just one more season at least. With her on the team no way does the US lose their 3rd spot.
A lot can change within a year or even within a few weeks, so this isn't a 'no way' hypothetical.

The US has lost spots in junior men, junior women, and now senior women. They just narrowly held on to 3 spots in junior dance. They will rebound eventually-- there's plenty of competitive talent, it's just putting it together when they need to.
 
What a great first international senior season Isabeau has had! She won some minor competitions, then won several GP medals (including silver at the GP Final), and became national champion at the age of 15. She narrowly missed the podium at Worlds. That's a fantastic start to her career as a senior.

She missed only one jump at Worlds. (Almost all of the skaters missed at least one jump, including most of the last flight. Loena somehow managed to medal making jumping mistakes in both the short program and the long program.) But, what was encouraging is that it was the first jump and Isabeau didn't fall apart after that. She kept it together.

I'm sure she's learned a lot from this Worlds and from this season. It was a long one and she did a lot of competitions. She hopefully has learned that she needs to pace herself. (I bet she wishes she had skipped Four Continents like Ilia did.)

After all of this and all the added pressure of expectations, she must be exhausted. Her team seems to think she needs some rest and relaxation and a bit of a break. (She not only skipped practice yesterday, but I also saw a photo on Jason Brown's Instagram of the two of them together in a Japanese park). I haven't seen the reports of her saying that she won't be doing WTT, but if she and her mother think that the best thing for her to do before the Stars on Ice tour is to take a vacation/break, then I'm glad her mother isn't pushing her to do WTT.

And good for her mother if she thinks it's not the best thing to uproot the family for a new coach. Her current coach has brought her this far. Isabeau has improved her speed and has excellent skating skills and spins. She could improve her lutz and flip, but she generally lands them. And she can do what some other skaters (like Ilia and Nathan) have done and get some help from a jumping expert while staying where she is.

As for choreography, she loves her programs and the judges seem to like the choreography as well. I think the style works for her as she started doing ballet even before skating. Having said that, I think most skaters would benefit from working with a variety of choreographers. Maybe she could work with Shae Lynn Bourne. Or, maybe Jason could not only be a bit of a mentor but also work with her to refine her choreography and expression. He has been doing some choreography this past year. Just little things like holding her spiral a little longer or bringing a little more expression in parts of her program could eek out a little more with the judges.

Someone mentioned Marie-France Dubreuil. From what Nathan Chen said in his book, she was very reluctant to choreograph for a singles skater and it took a lot of persuasion.
 
She's now done programs for Sakamoto so maybe she's changed her thinking now that she's done a few.
Maybe. Or maybe she has a hard time turning down requests from World Champions. :lol:
That explains her LP music this year.
:lol: I love Kaori, but this is not my favorite LP from her.

Rocketman is a great program, but from what Nathan says, the most interesting parts were not choreographed by Marie-France Dubreuil. Maybe she's just better at ice dance choreography. In any event, she would not be my first choice for Isabeau.

BTW, Isabeau recently was asking for recommendations for "fun" music. I assume she wanted it for SOI. Maybe she will experiment with a new style and choreographer for it? At a minimum, she'll at least work with some other people a little bit for SOI. It should be a good experience for her.
 
What a great first international senior season Isabeau has had! She won some minor competitions, then won several GP medals (including silver at the GP Final), and became national champion at the age of 15. She narrowly missed the podium at Worlds. That's a fantastic start to her career as a senior.

She missed only one jump at Worlds. (Almost all of the skaters missed at least one jump, including most of the last flight. Loena somehow managed to medal making jumping mistakes in both the short program and the long program.) But, what was encouraging is that it was the first jump and Isabeau didn't fall apart after that. She kept it together.

I'm sure she's learned a lot from this Worlds and from this season. It was a long one and she did a lot of competitions. She hopefully has learned that she needs to pace herself. (I bet she wishes she had skipped Four Continents like Ilia did.)

After all of this and all the added pressure of expectations, she must be exhausted. Her team seems to think she needs some rest and relaxation and a bit of a break. (She not only skipped practice yesterday, but I also saw a photo on Jason Brown's Instagram of the two of them together in a Japanese park). I haven't seen the reports of her saying that she won't be doing WTT, but if she and her mother think that the best thing for her to do before the Stars on Ice tour is to take a vacation/break, then I'm glad her mother isn't pushing her to do WTT.

And good for her mother if she thinks it's not the best thing to uproot the family for a new coach. Her current coach has brought her this far. Isabeau has improved her speed and has excellent skating skills and spins. She could improve her lutz and flip, but she generally lands them. And she can do what some other skaters (like Ilia and Nathan) have done and get some help from a jumping expert while staying where she is.

As for choreography, she loves her programs and the judges seem to like the choreography as well. I think the style works for her as she started doing ballet even before skating. Having said that, I think most skaters would benefit from working with a variety of choreographers. Maybe she could work with Shae Lynn Bourne. Or, maybe Jason could not only be a bit of a mentor but also work with her to refine her choreography and expression. He has been doing some choreography this past year. Just little things like holding her spiral a little longer or bringing a little more expression in parts of her program could eek out a little more with the judges.

Someone mentioned Marie-France Dubreuil. From what Nathan Chen said in his book, she was very reluctant to choreograph for a singles skater and it took a lot of persuasion.

This is all fine except that I truly want Isabeau to uproot to a stronger coach AND obtain quality programs. Hopefully off to Europe.
 
Ack! I hit the wrong button. Apologies.

I didn't say push veterans aside. I said I think it's time they move on. Both Amber and Bradie sat in a heap on the middle of the ice after their performances. You could see anguish and regret on their faces. I understand that each person develops at their own pace but Bradie is 25 years old and her Worlds results show that as each year passes she's falling further behind.

Bradie's Senior Ladies World Championship results:
2018 - 6th place
2019 - 7th place
2020 - event canceled
2021 - 9th place
2022 - injured
2023 - 15th place
That is a depressing list but there were other competitions. Some GP, championship medals, an appearance at a GP final. I want to hear what Bradie says about Worlds. That`s a terrible result and not like her. Wondering if injuries creeping back in.
 
People are forgetting her. Some say her rotation issues are growth related. I actually like her skating more than Levitos. It`s more athletic, more comtemporary. I think she could up her content. US ladies are not dead!
US ladies are not dead, but US scoring needs an overhaul. Stop propping up favorites, okay once is fine , but repeatedly is wrong. And start calling all underrotated jumps. Then the true athletes will rise. I think we have talented skaters that aren't rewarded in pc's.
 
Agreed, the judges and technical panels they see at home should be the toughest they see all season. It looks like we are heading into some lean years, so no better time than the present to implement "the correction" and make that happen.
 
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