U.S. Ladies [#28]: Achieving 2020 Vision

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Michelle was not mentioned or shown once during the competition. No photos- nothing. I found it very odd.


Michelle for sure was at 2014 Nationals. I remember they showed her watching Mirai's heartbreaking exhibition performance from backstage or just off the ice. It was just after Mirai found out that she didn't make the Olympic team. I remember thinking that it was Michelle's way of being supportive of Mirai. But in spite of her legend status, I don't expect commentators to mention her every time her music comes up. Why should they?

Really? How many US ladies skaters have skated to Salome- one of Kwan’s signature pieces, wearing a costume very similar and the same ending music cuts? It’s very rare to see ladies skating to the same music Kwan used in her pre 2002 years. I don’t understand how they couldn’t mention Kwan. Of course they don’t HAVE to, but not even one mention?
 
That reminds me of the time Mariah Bell skated Born on the Fourth of July soundtrack and Tara played a game with Terry asking him what other famous skater used this music? Of course he didn’t know because he started covering figure skating for ABC in the 1995-1996 season, and so Tara just ended up answering herself that it was Nancy Kerrigan.
 
Michelle was not mentioned or shown once during the competition. No photos- nothing. I found it very odd.

Really? How many US ladies skaters have skated to Salome- one of Kwan’s signature pieces, wearing a costume very similar and the same ending music cuts? It’s very rare to see ladies skating to the same music Kwan used in her pre 2002 years. I don’t understand how they couldn’t mention Kwan. Of course they don’t HAVE to, but not even one mention?
Seriously, though, Kwan skated to it more than 20 years ago.
 
Michelle was not mentioned or shown once during the competition. No photos- nothing. I found it very odd.

This is all I'm saying. It seems intentional. To show pictures of past champions from all the way back in the 70s to the last few years and basically skip the 10-year period when skating was at the height of its popularity in this country--which, coincidentally, happen to be the same 10 years Michelle won 9 out of 10 titles--just seems like an intended slight IMO. I'm not saying her past accomplishments should be lauded every year or that her name needs to be worked into every conversation, but not including Michelle at all in their "look at past champions" they do during the broadcast is disrespectful and shady as hell to me...and I don't doubt Tara being part of the commentating team has at least something to do with it. :shuffle:

That's like if they were broadcasting Japanese nationals and showing pictures of past champions and Mao Asada was omitted completely. Or Korean nationals with no pic of Yuna Kim. Michelle is still THE biggest star to come out of the US in this sport over the past 20 years. As sad as that is, it's the truth. She deserves more respect than NBC gives her.
I'll get off my soap box now.:soapbox:
 
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This is all I'm saying. It seems intentional. To show pictures of past champions from all the way back in the 70s to the last few years and basically skip the 10-year period when skating was at the height of its popularity in this country--which, coincidentally, happen to be the same 10 years Michelle won 9 out of 10 titles--just seems like an intended slight IMO. I'm not saying her past accomplishments should be lauded every year or that her name needs to be worked into every conversation, but not including Michelle at all in their "look at past champions" they do during the broadcast is disrespectful and shady as hell to me...and I don't doubt Tara being part of the commentating team has at least something to do with it. :shuffle:

That's like if they were broadcasting Japanese nationals and showing pictures of past champions and Mao Asada was omitted completely. Or Korean nationals with no pic of Yuna Kim. Michelle is still THE biggest star to come out of the US in this sport over the past 20 years. As sad as that is, it's the truth. She deserves more respect than NBC gives her.
I'll get off my soap box now.:soapbox:

I think you can write to them directly.
 
So, those of you who saw it all - did they feature Evan Lysacek in any solo shots in those interludes? Of just that one shot of him on a lower podium step than Johnny was. At this point I'm just curious - I'm not upset that Michelle wasn't shown, but it does seems a little interesting to say the least to not show two of the biggest champions of the last 3 decades when others were shown.
 
What was the purpose of showing the other national champions? Did they show Sasha? Did they show Ashley? Did they show Mirai? Bobeck? Kristi? Nancy? Jeremy? Weiss? Todd? Tim?

Who did they show and I can form an opinion ??
 
Michelle was not mentioned or shown once during the competition. No photos- nothing. I found it very odd.




Really? How many US ladies skaters have skated to Salome- one of Kwan’s signature pieces, wearing a costume very similar and the same ending music cuts? It’s very rare to see ladies skating to the same music Kwan used in her pre 2002 years. I don’t understand how they couldn’t mention Kwan. Of course they don’t HAVE to, but not even one mention?
Maybe they didn't want people looking up Michelle's program to compare...
 
Low scores compared to who? If you are talking about the Russians yeah then i guess so but compared to Japanese Nationals i didn't see that much difference. I don't have the numbers but the majority of the girls tried 3-3 combo's and remember 2 of the ladies in the top 5 last year were injured and not here. This wasn't Canadian ladies no offense.
Many jr. Girls hit triple-triples in their short and long programs. I know some are even working on 3A. I think the US ladies will be competitive in years to come. Poor Canadians, I think only one or two ladies did triple-triples.
 
I definitely caught a clip of Michelle waving from the kiss and cry being shown on the Jumbotron.

No one is erasing Kwan's record, as fun as it is to think that Lipinski's a petty b.tch who would demand that NBC not show her rival.
 
I definitely caught a clip of Michelle waving from the kiss and cry being shown on the Jumbotron.

No one is erasing Kwan's record, as fun as it is to think that Lipinski's a petty b.tch who would demand that NBC not show her rival.

Lol. Tara has said many times she and Michelle are friends, and I know one time she said she has her cell number. She did a very nice tribute to their rivalry on her Instagram last year also, and she likes a lot of MK’s Instagram posts. So the whole idea that Tara’s behind the absence of a 3 second clip of MK at nationals is really silly.
 
This is all I'm saying. It seems intentional. To show pictures of past champions from all the way back in the 70s to the last few years and basically skip the 10-year period when skating was at the height of its popularity in this country--which, coincidentally, happen to be the same 10 years Michelle won 9 out of 10 titles--just seems like an intended slight IMO. I'm not saying her past accomplishments should be lauded every year or that her name needs to be worked into every conversation, but not including Michelle at all in their "look at past champions" they do during the broadcast is disrespectful and shady as hell to me...and I don't doubt Tara being part of the commentating team has at least something to do with it. :shuffle:

That's like if they were broadcasting Japanese nationals and showing pictures of past champions and Mao Asada was omitted completely. Or Korean nationals with no pic of Yuna Kim. Michelle is still THE biggest star to come out of the US in this sport over the past 20 years. As sad as that is, it's the truth. She deserves more respect than NBC gives her.
I'll get off my soap box now.:soapbox:
OH - I don't know that this is the cause of Michelle not being shown, but IIRC they can show only images from the TV channel who had the rights to the broadcast. So if Nagano was NBC, and the next one was CBS that would account for some of it.

Throwing shade on Tara is disgusting.

Not only that, it is dumb. If Johnny and Tara have any input into content from the network (i.e. who they show in the mantage, who they honor, who they show in the stands), one would assume that Tara and NBC would not be that dumb. I don't think Tara and Michelle ever were the kind of rivals that their die hard fans are/were.
 
I love Tara in her own right as a skater and a person.

I love Michelle in her own right as a skater and a person.

I would kill to have either of them back skating and winning for the US ladies.

It pains me that every time a slight is perceived at Michelle a few of her fans see Tara at the bottom of it and take the opportunity to savage Tara on the boards.

I love both of these women and what they have both accomplished and continue to accomplish in life. I don’t care who got more on the “applause o’ meter”. Fans have got to stop this perpetual story line of Tara=bad, Michele = good. Ridiculous :wall:
 
Michelle was not mentioned or shown once during the competition. No photos- nothing. I found it very odd.




Really? How many US ladies skaters have skated to Salome- one of Kwan’s signature pieces, wearing a costume very similar and the same ending music cuts? It’s very rare to see ladies skating to the same music Kwan used in her pre 2002 years. I don’t understand how they couldn’t mention Kwan. Of course they don’t HAVE to, but not even one mention?

I just don't see why fans should expect it. It'd be a nice shout out if commentators did but are they expected to do the same for other iconic skaters each time someone new comes along and skates to the respective signature piece they were known for? Torvill and Dean and "Bolero" for example? I just don't see why anyone should get upset if they don't. Also, the glory days of these skaters are long past. With each passing generation, not everyone remembers, or possibly even care one way or the other if they DO remember. And if Tara and Johnny choose not to bring up Michelle whenever anyone skates to some music that she skated to, well that's their perogative. Michelle is long retired now and I doubt that she is losing sleep over it, that is if she's aware of it at all. Much ado about nada.
 
I love Tara in her own right as a skater and a person.

I love Michelle in her own right as a skater and a person.

I would kill to have either of them back skating and winning for the US ladies.

It pains me that every time a slight is perceived at Michelle a few of her fans see Tara at the bottom of it and take the opportunity to savage Tara on the boards.

I love both of these women and what they have both accomplished and continue to accomplish in life. I don’t care who got more on the “applause o’ meter”. Fans have got to stop this perpetual story line of Tara=bad, Michele = good. Ridiculous :wall:

THIS!
 
Wowza, Michelle and Evan are still beloved, but I mean we are moving into an entirely new generation... Make that 'have moved a long time ago.' While Michelle and Evan are the gold standard, I think the time has passed where they need to be mentioned and featured at every U.S. Nationals. It appears to me that some of the photos of past skaters and champions are picked out somewhat randomly and maybe in some instances purposely to highlight current champions who are now commentating or coaching, etc.

I don't recall seeing a bunch of photos or references to Johnny's career, albeit there have been some old photos and references. As well, Johnny often pulls from his knowledge and past competitive experiences in his commentary, as does Tara. Sometimes Terry joshes with both T&J affectionately about aspects of their skating careers. As someone said earlier, I think both Tara and Johnny are fine by this point and don't need any career coddling. Of course, NBC has over-catered to Tara's past exploits on occasion. But seriously, by this point, I believe Tara and Michelle are both about living their best lives and congratulating each other on respective achievements and milestones. Ditto for Johnny and Evan. :)

There is such a thing as over-analyzing a broadcast and suggesting intent that may not even be in the ballpark of validity. I mean oomph that Starr skated to a version of Salome. It was not selected as some kind of tribute to MK. Likely Starr and her coaches landed upon the idea as a challenge for Starr and they purposely did not choose the same music version. Fans spoke about the choice and the MK connection briefly when we learned of Starr's music. At this point in the season, it's more about seeing whether Starr can continue bringing out more expression while attempting to master her tech difficulty. I don't see a huge reason to mention Kwan's version unless Starr's version had made a bigger impact. As we know, it hasn't. As someone previously commented, it's enough to see that Starr has been trying to work on her expression and interpretation, but she still has a way to go.

If TT&J had thought of it, maybe they would have made a tangential reference to Kwan's Salome, but annh, it ain't a big deal they didn't. It's not a requirement, and that legendary performance is very far removed from today's Russian assembly line teenyboppers with quads & 3-axels hullabaloo. :drama: We are so far removed from 1996 and from the end of Michelle's legendary career in figure skating in 2006 that there really isn't any need to reference MK every time someone uses similar music or similar program ideas or similar costumes. MK is iconic and by this point, there's a long laundry list of skaters who have been inspired by her example and who have tried to put their own stamp and interpretation on music we associate with her excellence.

It's fun looking at where MK is now and reminiscing about her career and her impact on the sport, but all of us MK fans are getting a bit old and long in the tooth. :eek: It's important not to forget the past and to find legitimate ways of remembering and making connections between the past and the present as time moves forward. But that doesn't mean references and tributes to MK are always needed at this point. We might see more of MK if she was still doing a lot connected with skating, like Scott and Kristi, etc., but MK has transitioned into other fields of endeavor. That's why it is so cool seeing MK post current skating clips on her Instagram, and it's fun having a chance to enjoy those rare moments when she connects with skaters of this generation, e.g., Nathan Chen at Yale (when MK was recently honored there).

When we see Scott H and Brian B at skating events, their broadcast colleagues don't ad nauseam talk about their great moments in skating history. We just know they are legends of the sport and those of us who witnessed their remarkable feats in real time get a warm feeling inside remembering. But yeah, it's actually a long time ago now. :cry:
 
Why Calista Choi is 4th alternate? She was 3th at US National and she deserve more credit.
 
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Why Calista Choi is 4th alternate? She was 3th at US National and she deserve more credit.
Calista, as amazing as she is, is not the most consistent competitor. I think giving her more time next season on the Junior Grand Prix and maybe a Challenger will help her to gain consistency.
 
I love Tara in her own right as a skater and a person.

I love Michelle in her own right as a skater and a person.

I would kill to have either of them back skating and winning for the US ladies.

It pains me that every time a slight is perceived at Michelle a few of her fans see Tara at the bottom of it and take the opportunity to savage Tara on the boards.

I love both of these women and what they have both accomplished and continue to accomplish in life. I don’t care who got more on the “applause o’ meter”. Fans have got to stop this perpetual story line of Tara=bad, Michele = good. Ridiculous :wall:
I was a Michelle uber back in the day and still dislike Tara's skating after all these years (she's a fine commentator).

I don't give two shits if the Kween isn't slobbered over at Nationals every year. She had her many, many moment in the sun.

The historical retrospectives that are often played on the Jumbotron are very enjoyable, but outside of that, I want to focus on the skaters who are actually skating at Nationals. I miss fluff pieces.
 
Can someone refresh my wild turkey?

I tried scrolling up what is all this talk about Michelle and Tara these days?

I did see on the YouTubes that a week ago there’s a new video posted of Johnny and Tara commentating on Taras 1998 long Olympic program “The rainbow.” But I think that’s a really cool commentary that they did on her program. Was that shown at nationals or something or what’s going on?
 
...what is all this talk about Michelle and Tara these days?
Just a few die-hard Kwan ubers taking umbrage because they feel that the Kween was not given enough air time in the historical retrospectives that were shown in the arena during Nationals, and blaming Tara for the slight.

Yes, that is what was going on earlier in this thread. :rolleyes: :mitchell: :wall:
 
MK's legacy is a bit of an inconvenient truth in the present era, when Alysa Liu is easily winning nationals over a skater like Mariah Bell. I thought Bell's performance in the free skate was the closest thing we've seen to a Kwan-at-nationals moment in the years since the Kween retired. USFS spent decades holding Kwan on a pedestal, but now it's in a weird position of needing to promote the little jumping bean who with no emotional power on the ice.
 
Just a few die-hard Kwan ubers taking umbrage because they feel that the Kween was not given enough air time in the historical retrospectives that were shown in the arena during Nationals, and blaming Tara for the slight.

Yes, that is what was going on earlier in this thread. :rolleyes: :mitchell: :wall:

Ohhhhhh, so this wasnt shown on TV?

Well... for those who are interested... Go to the youtubes and watch the video of Johnny and Tara re-commentate her 98 Olympic program The Rainbow.

Can I say I MUCH PREFER how Johnny is dressed when he is not on TV.. I would actually wear what he is wearing here......

Here you go....


“Dress by Jeff Billings. Bangs by my mother!” ????
 
Ohhhhhh, so this wasnt shown on TV?

Well... for those who are interested... Go to the youtubes and watch the video of Johnny and Tara re-commentate her 98 Olympic program The Rainbow.

Can I say I MUCH PREFER how Johnny is dressed when he is not on TV.. I would actually wear what he is wearing here......

Here you go....


“Dress by Jeff Billings. Bangs by my mother!” ????

Thank you! That was a treat!
 
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