The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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binbinwinwin said:
I don't particularly enjoy Chock/Bates usually but I like their FD this year, instead of Evan Bates presents Madison Chock they actually look like a partnership, I think it's quite nice. If it is true that they were injured then that probably pushes back their progress for the season, making the GPF should give them a confidence boost. Under Pressure it seemed like their were forcing some of their elements to fit the music (eg the twizzles) to avoid cutting it. I thought it was a breath of fresh air amongst the lyrical FDs last season but I found myself enjoying it less and less as the season went on. Madison made too many faces for me.
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I too enjoy Madison toning down her expressions in this dance. The music is well put together (even if it does feel a little Shib-like in parts) and will be a crowd pleaser. It is uncharacteristic of them not to be at higher tech levels at this point in the season. With more mileage it will be a good program. Someone up thread or in another thread suggested they change the ending to reach out to the audience instead on going all "lovey" with each other. That change alone would help the concept the dance.
 
ok, it is monday and T/T still don´t withdraw from SA. Dabin and Anna P. already announced their withdrawal. I mean, the SD is the saturday, still plenty of time but it would be really ridiculous and cheap announce it at the last minute.
 
sap5 said:
Visa rules are usually quite strict. If they work without a permit and someone reports that, they could lose their visas.
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Working when your visa doesn't permit it is a recipe for trouble. That said, they could choreograph on US soil. I don't think there would be anything preventing them from earning money in that way in their home country.
 
marbri said:
That's a bit of revisionist history because V/M announced AFTER the results of the ice dance competition at 2016 Worlds they were returning
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It was announced right before 4CCs.

One of the most stupidly timed decisions ever made, IMO. Maybe good for V&M as there was a lot of press in making the announcement prior to an event where it would be discussed on multiple television outlets. But not good for Skate Canada ice dance as a whole. Maybe W&P would have mucked up their FD at 4CCs anyway; but that was hardly the message they needed heading into 4CCs & Worlds. They were GPF Champions heading into that event. Heading out, they were behind the Shibs and Chock & Bates.

But it is history. Had no relevance on the competition this week. Both Weaver & Poje and Chock & Bates were under the gun at Internationaux de France, and neither really stepped up to the plate. It's one event, and both teams have the experience to move on from this.

But--looking ahead to the Olympics--I just keep thinking about the tons of pressure that is headed everyone's way. You've got to be able to deal with it.
 
From what I remember, it was announced right after the FD at 4CC, but many suspected some people in skating already knew about it before the official announcement, including Weaver/Poje. It was a pretty orchestrated announcement. It was just unfortunate timing that it came out after WeaPo underperformed at 4CC.
 
VIETgrlTerifa said:
From what I remember, it was announced right after the FD at 4CC, but many suspected some people in skating already knew about it before the official announcement, including Weaver/Poje. It was a pretty orchestrated announcement. It was just unfortunate timing that it came out after WeaPo underperformed at 4CC.
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IIRC, there was an announcement that VM would make an announcement right before 4CC the official announcement was after.

However, the ice was really poor at that event, Hubbell Donohue mentioned it in a later press call so Weaver Poje may still have had the same issues. Impossible to know.
 
After olympics has V/M hinted that they are staying around?

I am assuming this WeaPo last season. I have not heard if Gilles/Poirer are sticking around. If all three teams retire, Skate Canada will not any elite teams skating.

If Gilles/Poirer stick around- they'll have fierce competition to be podium contenders.
 
topaz said:
After olympics has V/M hinted that they are staying around?

I am assuming this WeaPo last season. I have not heard if Gilles/Poirer are sticking around. If all three teams retire, Skate Canada will not any elite teams skating.

If Gilles/Poirer stick around- they'll have fierce competition to be podium contenders.
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I'm sure G/P will stick around. They've said nothing about retiring. V/M have made it pretty clear this will be their last season. I assumed W/P would retire, but I suppose it's possible they stick around for Worlds in Montreal. They said something about Spartacus coming back at some point, probably they meant as an ex.
 
Sorry to change the subject, but I have a question : during the commentary of the FD on France 3 (French national channel), Annick Dumont (Gailhaguet) said that judging was very regulated, that now there even is a "judge for the judges". Is there really such a thing? A judge whose job is to examine what the judges do??
 
Miloune said:
Sorry to change the subject, but I have a question : during the commentary of the FD on France 3 (French national channel), Annick Dumont (Gailhaguet) said that judging was very regulated, that now there even is a "judge for the judges". Is there really such a thing? A judge whose job is to examine what the judges do??
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Yes, it's called the Officials Assessment Commission (OAC) - here's the link to the latest ISU Communication: http://www.isu.org/communications/593-isu-communication-2098/file
 
V&M had been training for a while in Montreal (I think almost all summer) before making the announcement of their return. It was pretty well known that they were going to make the announcement any time. If I remember correctly, they even had one of their programs completed.
I remember the announcement during one of the events (was it 4CCs or Worlds) where they had shown up on CBC a few other times to talk about the events and what they were/had been up to. There were a lot of coy questions by Carol and Kirk about coming back one more time. No flat out denials by either one of them.
I'm still kind of cloudy about those days. But it was no big secret they were coming back for at least 2 months before.
I believe there are all kinds of records they can break if they win gold in both dance and the team event at the Os and overall record that might put them in the record books making the case for greatest ice dance team ever. If they win gold, they would tie with G&P for most in ice dance, and if they include the team event and get gold, they would have 3 gold medals and a silver for the Olympic record. I'm sure there is someone out there who can fill in the rest.
 
Sylvia said:
Yes, it's called the Officials Assessment Commission (OAC) - here's the link to the latest ISU Communication: http://www.isu.org/communications/593-isu-communication-2098/file
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Really need to take my time reading this, but from my quick scan, it looks like for many events the OAC sees the event on the tv and then has to rely on computer comparisons of the scores. They're not getting videos of the tech feed or anything special like that. I suppose that helps to see if any judge has gone way off course in comparison to the others, but what I'd like to see is whether the judges are actually judging what is happening on the ice, not just staying in the same corridor as everyone else.

But like I said, I haven't read it carefully, so maybe I've gotten it wrong.
 
Some very interesting dance head-to-heads with athletes from the same country on the entry list for Golden Spin:

All three Spanish dance teams:
Hurtado & Khaliavin
Smart & Diaz
Robledo & Fenero

All three top German dance teams:
Lorenz & Polizoakis
Muller & Dieck
Koch & Nuchtern

Three young Russian dance teams trying to get into the conversation for top 4 at home:
Zagorsky & Guerreiro
Loboda & Drozd
Evdokimova & Bazin

Two of the young U.S. dance teams (they meet at Skate America first):
Hawayek & Baker
Parsons & Parsons (this also gives us a rematch of last season's gold & silver medalists from Junior Worlds, Parsons vs. Loboda & Drozd).

And the lot of these teams will have to deal with . . .

Guignard & Fabbri
 
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Dobre said:
Some very interesting dance head-to-heads with athletes from the same country on the entry list for Golden Spin:


Two of the young U.S. dance teams (they meet at Skate America first):
Hawayek & Baker
Parsons & Parsons (this also gives us a rematch of last season's gold & silver medalists from Junior Worlds, Parsons vs. Loboda & Drozd).

And the lot of these teams will have to deal with . . .

Guignard & Fabbri
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I had forgotten how close H/B scored to G/F at Golden Spin last season-- they almost matched in the FD with 107.84 vs. 107.24. It will be interesting to see in a rematch if they remain so close or if G/F pull away.
 
Think I will table my Hawayek & Baker vs. Guignard & Fabbri comparison until after Skate America. Then both teams will have had three outings in competition, and it will be easier to see what we are looking at there.

Meanwhile, IMO, the Hawayek & Baker program that is really worth watching this season is their exhibition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDp5ndAEsFY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDp5ndAEsFY

Wish they had brought this dynamic--fun/humorous/highlighting his personality--to their Latin SD this season.
 
teacakes said:
So did they withdraw because of that alone or is there an injury involved? Seems a bit defeatist to withdraw if only for citizenship issues.
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I have no idea, but it's probably because of the citizenship since they kept WD last minute. The goal was Olympic, maybe they don't want to keep skating anymore.
My issue is with the timing of the WD. Can't they give the spot to Coomes/Buckland, Smart/Diaz or Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen ? They all live in the "area" with no time difference. The first two could use points leading up to the olympics and are generally appreciated by the public.
 
So is anyone here going to the dance event at Worlds (I guess there is also a dedicated thread in that forum though). I'm getting tickets for FD and not sure which seats to pick...
 
Anyasnake said:
Can't they give the spot to Coomes/Buckland, Smart/Diaz or Fournier-Beaudry/Sorensen? They all live in the "area" with no time difference.
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:(Very strange. Why wait until the last minute again? There are seven North American-based dance teams on the list who could use the spot. It would be better for it to go to anyone than not be filled. Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson have the highest ranking at the moment if you look at the teams head-to-head. (They defeated C&B at NHK). Coomes & Buckland have the highest current season's best score. Min & Gamelin are the highest team on the replacement list that has not received any invitation. Lorenz & Polizoakis train at Marina's rink & their coach is already attending if it's a matter of convenience. Nazarova & Nikitin and Mansour & Ceska train in Detroit also, and Smart & Diaz are in Montreal.

I'm sorry to hear about Tkachenko's citizenship issue. Like the Danes, Tobias & Tkachenko are clearly a team that has earned their place among the top dance teams qualifying for the Olympics. They had a very successful season last year, and could easily qualify for the free dance. Plus, it looks like Israel will qualify as a team for the Olympic games, and T&T were a big part of making that happen.

Also, I am again bummed on the part of Torn & Partanen from Finland. If Israel cannot take their Olympic dance spot, then it goes to Lithuania. It sounds very unlikely that Reed & Ambrulevicius can meet the citizenship requirements for their country, which means the young team would probably go. And Torn & Partanen are more competitive than either they or the second senior Israeli team are, should the second Israeli team have citizenship.
 
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Dobre said:
:(Very strange. Why wait until the last minute again? There are six North American dance teams on the list who could use the spot. It would be better for it to go to anyone than not be filled. Fournier-Beaudry & Sorenson have the highest ranking at the moment if you look at the teams head-to-head. (They defeated C&B at NHK). Coomes & Buckland have the highest current season's best score. Min & Gamelin are the highest team on the replacement list that has not received any invitation. Lorenz & Polizoakis train at Marina's rink & their coach is already attending if it's a matter of convenience. Nazarova & Nikitin and Mansour & Ceska train in Detroit also.

I'm sorry to hear about Tkachenko's citizenship issue. Like the Danes, Tobias & Tkachenko are clearly a team that has earned their place among the top dance teams qualifying for the Olympics. They had a very successful season last year, and could easily qualify for the free dance. Plus, it looks like Israel will qualify as a team for the Olympic games, and T&T were a big part of making that happen.

Also, I am again bummed on the part of Torn & Partanen from Finland. If Israel cannot take their Olympic dance spot, then it goes to Lithuania. It sounds very unlikely that Reed & Ambrulevicius can meet the citizenship requirements for their country, which means the young team would probably go. And Torn & Partanen are more competitive than either they or the second senior Israeli team are, should the second Israeli team have citizenship.
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The article I read that said T/T won't be able to go said that the junior Israeli time will.
 
RoseRed said:
The article I read that said T/T won't be able to go said that the junior Israeli time will.
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The junior team of Ichilov & Davidovich is promising. I thought she was too young. Isn't she only 15? If they can go, I will feel a bit better because the experience will at least be good for them in the long run.

I was thinking, though, that Tankova & Zilderberg are the Israeli team that may meet the requirements.
 
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