Chinese skating news & social media updates pt. 5, 2023 onwards

Ka3sha said:
He has been training and working with Zanni for a year and a half already. Hasn’t competed domestically in Russia since 2022.
Rumors about him switching citizenship has started around the spring of 2023, but were never confirmed officially as he was not a big skating name in Russia.
But I would say he should have his release by now :)
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He did go to Egna training with Zanni for a couple of weeks and trying to find a partner outside Russia after his former partner's sudden pair-up with Denis Samokhin's son. But he didn't find one at the time, nor have long-term visa to stay in Italy, so he went back to Russia for like a year? It was after he paired up with Li this April that he finally got the chance to train in Italy again. So I don't think he has already been released. At the domestic competition some fans asked Li about their status, they themselves don't know whether they could compete internationally this season right now.

Meanwhile the COC women TBDs went to Xiangyi AN & Yi (Beverly) Zhu.
 
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otisgear said:
Where did'm sure anything can happen between now and Worlds, but here's why I think TE is not happening for China in Milano.

The main issue isn't making the top 10, it's getting Oly spots at worlds. I'm gonna treat Dance as a goner for a (very likely) worst case scenario based on the way things look right now. Li/Rodin at the front of the pack may not even be able to attend COC this year despite winning the selection because I think he hasn't gotten his release yet. Olys would be even harder within this short timeframe.

Men's: It's Boyang's to win and Boyang's to lose, and he has imploded at the last 3 worlds he's been to. Even though he was looking good at warmup and practice last worlds it somehow still managed to be a historical worst for him.

Women's: Nobody made the tech mins last year, and this year the combined mins goes up by 5 points. This is the first hurdle that they'll have to get pass. Nini has the best chance and maybe has three shots to get it.

Pairs: Peng/Wang should be fine if they maintain their level of performance but we haven't seen them this season and there was some recurring injury with Wang that has been hampering their training so that's worrying.

The other issue is that there's literally only 1 skater/pair per discipline that can plausibly get that oly spot for China in Men's, Women's and Pairs. None of them are consistent and there's not even a backup skater who could take their place should an injury or something crop up. There is no depth at all in the Senior field right now. Yudong has lower tech than Boyang and even worse consistency. The other women will likely struggle to get mins. And pairs...not even worth mentioning at this point. Zhang/Huang will turn senior eligible next season but I'm not betting on Huang Yihang to show up when he needs to. Y
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From which source did you get the information that injuries of. Wang has been hampering their training?
 
I guess we have our answer about whether or not Rodin's gotten his release -

GP grids were updated for the CoC TBD host spots and Li/Rodin were not one of the two dance teams assigned.

Ice Dance - Xiao/He and Ren/Xing
Pairs - Yang/Deng & Zhang/Jia
Women - Xiangyi "Nini" An & Yi "Beverly" Zhu
Men - Daiwei "David" Dai

 
Li/Rodin will have the opportunity to skate this season full nationally, and also maybe they're in the process of getting the approvals and we'll see them at 4CCs?

Keep in mind that 2 skaters/teams from each discipline will be showing up at Asian Games this season, too. It's in Harbin (Jin's hometown).
 
On My Own said:
Li/Rodin will have the opportunity to skate this season full nationally, and also maybe they're in the process of getting the approvals and we'll see them at 4CCs?

Keep in mind that 2 skaters/teams from each discipline will be showing up at Asian Games this season, too. It's in Harbin (Jin's hometown).
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4CCs is out of the question until he has his release and they can compete internationally in order to earn the CTES mins. Entry deadline for 4CCs is 4 weeks ahead of the competition, so Jan 20th this year, and CTES mins must be earned prior to that date. The last international comp with ice dance scheduled before Jan 20th, is Edusport Trophy, which is Dec 10-15th. Entry deadline for Edusport will, most likely, be 3 weeks ahead of that, so approximately Nov 15th or Nov 22nd. Over the past couple seasons, the RFSF has met twice a year (December & May) and issued releases at those times. The Edusport entry deadline will have passed before the RFSF meets and issues any new releases.

What's more, if the CFSA had any reason to believe that Rodin's release would be forthcoming sooner than the next RFSF meeting in December, they would have surely held off on assigning the host CoC spot as long as possible to give Li/Rodin a chance for it. That it did not happen and knowing how strict the RFSF has been with when they will issue releases for pretty much any and all other skaters, I think it is pretty safe to say that Li/Rodin won't be able to compete at 4CCs.

Asian Games is, of course, a possibility, as there are no CTES mins for that competition and the entry deadline is going to be after the RFSF December meeting. That would seem to be the most likely event for them to show up at and, I'm sure, hopefully, perform well enough to earn the CTES mins necessary for Worlds.
 
I am genuinely surprised that Rodin doesn't have a release, especially since some of the second-third tier skaters easily got it this May. Maybe the issue is with the country that is asking for a release (for example, last year he didn't have a country/federation asking for his release, now it would be Chinese Federation).
Anyway, if he doesn't have it now, his next chance is December, as RFSF holds its meetings twice in a year, in May and December
 
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Ka3sha said:
I am genuinely surprised that Rodin doesn't have a release, especially since some of the second-third tier skaters easily got it this May. Maybe the issue is with the country that is asking for a release (for example, last year he didn't have a country/federation asking for his release, now it would be Chinese Federation).
Anyway, if he doesn't have it now, his next chance is December, as RFSF holds its meetings twice in year, in May and December
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Not sure for how long it was planned - but the results of the ID partner swapping were out in May.
 
Ka3sha said:
I am genuinely surprised that Rodin doesn't have a release, especially since some of the second-third tier skaters easily got it this May. Maybe the issue is with the country that is asking for a release (for example, last year he didn't have a country/federation asking for his release, now it would be Chinese Federation).
Anyway, if he doesn't have it now, his next chance is December, as RFSF holds its meetings twice in year, in May and December
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It may just simply be a matter of timing. Li & Rodin didn't team up until sometime late April/early May. I'm guessing that the CFSA didn't have time to get the release request sent over to the RFSF before their May meeting. I do think that December is most likely and will be crossing my fingers that he receives it so they can compete during the 2nd half of the season.
 
Karen-W said:
Asian Games is, of course, a possibility, as there are no CTES mins for that competition and the entry deadline is going to be after the RFSF December meeting. That would seem to be the most likely event for them to show up at and, I'm sure, hopefully, perform well enough to earn the CTES mins necessary for Worlds.
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Asian Games is never a possibility for Li/Rodin because it requires citizenship. That's why Ye Quan is speeding things up this year to get Korean citizenship in order to participate.

And I can't help to notice that Junfei REN‘s name is typed wrong. It’s NOT “Jungei”…not sure whether it is an error of ISU or CFSA，since both of them are capable of doing this kind of things…
 
On My Own said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1825158806919336079

Sun Youmei is, for some godforesaken reason, doing a 5Tw with a Russian man.
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oh thats where he (i realise yall probably don't know - daniil butenko) ended up. he ended a relationship with Varvara Cherymenko last season to do this. At least he is a junior-level skater. how old is Sun - barely 13?. I acc think acc. to the age rules they might be able to compete. i'd have to check
 
Samurina said:
oh thats where he (i realise yall probably don't know - daniil butenko) ended up. he ended a relationship with Varvara Cherymenko last season to do this. At least he is a junior-level skater. how old is Sun - barely 13?. I acc think acc. to the age rules they might be able to compete. i'd have to check
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born in august 2003 which makes him 20 for this season. https://allskaters.info/daniil_butenko/
Medalist on russian cup series, competitor at senior nats, has 3s,3t,3lo,2a. im not sure how old she is but this is rly impressive (now if she's 11 or 12 this is rly bad forgive me for my not knowing, but if its 14 or 13 its not really different then ellie kam / danny o'shea.)
 
On My Own said:
Nightmareish news.
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ok so edit the girl is likely 12 or 13 which makes it an 8-7 year age gap. bad, but def not the worst. lets not signle out one country(ies) for their age gaps. what about kam/o'shea he's 15 years older than her (enough to be her dad) - while she's 19 they started when she was 17 and he in his 30s. why we only talking about china/russia in this context and the US/Europe gets passes. Lets think critically. i'd rather have a 13 yr old skate with a 20 year old than a 17 year old with a 32 year old.
 
Samurina said:
ok so edit the girl is likely 12 or 13 which makes it an 8-7 year age gap. bad, but def not the worst. lets not signle out one country(ies) for their age gaps. what about kam/o'shea he's 15 years older than her (enough to be her dad) - while she's 19 they started when she was 17 and he in his 30s. why we only talking about china/russia in this context and the US/Europe gets passes. Lets think critically. i'd rather have a 13 yr old skate with a 20 year old than a 17 year old with a 32 year old.
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I'm not singling out anybody at all 🤷‍♂️ I think these are all odd pairings.

And you don't need to worry about my feelings about China vs Europe/US.
 
Samurina said:
ok so edit the girl is likely 12 or 13 which makes it an 8-7 year age gap. bad, but def not the worst. lets not signle out one country(ies) for their age gaps. what about kam/o'shea he's 15 years older than her (enough to be her dad) - while she's 19 they started when she was 17 and he in his 30s. why we only talking about china/russia in this context and the US/Europe gets passes. Lets think critically. i'd rather have a 13 yr old skate with a 20 year old than a 17 year old with a 32 year old.
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Hey, I was not one of those people giving the Kam/O'Shea partnership a pass 2 years ago and I still give it a major side-eye because of the age difference (in addition to her continuing issues with throw triples, lol).

Having said that, no, I can't say that I'd rather have a 13y.o. skating with a 20y.o. vs. a 17y.o. skating with a 32y.o. - there is still WAY too much physical and emotional development that a 13 year old girl has to go through and way too much emotional development still left for a 20 year old guy than with the 17 & 32 year olds respectively.

There is at least a reasonable expectation that the 32 year old will recognize the potential for a power dynamic imbalance in the partnership and keep it all professional and arm's length with a clear, distinct separation of their personal lives, and also that the 17 year old will also have just enough life experience to recognize that this guy IS old enough to be her dad and approach the partnership from the perspective of gaining valuable competitive experience that will set her up nicely when the inevitable partner search commences after the next Olympic season.

In no way can you expect that level of critical, logical thinking from a 20 year old guy and a 13 year old girl.

Speaking to this new potential team attempting a 5tw - what is even the point? Was it added to the scale of values when the quints were added for singles earlier this summer? If not, then there's no reason to even try it. Additionally, quads (both throws and twists) are so devalued in the scale of values that there's no much competitive benefit to one or the other unless you also have a decent, reliable set of SBS triples.
 
Karen-W said:
Speaking to this new potential team attempting a 5tw - what is even the point? Was it added to the scale of values when the quints were added for singles earlier this summer? If not, then there's no reason to even try it. Additionally, quads (both throws and twists) are so devalued in the scale of values that there's no much competitive benefit to one or the other unless you also have a decent, reliable set of SBS triples.
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If it's that idiot Zhang Tianci training them then no - it's just "social media content!1!!!111!!!!!one!" for him.

And her mother is a pretty awful skating parent, too, apparently.
 
Honestly, given that China right now doesn't have any competent male pair skaters and pair skating as a sport doesn't require you to practice at a pretty early age, it is perfectly fine that you can just start pair skating a bit late like over 16 or even 18. Sun Youmei herself landed 3T and 3S when she was 9 years old, she could stick to single skating at first because she could easily medal in major domestic competitions with her good jumping ability and then switched to pair skating if that was what she wanted to do and finally found someone capable.

But, no matter how Chinese skating fans send a lot of thoughtful comments and objective analysis to the coach, her mom, and Sun herself, they just don't listen and even curse them online(Sun might be brainwashed by her mom and her coach though), and China doesn't have any governing bodies to monitor or punish any abusive training methods.

So, in one word in Chinese, 尊重祝福. Probably a harsh reality might give them a tough lesson.
 
raruki said:
But, no matter how Chinese skating fans send a lot of thoughtful comments and objective analysis to the coach, her mom, and Sun herself, they just don't listen and even curse them online(Sun might be brainwashed by her mom and her coach though), and China doesn't have any governing bodies to monitor or punish any abusive training methods.
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I mean you don't really need to send any analysis to Sun, who shouldn't be on social media at all. (I feel lucky there was no twitter when I was growing up...)

Her mom and coach (is it ZTC again?) are to be blamed.
 
raruki said:
Honestly, given that China right now doesn't have any competent male pair skaters and pair skating as a sport doesn't require you to practice at a pretty early age, it is perfectly fine that you can just start pair skating a bit late like over 16 or even 18. Sun Youmei herself landed 3T and 3S when she was 9 years old, she could stick to single skating at first because she could easily medal in major domestic competitions with her good jumping ability and then switched to pair skating if that was what she wanted to do and finally found someone capable.

But, no matter how Chinese skating fans send a lot of thoughtful comments and objective analysis to the coach, her mom, and Sun herself, they just don't listen and even curse them online(Sun might be brainwashed by her mom and her coach though), and China doesn't have any governing bodies to monitor or punish any abusive training methods.

So, in one word in Chinese, 尊重祝福. Probably a harsh reality might give them a tough lesson.
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I even heard that her mom badmouthed Sui? I need @otisgear to verify it.
 
On My Own said:
I mean you don't really need to send any analysis to Sun, who shouldn't be on social media at all. (I feel lucky there was no twitter when I was growing up...)

Her mom and coach (is it ZTC again?) are to be blamed.
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Yeah, that psycho again.
 
There is a rumor saying that Sui had a trial with Li Ze'en, Sun’s former partner, but it ended up so funny as Sui, at the end of the day, had to be his personal coach for a day to teach him the basic skating skills as he is just so bad technically in all way and he barely lifted Sui.
 
Samurina said:
ok so edit the girl is likely 12 or 13 which makes it an 8-7 year age gap. bad, but def not the worst. lets not signle out one country(ies) for their age gaps. what about kam/o'shea he's 15 years older than her (enough to be her dad) - while she's 19 they started when she was 17 and he in his 30s. why we only talking about china/russia in this context and the US/Europe gets passes. Lets think critically. i'd rather have a 13 yr old skate with a 20 year old than a 17 year old with a 32 year old.
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She was born in December 2012 so that makes her 11 going on 12... There's no way she can compete junior internationally with this Russian guy when she turns 13.
 
raruki said:
But, no matter how Chinese skating fans send a lot of thoughtful comments and objective analysis to the coach, her mom, and Sun herself, they just don't listen and even curse them online(Sun might be brainwashed by her mom and her coach though)
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Sun and Sun's mom have long bought their psycho coach's idea and proud of the fact that they can podium at domestic competitions by having a 23 year old yeet and lift her little girl into the air with minimal effort. Zhang Tianci has been bragging that he made them a "nationally second place" team in just two years....
(note they did not place second in nationals, they placed second at the champions competition which top teams usually skip)

So why would they want to compete with heaps of talented young girls in singles when they can just take advantage of this loophole for a technical advantage in pairs?
 
raruki said:
There is a rumor saying that Sui had a trial with Li Ze'en, Sun’s former partner, but it ended up so funny as Sui, at the end of the day, had to be his personal coach for a day to teach him the basic skating skills as he is just so bad technically in all way and he barely lifted Sui.
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This rumour is such a complete joke because this guy has never lifted anyone besides a 10 year old...
If he was a half-decent pairs man he'd get an age appropriate partner and compete internationally already.
 
It's not a rumour coming from anyone remotely reliable, I would guess, as is the case with 90% of the "rumours" on Chinese social media.
 
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