Chinese skating news & social media updates pt. 5, 2023 onwards
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But its easier to be in number 1 in China and to represent China internationally
She and Wang are good friends. Only the height problem is the main cause of their split
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Sure, as long as you don't necessarily expect to make it to the Olympics until 2030 at the earliest. There are only 23 spots for ice dance teams in Milano-Cortina and it's going to be incredibly hard to earn one of those spots as a new team this season.
She is working very hard. And she has the biggest potential out of all the Chinese ice dance women right now.
They have been paired up for less than 3 months. What kind of top performance
are you expecting right now?
are you expecting right now?
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I don't know where China is sitting in the TE standings or is likely to be at the end of this season.
They have been skating together for less than 3 months. What kind of top performance are you expecting for the first competition?
Not to be pessimistic but there's no chance China makes TE at Milano
Here is the (complete disaster) pairs SP from the 5th stop:
1. Guo Rui/Zhang Yiwen 49.68
2. Zhang Siyang/Jia Ziqi 47.38
3. Yang Yixi/Deng Shunyang 46.73
4. Chen Meishuyu/Wang Zhiyu 42.52
What does it say when your junior team beat your senior teams even though they had an under-rotated fall on their SBS
Zhang/Jia is wayyy off the mark based on their performance today. Not attempting a triple throw (can they even? they sure did enough with their previous partners that no one expected them to go for a 2FTh here..) and looking rough in all aspects. Yang/Deng's 3STh is still a yeet and pray as well.
It's 2 senior eligible teams going for 2 available COC spots but tbh I don't think they deserve it based on their showing today. We'll see how they do in the FP tomorrow but today was major yikes all around.
1. Guo Rui/Zhang Yiwen 49.68
2. Zhang Siyang/Jia Ziqi 47.38
3. Yang Yixi/Deng Shunyang 46.73
4. Chen Meishuyu/Wang Zhiyu 42.52
What does it say when your junior team beat your senior teams even though they had an under-rotated fall on their SBS
Zhang/Jia is wayyy off the mark based on their performance today. Not attempting a triple throw (can they even? they sure did enough with their previous partners that no one expected them to go for a 2FTh here..) and looking rough in all aspects. Yang/Deng's 3STh is still a yeet and pray as well.
It's 2 senior eligible teams going for 2 available COC spots but tbh I don't think they deserve it based on their showing today. We'll see how they do in the FP tomorrow but today was major yikes all around.
One spot goes to Peng and Wang. Why they don't deserve sending other pairs? They are the host!Here is the (complete disaster) pairs SP from the 5th stop:
1. Guo Rui/Zhang Yiwen 49.68
2. Zhang Siyang/Jia Ziqi 47.38
3. Yang Yixi/Deng Shunyang 46.73
4. Chen Meishuyu/Wang Zhiyu 42.52
What does it say when your junior team beat your senior teams even though they had an under-rotated fall on their SBS
Zhang/Jia is wayyy off the mark based on their performance today. Not attempting a triple throw (can they even? they sure did enough with their previous partners that no one expected them to go for a 2FTh here..) and looking rough in all aspects. Yang/Deng's 3STh is still a yeet and pray as well.
It's 2 senior eligible teams going for 2 available COC spots but tbh I don't think they deserve it based on their showing today. We'll see how they do in the FP tomorrow but today was major yikes all around.
Because they sucked and the spot could go to pairs that can do better, even if not Chinese, IDK.
China isn't exactly capitalizing on the opportunities provided by ISU to grow its skating.
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I don't have many expectations for teams that have been together such a short length of time unless they're really experienced competitors like, say, Smart/Dieck last season. Li/Rodin are certainly not bad by any stretch of the imagination and they may very well slip their way into the top 20 after the RD at Worlds this year but it would take errors on the part of other, much more experienced teams (Soucisse/Firus, Bekker/Hernandez, Janse van Rensburg/Steffan, the #3 US team, Tkachenko/Kiliakov). Their score here puts them on that bubble but it's a domestic competition and one should always factor that domestic score inflation into the discussion about where a team is likely to settle into the international scene. All of that is just a long-winded way of saying we need to see what sort of scores they receive at some Challengers and CoC.
But, the greater challenge for them is the very short timeline they're looking at to qualify for Milano-Cortina. The first 19 spots are going to be awarded at Worlds - and if they don't make the FD then they're not getting one of those first 19 spots and they'll have to compete for one of the 4 remaining spots at the Olympic Qualifier which is probably going to be held in late September/early October 2025. That's just 14 months and they're going to be competing with a bunch of other really talented teams who are unlucky enough to not make the FD at Worlds - all of whom are also improving. Li/Rodin are lucky to come from a GP host fed so they at least have the advantage of 1 guaranteed GP every year and we'll see how they can make the most of that opportunity but the ice dance field is so very deep internationally it is still a big ask for any of us to think they could earn a spot in Milano-Cortina.
TE standings don't start calculating until Worlds 2025. China is at an advantage over a lot of other countries that will be on the bubble for a few reasons -
1) China will have entries in all four disciplines and even if those skaters/teams don't make the FS/FD at Worlds where the most points are up for grabs, they can use their results from 2025 4CCs to earn a lower amount of points in the Championships column for each discipline. A lot of other countries (Great Britain, Switzerland, Hungary, Finland, etc) may also have entries in all four disciplines but their Championships backup points are going to be earned at Euros but making the FS/FD at Euros isn't a near certainty the way it is for at least one skater/team per country at 4CCs.
2) China is a GP host fed which means that there is a strong likelihood of earning points in the GP column for each discipline. And if they don't earn GP points they can use their JGP results to earn a lower amount of points in that GP column. Even if they don't earn MANY points, they're still earning points which can't be said for skaters/teams from a lot of other countries that will be on that same bubble. Just going off of last season's results, China would be sitting at 11th points-wise.
3) So, 11th points-wise doesn't get them into the TE, I know. But let's look at the teams immediately ahead of China in the standings. The team sitting just ahead of them in 10th is Switzerland - they have a new pairs team that we haven't seen yet and an ice dance team that is probably about the same level as Li/Rodin. Could they qualify in one or both of those disciplines? Jury is still out on that. Then, there's the team in 9th - Korea. They don't have a pairs team and don't seem to have one on the horizon. Yes, they could compete in the TE fielding entries in only 3 disciplines. Will they? They didn't in 2022 when they earned a spot. And the team sitting in 8th is Great Britain - there is a real question as to how many disciplines they can qualify for the Olympics in.
I think China is actually in a stronger position to qualify in at least 3 disciplines than Great Britain. Jin's meltdown at Worlds was - not good but if he can put together a solid SP in Boston that scores 80-ish points, that will get him to the FS and earn a spot for Milano-Cortina. Nini is a talented skater and certainly can beat the 53.81 SP score posted by the 24th place finisher in Montreal. Like Jin, as long as she can get to the FS, that almost certainly guarantees China a spot for Milano-Cortina. And Peng/Wang are solid enough to get one of the 16 pairs spots up for grabs at Worlds. That's three disciplines right there. The same cannot be said for Great Britain's entries - Appleby has a better shot at one of the men's spots than Povey does for one of the women's spots, and Vaipan-Law/Digby are going to be on that bubble given the relative depth of the pairs field right now. The only certain spot that Great Britain has is ice dance, similar to China's only certain spot right now probably being in pairs. But if you asked me which country I thought had a better chance at qualifying in more disciplines,
% it would be China and as long as they qualify in Men, Women & Pairs then I firmly believe China would use one of the TE quota spots for their dance team in order to compete in the TE. It won't be easy and China may not qualify for the TE but I don't think they're out of the conversation for Milano-Cortina by any stretch.Nice-Alpes Maritime 2030, Salt Lake City 2034
Here is the (complete disaster) pairs SP from the 5th stop:
1. Guo Rui/Zhang Yiwen 49.68
2. Zhang Siyang/Jia Ziqi 47.38
3. Yang Yixi/Deng Shunyang 46.73
4. Chen Meishuyu/Wang Zhiyu 42.52
What does it say when your junior team beat your senior teams even though they had an under-rotated fall on their SBS
Zhang/Jia is wayyy off the mark based on their performance today. Not attempting a triple throw (can they even? they sure did enough with their previous partners that no one expected them to go for a 2FTh here..) and looking rough in all aspects. Yang/Deng's 3STh is still a yeet and pray as well.
It's 2 senior eligible teams going for 2 available COC spots but tbh I don't think they deserve it based on their showing today. We'll see how they do in the FP tomorrow but today was major yikes all around.
Peng/Wang have already been assigned to CoC by virtue of 1) China being a host fed and, more importantly, being in the WS & SB Top 24 lists - which guarantees them 1 assignment. GP host feds usually scratch each other's backs and make sure their teams who are on both the WS & SB Top 24 lists who aren't guaranteed 2 assignments due to placing top 10 at Worlds still get 2 and this year was no different for Peng/Wang than it was for the US, Canadian & French teams in the same boat.
As far as the other teams... The GP host feds aren't required to enter for their host spots skaters/teams that meet the GP total score minimum however it is strongly encouraged. Some GP host feds are shameless and use the spots regardless (looking at you, FFSG), others not so much (JSF, Finnish fed) and they invite other skaters/teams to fill their unused host spots. China has fallen somewhere in the middle, IMO, when it comes to shamelessly using their host spots versus giving them to other countries' skaters/teams.
Those SP scores are definitely on the low side for senior teams and the CFSA might decide that national pride of not having their teams not named Peng/Wang finish dead last and second to dead last by a wide margin is more important than giving those teams a home GP assignment. Honestly, if I was the CFSA, I'd hold off on confirming those host spots to any of these teams and send them to one of the first three Challengers (John Nicks IPC, Lombardia, Nebelhorn) to see how they fare at a Challenger with an international panel of judges. Another 4-6 weeks of training could be all they need to demonstrate they aren't going to be an embarrassment at their home GP.
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well i think they r a new pairing so a triple throw does tend to take a long time esp. when the partners have never worked together and are used to different technique. i also think looking at their competitive records zhang siyang perfered the sal and loop while jia preferred the flip throw so that may also be why. the triple twist looks good for how new they are and COC is still 3 months away roughly so i dont think they are that bad.Here is the (complete disaster) pairs SP from the 5th stop:
1. Guo Rui/Zhang Yiwen 49.68
2. Zhang Siyang/Jia Ziqi 47.38
3. Yang Yixi/Deng Shunyang 46.73
4. Chen Meishuyu/Wang Zhiyu 42.52
What does it say when your junior team beat your senior teams even though they had an under-rotated fall on their SBS
Zhang/Jia is wayyy off the mark based on their performance today. Not attempting a triple throw (can they even? they sure did enough with their previous partners that no one expected them to go for a 2FTh here..) and looking rough in all aspects. Yang/Deng's 3STh is still a yeet and pray as well.
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looking at scores the top 4 are within 5 points of each other which is really exciting that they are equal. Shi/Wang were set up to be the weaker team but hopefully they can develop. I really hope (but don't expect) these teams to stay together as this will be really exciting for chinese danceIt was Matteo Zanni who suggested Rodin to approach Li for a partnership. So I hope they will stick together at least for this season.
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1st
Li & Rodin (training with Matteo Zanni):
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Zixi XIAO & Linghao HE (training at IAM)
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Yufei LIN & Zijian GAO (programs choreographed by Pascal Denis)
4th
Junfei REN & Jianing XING (training in Lyon)
5th
Shang SHI & Xinkang WANG
There are some mistakes but this The Guadians of the Galaxy program is so fun! Xinkang is certainly very Starlord!
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It really depends on the team. McBeath/Parkman had solid triple throws within a few months of partnering up last year. Kam/O'Shea, on the other hand, are still struggling on their triple throws and they've been together nearly two years.
This is the sensible thing to do but CFSA has never been known to be sensible... Nor do they like to send people to Senior Bs in general. The only early season Senior B they ever send people to (besides Shanghai trophy) is Asian Open. Anything later in the season is just to get mins. I think only Boyang got 1 challenger last season that was not for the purpose of getting mins.
I'm sure anything can happen between now and Worlds, but here's why I think TE is not happening for China in Milano.I think China is actually in a stronger position to qualify in at least 3 disciplines than Great Britain. Jin's meltdown at Worlds was - not good but if he can put together a solid SP in Boston that scores 80-ish points, that will get him to the FS and earn a spot for Milano-Cortina. Nini is a talented skater and certainly can beat the 53.81 SP score posted by the 24th place finisher in Montreal. Like Jin, as long as she can get to the FS, that almost certainly guarantees China a spot for Milano-Cortina. And Peng/Wang are solid enough to get one of the 16 pairs spots up for grabs at Worlds. That's three disciplines right there. The same cannot be said for Great Britain's entries - Appleby has a better shot at one of the men's spots than Povey does for one of the women's spots, and Vaipan-Law/Digby are going to be on that bubble given the relative depth of the pairs field right now. The only certain spot that Great Britain has is ice dance, similar to China's only certain spot right now probably being in pairs. But if you asked me which country I thought had a better chance at qualifying in more disciplines,
The main issue isn't making the top 10, it's getting Oly spots at worlds. I'm gonna treat Dance as a goner for a (very likely) worst case scenario based on the way things look right now. Li/Rodin at the front of the pack may not even be able to attend COC this year despite winning the selection because I think he hasn't gotten his release yet. Olys would be even harder within this short timeframe.
Men's: It's Boyang's to win and Boyang's to lose, and he has imploded at the last 3 worlds he's been to. Even though he was looking good at warmup and practice last worlds it somehow still managed to be a historical worst for him.
Women's: Nobody made the tech mins last year, and this year the combined mins goes up by 5 points. This is the first hurdle that they'll have to get pass. Nini has the best chance and maybe has three shots to get it.
Pairs: Peng/Wang should be fine if they maintain their level of performance but we haven't seen them this season and there was some recurring injury with Wang that has been hampering their training so that's worrying.
The other issue is that there's literally only 1 skater/pair per discipline that can plausibly get that oly spot for China in Men's, Women's and Pairs. None of them are consistent and there's not even a backup skater who could take their place should an injury or something crop up. There is no depth at all in the Senior field right now. Yudong has lower tech than Boyang and even worse consistency. The other women will likely struggle to get mins. And pairs...not even worth mentioning at this point. Zhang/Huang will turn senior eligible next season but I'm not betting on Huang Yihang to show up when he needs to.
ICE DANCE Overall Placements
Xuantong Li & Grigorii Rodin (not sure for COC)
Zixi XIAO & Linghao HE (guaranteed COC)
Junfei REN & Jianing XING (may go to COC if Li & Rodin can't go）
Yufei LIN & Zijian GAO
Shang SHI & Xinkang WANG
FDs
1st
Xuantong Li & Grigorii Rodin
FD：The Blower's Daughter
Choreographer (presumably)： Matteo Zanni
https://youtu.be/FXf397lRLbo?si=zHvR9Zqqbqm1s3vW
2nd
Zixi XIAO & Linghao HE
FD：Romeo & Juliet
Choreographer: Pascal Denis
https://youtu.be/MUM7hBFW-Pg?si=uizmdzgzQSvrwlZd
3rd
Junfei REN & Jianing XING
FD: Classical Music for a King building his Empire & Break the Silence
Choreographers (presumably)：Olivier Schoenfelder and Marien de la Asuncion
https://youtu.be/nMczwgtbANM?si=tQl1JAxZoeaM6Vjh
4th
Shang SHI & Xinkang WANG
FD：Assassins' Creed
Choreographer(presumably): Nan WU & Chongbo GAO
Again very cool concept of the program. I have to say their programs this season are the most interesting ones of all Chinese ice dancers.
https://youtu.be/B9_lJFwn_gg?si=n69VzAS8jBD1XqPQ
5th
Yufei LIN & Zijian GAO
FD: The Feeling Begins & Troy
Choreographer: Pascal Denis
I really hope they had chosen to stay junior for this season…
https://youtu.be/P4ukaNFPTmw?si=RQZped1MoBISp0oK
Xuantong Li & Grigorii Rodin (not sure for COC)
Zixi XIAO & Linghao HE (guaranteed COC)
Junfei REN & Jianing XING (may go to COC if Li & Rodin can't go）
Yufei LIN & Zijian GAO
Shang SHI & Xinkang WANG
FDs
1st
Xuantong Li & Grigorii Rodin
FD：The Blower's Daughter
Choreographer (presumably)： Matteo Zanni
https://youtu.be/FXf397lRLbo?si=zHvR9Zqqbqm1s3vW
2nd
Zixi XIAO & Linghao HE
FD：Romeo & Juliet
Choreographer: Pascal Denis
https://youtu.be/MUM7hBFW-Pg?si=uizmdzgzQSvrwlZd
3rd
Junfei REN & Jianing XING
FD: Classical Music for a King building his Empire & Break the Silence
Choreographers (presumably)：Olivier Schoenfelder and Marien de la Asuncion
https://youtu.be/nMczwgtbANM?si=tQl1JAxZoeaM6Vjh
4th
Shang SHI & Xinkang WANG
FD：Assassins' Creed
Choreographer(presumably): Nan WU & Chongbo GAO
Again very cool concept of the program. I have to say their programs this season are the most interesting ones of all Chinese ice dancers.
https://youtu.be/B9_lJFwn_gg?si=n69VzAS8jBD1XqPQ
5th
Yufei LIN & Zijian GAO
FD: The Feeling Begins & Troy
Choreographer: Pascal Denis
I really hope they had chosen to stay junior for this season…
https://youtu.be/P4ukaNFPTmw?si=RQZped1MoBISp0oK
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They did send people to CS events in 2017-18 and also 2019-20. Last season, Boyang got to go to Autumn Classic, too.
In 2021, W/L were scheduled to compete in Autumn Classic as well, but who knows what the reason they withdrew was at this point.
I think it's more that they want to spend money on people they consider "worthy".
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Given that Li/Rodin train in Italy, I'd say the likelihood of them being assigned to any of the European Challengers is better than most other teams. Not sure the CFSA would spend the money to enter any of their pairs teams or other skaters who could do with more international exposure. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Yeah, if they're being paid for by the CFSA to train outside, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to at least go to a CS event if they're allowed to compete for China lol.
Same for anyone else with foreign coaches (I'm forgetting who else, maybe Yudong will show up in a CS event).
He has been training and working with Zanni for a year and a half already. Hasn’t competed domestically in Russia since 2022.
Rumors about him switching citizenship has started around the spring of 2023, but were never confirmed officially as he was not a big skating name in Russia.
But I would say he should have his release by now
Yea, the only ones to get challengers outside of Asian Open and Shanghai trophy are those who were already training overseas at that time (so minimal travel costs to send them to their 'local' challengers). I don't see that happening for the pairs.
I believe the money for Challengers/Senior Bs are now paid for by provincial teams or skaters themselves. But they still need approval from the fed to enter these competitions which they've been weird about last season.
I believe the money for Challengers/Senior Bs are now paid for by provincial teams or skaters themselves. But they still need approval from the fed to enter these competitions which they've been weird about last season.
Jin got Golden Spin too. Of course, maybe he just has a lot of money at this point of time, but there's certainly precedent.
Pairs is definitely strange, I do think Peng/Wang need the experience.
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