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They have officially suspended play for the evening - good! Why did it take so long?
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9-10 minutes of CPR doesn’t sound good to this RN. I would assume intubation and hypothermia protocol to try to reverse any neuro damage. Prayers to him and his family
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Official NFL statement says critical condition, no further details.
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I’m a Bills fan and I don’t care if they takethe loss. There’s just no way they should play so soon after what happened.
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Someone stated that the teams knew but stadium staff and security needed to be in “end of game” place before emptying the stadium. That makes sense but still looks really bad.
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Because it's the NFL?
First of all, they were probably waiting on some sort of status update from the hospital, hoping and praying that Hamlin could at least be stabilized.
Second, at this point in the season, they're probably trying to figure out if/when there will be a chance to finish the game and what playoff implications there are if they don't.
My thoughts and prayers to Hamlin, his family, the Bills players, staff and fans, and, pretty much all NFL fans.
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One of the our resident ER Docs chimed in on another board
Just the relatively uniformed thoughts of a simple country ER doc watching from afar. Peace:
Tough to speculate with so little info. Likely sudden cardiac dysrhytmia such as VF/VT. Whether a result of blunt chest injury or underlying condition such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, for example, who knows. Maybe a combination of all the above. Nonetheless we probably would not use this term in the moment. Rather: cardiac arrest or sudden cardiac death.
Agree, less likely from brain or spine injury, although still possible. Watched play multiple times. Blow was to torso/chest, not head. He jumped up immediately after with no apparent injury or pain. Then wobbled and fell to ground while losing consciousness (we call this “syncope.) Would expect immediate loss of conciuosness/motor impairment with brain/spine injury.
Apparent cardiac arrest with CPR in progress would also suggest primary cardiac cause (less likely this would be an immediate result of neurologic trauma.)
They will stay on scene until we are able to regain a stable cardiac rhythm most of the time. Reason is most pre hospital cardiac arrest resuscitation is successful only if pulse is regained on scene.
Requiring respiratory support after successful resuscitation is pretty common and not necessarily a poor prognostic indicator. There is usually some anoxic brain injury resulting in coma of impairment at least temporarily after more than a few minutes of cardiac arrest. He is young, healthy and much more likely to make a complete recovery than those less healthy.
Other explanations possible but seem less likely.
Hoping the best for this young man and family.
Agree cancelling game is only decision.
Just the relatively uniformed thoughts of a simple country ER doc watching from afar. Peace:
Tough to speculate with so little info. Likely sudden cardiac dysrhytmia such as VF/VT. Whether a result of blunt chest injury or underlying condition such as hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, for example, who knows. Maybe a combination of all the above. Nonetheless we probably would not use this term in the moment. Rather: cardiac arrest or sudden cardiac death.
Agree, less likely from brain or spine injury, although still possible. Watched play multiple times. Blow was to torso/chest, not head. He jumped up immediately after with no apparent injury or pain. Then wobbled and fell to ground while losing consciousness (we call this “syncope.) Would expect immediate loss of conciuosness/motor impairment with brain/spine injury.
Apparent cardiac arrest with CPR in progress would also suggest primary cardiac cause (less likely this would be an immediate result of neurologic trauma.)
They will stay on scene until we are able to regain a stable cardiac rhythm most of the time. Reason is most pre hospital cardiac arrest resuscitation is successful only if pulse is regained on scene.
Requiring respiratory support after successful resuscitation is pretty common and not necessarily a poor prognostic indicator. There is usually some anoxic brain injury resulting in coma of impairment at least temporarily after more than a few minutes of cardiac arrest. He is young, healthy and much more likely to make a complete recovery than those less healthy.
Other explanations possible but seem less likely.
Hoping the best for this young man and family.
Agree cancelling game is only decision.
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I think once they got the players off the field and away from the cameras, it was reasonable to take the time to let everyone grapple with what they just saw.
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The medical types have also discussed commotio cordis which is so rare and this doctor does a good job of explaining it but it does show the Hamlin play:
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This seems quite similar to that soccer player in Europe who has the same thing he just collapsed after a play and they had to do CPR on the field etc . Now he’s playing for Man United I think they put a defibrillator in his heart? Just hope he can fully recover as seems like a lovely young man. Sad to watch. His poor parents.
After Wheel and Jeopardy I turned to msnbc to watch Lawrence O'Donnell.He opened with this news about Hamlin. It sounded very serious, so I switched to ESPN. I am waiting to see if there is an update.
They say he is in critical condition. I see this as there is hope. My brother suddenly died of a heart attack on January 2nd (today's date) eight years ago. So I am very pessimistic when I hear of a heart attack. I had a bad feeling when I heard of Hamlin's injury and suspension of the game by the NFL.
Human life is more important than any game. I am glad that they canceled the rest of the game.
I hope Hamlin survives and has a normal life In the future.
They say he is in critical condition. I see this as there is hope. My brother suddenly died of a heart attack on January 2nd (today's date) eight years ago. So I am very pessimistic when I hear of a heart attack. I had a bad feeling when I heard of Hamlin's injury and suspension of the game by the NFL.
Human life is more important than any game. I am glad that they canceled the rest of the game.
I hope Hamlin survives and has a normal life In the future.
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I understand he had raised money to help with Christmas toys and now his gofundme page is exploding. Good!
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His goal for the toy drive was $2500. Since his collapse the link has been passed around Twitter and is now over $800,000.
The doctor explained it very well. Thanks for the link.The medical types have also discussed commotio cordis which is so rare and this doctor does a good job of explaining it but it does show the Hamlin play:
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I am all over the place tonight. I just want to cry. This game is so dangerous sometimes. I'm relieved they stopped the game. I am checking social media incessantly...I just want him to be ok. Here's the link to his charity, if anyone is interested:
https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-th...nk_all&utm_source=customer&utm_term=undefined
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Take care of yourself on social media. The stupid anti-vaxxers are out in force.
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Thanks for posting the link (I was coming here to do that but you beat me to it). I posted the link to FB and Twitter after I made a donation to his charity. I have been praying tonight but I wanted something tangible to show support to him and his family. I felt like it was the least I could do for him. Continued prayers and love to Damar, his loved ones, and all the players/coaches. 
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The local Cincinnati NBC affiliate, WLWT 5, showed UC Medical Center tonight and people are starting to gather outside in support.
When the news is on the air you can watch for free on their website. I think they go back on the air tomorrow at 5 a.m. ET.
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Click on the red Live link at the top of the page. When they are not on the air there is a blue on demand link. Sharing in case someone is interested in the local perspective.
The newscaster mentioned that it's a level one trauma center and that a Steelers player had been treated there in the past. She also mentioned that Damar Hamlin's mother was in Cincinnati for the game. I can't begin to imagine what she feels right now.
When the news is on the air you can watch for free on their website. I think they go back on the air tomorrow at 5 a.m. ET.
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The newscaster mentioned that it's a level one trauma center and that a Steelers player had been treated there in the past. She also mentioned that Damar Hamlin's mother was in Cincinnati for the game. I can't begin to imagine what she feels right now.
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I would imagine it was some nature of a ventricular fibrillation arrest based on the hit. CPR and AED use were indicated. I hope the family gets some answers soon
Damar Hamlin received medical help almost immediately. I am hoping that it will be enough to save his life. I don't care if he plays football again. I just want him to live and have a normal life.
About this sport being violent, I agree, but many sports have some danger. Pairs skating, for example, can create life threatening injuries. To me, this seems like an accident. Not every hit in football creates this kind of situation (heart related). Concussions or breaking bones are more common. How fortunate that they had all the equipment and medical staff ready for him.
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After watching some interviews on tv, this event could change the game. Those who played the game for years say that it has affected their bodies negatively.
About this sport being violent, I agree, but many sports have some danger. Pairs skating, for example, can create life threatening injuries. To me, this seems like an accident. Not every hit in football creates this kind of situation (heart related). Concussions or breaking bones are more common. How fortunate that they had all the equipment and medical staff ready for him.
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After watching some interviews on tv, this event could change the game. Those who played the game for years say that it has affected their bodies negatively.
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LeBron James said it perfectly after tonight's Lakers-Hornets game - "the safety of players in all sports is the most important."
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One of my co-workers from decades ago - just when AEDs were beginning to be in public areas - her grandson playing HS football got a ball to the chest, in the split instance just as a cardiac rhythm was beginning stages (ST or something).
No medical equipment available (~1990's) she (nurse) in the stands, ran down the bleachers to start CPR. It nearly destroyed her when he died. I cant imagine what Hamlin's mother is going through.
No medical equipment available (~1990's) she (nurse) in the stands, ran down the bleachers to start CPR. It nearly destroyed her when he died. I cant imagine what Hamlin's mother is going through.
CNN has Some updates.
Bills have published a statement the Damar's heartbeat was restored on the field. (That sounds encouraging). Damar's mother was with him in the ambulance.
CNN interviewed two ER physicians. Both were concerned about how long he was without Oxygen. One said they must have put him in medically induced coma, intubated him, and they will monitor him for 24-48 hours to see if his heart is working.
All the Buffalo players are returning to Buffalo.
Bills have published a statement the Damar's heartbeat was restored on the field. (That sounds encouraging). Damar's mother was with him in the ambulance.
CNN interviewed two ER physicians. Both were concerned about how long he was without Oxygen. One said they must have put him in medically induced coma, intubated him, and they will monitor him for 24-48 hours to see if his heart is working.
All the Buffalo players are returning to Buffalo.
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I’ve watched professional football for most of my life. Injuries are part of the game but I have never seen anything like that on the field. It’s been a rough and tumble game for generations. Until last night having we’ve been living charmed lives when it comes to cardiac injuries?
Some thoughts on what treatment is availabe: https://twitter.com/BenjaminAbella/status/1610156874091073540?s=20&t=VbnZS07_ryv2cIw7x9-A6g
And now we learn that Jeremy Renner's accident also involved blunt force trauma to his chest and a severe leg injury. Did he fall under the plow?
Hamlin's gofundme is nearing 3.5 million.
Some thoughts on what treatment is availabe: https://twitter.com/BenjaminAbella/status/1610156874091073540?s=20&t=VbnZS07_ryv2cIw7x9-A6g
And now we learn that Jeremy Renner's accident also involved blunt force trauma to his chest and a severe leg injury. Did he fall under the plow?
Hamlin's gofundme is nearing 3.5 million.
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What happened last night is extremely rare, based on what sports experts and former football players said. Spinal injuries, head injuries are far more common than cardiac ones. Just about everyone said - I had never seen anything like this before, and they have watched or played the game for decades. This was a very unfortunate incident, but I wouldn't generalize it.
On the positive side, they had all the equipment and medical team to respond to the injury as soon as it occurred (10 seconds, from what I read). The players, coaches, the NFL responded appropriately. The NFL was criticized by a few as " didn't cancel the game immediately, or what took them so long?" We will await the explanation from the league, but I am thinking that initially their announcement may have been SOP for any injury on the field. Minutes later they realized this was more serious, so after consultation they canceled the game.
I am wondering though if JJ Watts of the AZ Cardinals may skip the final game of the season? Even though he was cleared to play after a heart problem a few weeks ago, an incident like this could influence him. He has already announced his retirement after this season, and the heart issue may have hastened it.
Can we get rid of all injuries from sports? Impossible. The athletes know they are taking a risk, but when something like this happens, it makes everyone think. It must have been a terrible shock to those on or near the field. So it is understandable if they react strongly (and they did, by crying, praying, supporting- all positive reactions).
When we hear of plane crashes,do we stop flying? One airline did - after the first Concord crash, but that is rare. Accidents happen, and this one sounds like an accident where the blow to the heart occurred at a critical moment of the heart cycle.
It gives me hope that since Hamlin received the treatment he needed immediately and he may have a chance of survival. I hope he makes it through this and has a happy life. From what I am reading, he is a caring, generous person. I made a small donation to his charity last night.
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Seeing the response from the players last night, so many in tears, brought home to me the fact that these are very young men, usually in their 20s, playing this game, who have probably never seen any such situation before (and hopefully never will again).
I am hoping that they are doing what is known as "hypothermia protocol" on Hamlin, which is an induced state of hypothermia for 24 hours, then slowly rewarmed, to decrease the risk of anoxic brain injury (especially after such a long time of CPR). It is commonly done for witnessed cardiac arrests where the person is not waking up or following commands after resucitation. On young and reasonably healthy people like Hamlin, it can really help preserve brain function.
I am hoping that they are doing what is known as "hypothermia protocol" on Hamlin, which is an induced state of hypothermia for 24 hours, then slowly rewarmed, to decrease the risk of anoxic brain injury (especially after such a long time of CPR). It is commonly done for witnessed cardiac arrests where the person is not waking up or following commands after resucitation. On young and reasonably healthy people like Hamlin, it can really help preserve brain function.
