Decisions of the ISU Council: Stockholm Worlds (March 22-28) still on; Synchro Worlds cancelled; 2021 Grand Prix schedule/Beijing test event announced

Theatregirl1122 said:
A friend of a friend had it twice. The second time was MUCH worse and resulted in hospitalization. People should not be assuming they have immunity. Especially if they had a mild case.
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No, people should follow appropriate precautions, not to mention the protocols in place for the event. But the data does suggest that any previously infected skaters are not that likely to have it/spread it. Though of course, "not likely" is not the same as "not at all able".
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misskarne said:
Not to mention we already know you can get the variants - Sweden's current problem - even if you already had the "original" version.
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You can get a variant that's in Sweden on a flight from Russia? Because people were taking issue with how the skaters were behaving en route - which I'm not going to defend, it was irresponsible and a bad example to others. But some of the reactions were just excessive.

The vaccination status of participants came up earlier - I think I read somewhere that the Italians were/are being vaccinated due to being police officers? The only one I know for sure has been vaccinated is Dr. Valtter Virtanen. The Israelis are eligible but they all train abroad and wouldn't have had the chance.
 
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MsZem said:
How many of the Russian skaters have already had CV?
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I think at least 11.

The thing is . . . it would only take one exposure, no? One sick person to expose everyone in the bubble, and everyone in the bubble could go into quarantine, regardless of whether they've been infected previously.

I wish the best for the Russian team and for all the teams & athletes traveling to Worlds. Having said that, it never hurts to show a little bit of class. AKA respect for the health & safety of all the people that have invested time, money, and effort into making sure the athletes have the opportunity that lies ahead of them.
 
Karen-W said:
Team Italy is also traveling together from the looks of Matteo Rizzo's latest IG pic...

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The Italian ice dancers are travelling today (they were at their final home practice yesterday), according to Carolina Moscheni's Instagram Stories. For anyone who can't view the story, it's a picture of Guignard/Fabbri, Moscheni/Fioretti, Barbara Fusar Poli and another coach I don't recognise, masked up at the airport.
 
MsZem said:
No, people should follow appropriate precautions, not to mention the protocols in place for the event. But the data does suggest that any previously infected skaters are not that likely to have it/spread it. Though of course, "not likely" is not the same as "not at all able".
www.nature.com

COVID reinfections are unusual — but could still help the virus to spread

Large study of UK health-care workers suggests that most people are immune for months after catching COVID-19 for the first time.
www.nature.com www.nature.com


You can get a variant that's in Sweden on a flight from Russia? Because people were taking issue with how the skaters were behaving en route - which I'm not going to defend, it was irresponsible and a bad example to others. But some of the reactions were just excessive.

The vaccination status of participants came up earlier - I think I read somewhere that the Italians were/are being vaccinated due to being police officers? The only one I know for sure has been vaccinated is Dr. Valtter Virtanen. The Israelis are eligible but they all train abroad and wouldn't have had the chance.
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As I said before, some will be feeling all smug and superior posting I told you sos ad nauseum week after next or will be terribly disappointed and have nothing to be :drama: about until the WTT. I'd rather be :cheer: or :wuzrobbed my favorite won or not. Otherwise, it's up to the skaters, coaches, and officials to figure out how to do this same as the NCAA is running two major basketball tournaments this week. Which is better than the thousands of US teens and 20somethings causing mayhem in Miami Beach.
 
I received my second Moderna jab at a Walmart in Homosassa, Florida, a very "Trumpian" area. 90% of the shoppers were not wearing masks, despite the store requirement to do so. I am annoyed and outraged at arrogant ignorance, whether it's displayed by Americans, Russians or martians.
 
rfisher said:
As I said before, some will be feeling all smug and superior posting I told you sos ad nauseum week after next or will be terribly disappointed and have nothing to be :drama: about until the WTT.
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Do you truly think anyone would be disappointed to have all the skaters healthy? Honestly? I can't imagine having such a feeling. I hope no one here would.
 
It’s possible to be concerned for the safety of skaters, coaches and officials and still want Worlds to happen safely.

I would think most of us on FSU are feeling exactly that way.

I saw on Instagram that Piper Gillis and Paul Poirier left yesterday for Worlds.

They flew Toronto - Frankfurt and the plane was super empty. Nice benefit for them!
 
Wyliefan said:
Do you truly think anyone would be disappointed to have all the skaters healthy? Honestly? I can't imagine having such a feeling. I hope no one here would.
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Yes, I do think a few posters are going to be disappointed if Worlds comes off without major problems. Not that they will be disappointed about the skaters specifically, but about the event. There are some who really seem to not want it to happen. I have my guesses as to why.
 
Well, I would hope that most if not all of us could put aside all rivalries and just root for everyone to be healthy and safe. I may be naive, but I'd like to give the benefit of the doubt and believe that when people say they're just anxious because they want the skaters and coaches to be well, they really mean that they're just anxious because they want the skaters and coaches to be well.

If you get mad at a kid for playing in the street, it's probably not because you secretly want him to suffer, but rather because you DON'T want him to. (I once had to snatch my godson out of the street, so I know whereof I speak!)
 
Japanfan said:
I don't think people should tolerant of others who don't take precautions, as those individuals could cause outbreaks that could cross borders.
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I think people are missing the point. If you live somewhere that masks are required and hardly anything is open, and you see a picture of people in another place running around doing things that would be dangerous to you, such as eating at a restaurant, no masks anywhere, there is often an instinctive reaction of "omg, it's not safe!" But the people are following the rules in place where they are. A place that doesn't necessarily have the same condition as where you are.

The Russian skaters are boarding a plane in Russia where masks aren't required with people they have been in a bubble with for days. First of all, if one of them came into the bubble with CV, they are all going to have to quarantine regardless of what happened on the plane.

Secondly, they are following the rules where they are. Are these the best rules? I don't know enough about the Russian CV stats and rules to judge.

Third, is it a bad look? Oh definitely. But "not taking precautions"? I disagree. The situation was set up so that they didn't have to go to an airport and travel with people outside their bubble. It's a private plane so presumably, they didn't mingle in the airport with people from all over, go through security with people from all over, and they definitely won't sit on a plane with people from all over. The only people on the plane who aren't in their bubble are wearing masks.

I probably wouldn't have set up the Russia bubble exactly this way, but I am going to assume they consulted with experts when they came up with these rules. I do think it's great that they thought about the situation and came up with a plan to make a bubble and to get to the event (the riskiest part of this whole thing) as safely as they could.

To say they aren't taking the situation seriously or aren't taking precautions when other skaters from other countries went to the regular airport going through security, waiting at the gate, and getting on a plane with people they don't know just seems to be ragging on the Russian team just to rag on people.

Wyliefan said:
If you get mad at a kid for playing in the street, it's probably not because you secretly want him to suffer, but rather because you DON'T want him to. (I once had to snatch my godson out of the street, so I know whereof I speak!)
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OTOH, if you constantly carp on what a horrible mother the kid has and how they are doing every parenting thing wrong, it's easy to think that if something happened to that kid, you might be secretly a bit pleased that your judgment of the situation turned out to be true.
 
MacMadame said:
OTOH, if you constantly carp on what a horrible mother the kid has and how they are doing every parenting thing wrong, it's easy to think that if something happened to that kid, you might be secretly a bit pleased that your judgment of the situation turned out to be true.
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Good Lord, no. If it's a case of a kid who, say, won't study, then one might feel that justice has been served when he flunks a test. But not when it's a matter of life and death, or even just injury. I can't imagine feeling pleased about anything related to that, secretly or otherwise. There's a huge difference between "I wish they'd listened to me" and "Haha, that'll show 'em!"
 
MacMadame said:
OTOH, if you constantly carp on what a horrible mother the kid has and how they are doing every parenting thing wrong, it's easy to think that if something happened to that kid, you might be secretly a bit pleased that your judgment of the situation turned out to be true.
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Ah, but people do that all the time. Everyone thinks they are the best parents of other kids. :(
 
MacMadame said:
I think people are missing the point. If you live somewhere that masks are required and hardly anything is open, and you see a picture of people in another place running around doing things that would be dangerous to you, such as eating at a restaurant, no masks anywhere, there is often an instinctive reaction of "omg, it's not safe!" But the people are following the rules in place where they are. A place that doesn't necessarily have the same condition as where you are.

The Russian skaters are boarding a plane in Russia where masks aren't required with people they have been in a bubble with for days. First of all, if one of them came into the bubble with CV, they are all going to have to quarantine regardless of what happened on the plane.

Secondly, they are following the rules where they are. Are these the best rules? I don't know enough about the Russian CV stats and rules to judge.

Third, is it a bad look? Oh definitely. But "not taking precautions"? I disagree. The situation was set up so that they didn't have to go to an airport and travel with people outside their bubble. It's a private plane so presumably, they didn't mingle in the airport with people from all over, go through security with people from all over, and they definitely won't sit on a plane with people from all over. The only people on the plane who aren't in their bubble are wearing masks.

I probably wouldn't have set up the Russia bubble exactly this way, but I am going to assume they consulted with experts when they came up with these rules. I do think it's great that they thought about the situation and came up with a plan to make a bubble and to get to the event (the riskiest part of this whole thing) as safely as they could.

To say they aren't taking the situation seriously or aren't taking precautions when other skaters from other countries went to the regular airport going through security, waiting at the gate, and getting on a plane with people they don't know just seems to be ragging on the Russian team just to rag on people.
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Well said @MacMadame (y)
 
MacMadame said:
The situation was set up so that they didn't have to go to an airport and travel with people outside their bubble. It's a private plane so presumably, they didn't mingle in the airport with people from all over, go through security with people from all over, and they definitely won't sit on a plane with people from all over. The only people on the plane who aren't in their bubble are wearing masks.
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The idea of it was great. The execution of it was poor. They were only in their "bubble" for four days when we know the incubation of YKW is longer and on top of it interacting with masked people unmasked from outside their "bubble" is very problematic. Both parties need to be wearing masks properly for them to be effective.
 
I wonder if they're going to change how the draws are done. Not sure what they could do to make it different, but I'm also not sure it's a great idea to have the entire field reaching into the same bag while hanging out in the same room
 
From the DRAWS section of the Announcement (Feb. 5):
The draw for the Short Program/Rhythm Dance will be held individually per discipline at the Draw and Press
Conference room at Ericsson Globe in the presence of only the Referee, Technical Controller and 2 designated
Team Leaders who will act as observers.
As per ISU Communication No. 2362, for the Free Skating/Free Dance the starting order will be the reverse
order of the result after the previous segment.
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allezfred said:
The idea of it was great. The execution of it was poor. They were only in their "bubble" for four days when we know the incubation of YKW is longer and on top of it interacting with masked people unmasked from outside their "bubble" is very problematic. Both parties need to be wearing masks properly for them to be effective.
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But the skaters didn't set up the bubble. The skaters are following the rules they were given. Then people are bitching about how they don't care about the rules because the rules they were given were not the rules that the people bitching would have given. I don't see any skaters breaking the rules in that photo so I don't see it as proof that "the Russians will do whatever they want" or that "the Russians don't follow the rules."
 
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