Decisions of the ISU Council: Stockholm Worlds (March 22-28) still on; Synchro Worlds cancelled; 2021 Grand Prix schedule/Beijing test event announced

I mean I highly doubt that every other skater from every other country didn't take their masks off at some point during their flights or in their hotel rooms. :shuffle: Maybe even the :saint: Canadians and Americans.

Exactly, no other country is posting so much on social media as Russia.
They've opened themselves up to scrutiny
 
Yeah, and there is already evidence of other countries taking photos without their masks, eating in airports, etc but we will never hear about those stories because it’s all about Russia hate and anyone who points out the selective viewing is just so mean.
Oh give me a break. Allezfred and I, at least, are clearly pointing out the disconnect between how they travel and the precautions they take around each other versus being upset they didn't get private rooms on day 5 because someone might test positive and affect their teammates. Jesus Christ it's like banging your head against the wall in here. :rolleyes:
 
Oh give me a break. Allezfred and I, at least, are clearly pointing out the disconnect between how they travel and the precautions they take around each other versus being upset they didn't get private rooms on day 5 because someone might test positive and affect their teammates. Jesus Christ it's like banging your head against the wall in here. :rolleyes:
I’m not talking about you. There are plenty of people on this board and on Twitter projecting their own crazy standards of how to behave into everyone else’s lives, even when rules and regulations greatly differ from place to place. I’m also talking about the constant need for people to state things as fact, such as this continued rambling that ‘many’ skaters are so worried and forced to go to Worlds when it’s actually the posters hoping that’s how they feel. Need I also bring up yet again how some posters, even with all of their ‘OMG CV’ posts constantly, have made it clear that the Russians are actually their problem and not the event itself going forward?

If you’re to the point of banging your head against the wall, don’t pretend you haven’t seen that side of things.
 
Not to mention the widespread availability of a vaccine in Russia, mentioned many times on this board and elsewhere.
Although Russia announced roll-out of its vaccine very early, it was more talk than action. The fact is that only 5.61 vaccinations have been administered per 100 people in the country. The largest countries in the EU--despite suffering from a severe shortage of vaccine--are in the 11 to 13 shots per 100 range.

We can hope that all members of the Russian contingent traveling to Worlds have been vaccinated, but I've read nothing that supports that hope. As for having antibodies due to previous infection, I don't think we know how long that sort of protection lasts. Some of the Russian skaters got sick relatively early, didn't they?

I am sure the older coaches and officials from all countries tried to get vaccinated before departure, but that would not have been an option for most of the competitors.
 
Not to mention the widespread availability of a vaccine in Russia, mentioned many times on this board and elsewhere.
Wrong thread but where is the data for this? I have seen it mentioned on this board a few times but it doesn't square with the data I have seen. I am interested for reasons that have nothing to do with figure skating.
 
I’m not talking about you. There are plenty of people on this board and on Twitter projecting their own crazy standards of how to behave into everyone else’s lives, even when rules and regulations greatly differ from place to place. I’m also talking about the constant need for people to state things as fact, such as this continued rambling that ‘many’ skaters are so worried and forced to go to Worlds when it’s actually the posters hoping that’s how they feel. Need I also bring up yet again how some posters, even with all of their ‘OMG CV’ posts constantly, have made it clear that the Russians are actually their problem and not the event itself going forward?

If you’re to the point of banging your head against the wall, don’t pretend you haven’t seen that side of things.
I was going to ignore this but thought I'd give it a quick reply. It's hard for me to see the post Cherub made and you replied to having to do with anything BUT the current conversation. And for me, nothing to do with your endless battle with misskarne or twitter BS.

So I am not pretending anything. I am commenting on a specific post that imo was and still is a contradiction.
 
Wrong thread but where is the data for this? I have seen it mentioned on this board a few times but it doesn't square with the data I have seen. I am interested for reasons that have nothing to do with figure skating.

Tatjana Flade posted that she got the Sputnik vaccine in a shopping centre in Moscow I think it was, and she has had both shots already.
The vaccine is freely available, but the people do not trust the vaccine, that is part of the reason for the poor uptake.
It is ironic that they don't trust it, as it has been shown to be a good vaccine with a high level of protection.

My elderly neighbours here in France frustrate me too, they have declined the vaccine, they say they'd prefer to wait until there is more data on the long term effects!
 
Am I naïve to hope that we can contain the C0VID protocols chat/drama in this miserable thread and keep it out of pbp this week? :shuffle:

Skating Twitter is annoying anyways, but the activism of canceling Worlds is really hidden behind the hatred of Russia.
Yes, skating twitter is largely unbearable, with the exception of a very nice moderate Christian woman who passed away earlier this year. However, I don't get the point of including skating twitter into the discussion here, as they're always going to be outraged 24/7, it's just what they do.

There are people on FSU who champion their unrealistic and extreme COVID protocols as the only standard. Yes, some may be generally anti-Russian/Eteri/whatever. But Russia continues to open themselves up to criticism and deserved outrage all season long. I mean, one of my favorite skaters hosted a 30th birthday party/superspreader event. :p Rostelecom, an international event held before any vaccines, was a joke.

I expect and assume all skaters, coaches, and officials from every country will comply with the ISU safety protocols at this event. I'll save my RAGE if/when these guidelines aren't followed.
 
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I was going to ignore this but thought I'd give it a quick reply. It's hard for me to see the post Cherub made and you replied to having to do with anything BUT the current conversation. And for me, nothing to do with your endless battle with misskarne or twitter BS.

So I am not pretending anything. I am commenting on a specific post that imo was and still is a contradiction.
First of all, @Cherub721 didn’t tag you in anything. The current conversation includes one poster still insisting that skaters are being pressured or forced to go to Worlds. The ongoing conversation consists of people commenting on the actions of Russia in the airport. The ongoing conversations over the last few weeks consist of people referring to what is being circulated on Twitter and Instagram. The ongoing conversations insist Eteri is going to refuse to wear a mask. You took it personally. You also took it upon yourself to quote me.
 
First of all, @Cherub721 didn’t tag you in anything. The current conversation includes one poster still insisting that skaters are being pressured or forced to go to Worlds. The ongoing conversation consists of people commenting on the actions of Russia in the airport. You took it personally. You also took it upon yourself to quote me.
Okay....
 
The ISU have set out very reasonable and easy to follow protocols for YKW for all Worlds participants. The moment you set foot in your departure airport and while you are in public areas the protocols should be followed. It is not a huge ask or imposition. It’s part of your job as a skater competing at Worlds.
 
I was going to ignore this but thought I'd give it a quick reply. It's hard for me to see the post Cherub made and you replied to having to do with anything BUT the current conversation. And for me, nothing to do with your endless battle with misskarne or twitter BS.

So I am not pretending anything. I am commenting on a specific post that imo was and still is a contradiction.

FWIW I wasn't referring to your posts at all or the thing about the single rooms. Just the general outrage at the photos of the Russians without masks on the plane and in the hotel when I'm sure many other skaters have done the same and just don't post as many/any pictures.
 
FWIW I wasn't referring to your posts at all or the thing about the single rooms. Just the general outrage at the photos of the Russians without masks on the plane and in the hotel when I'm sure many other skaters have done the same and just don't post as many/any pictures.
Well that would point to either other skaters actually following the protocols or being smarter about their use of social media. Whichever way you cut it the Russian skaters come out of it looking bad.
 
I’m not talking about you. There are plenty of people on this board and on Twitter projecting their own crazy standards of how to behave into everyone else’s lives, even when rules and regulations greatly differ from place to place. I’m also talking about the constant need for people to state things as fact, such as this continued rambling that ‘many’ skaters are so worried and forced to go to Worlds when it’s actually the posters hoping that’s how they feel. Need I also bring up yet again how some posters, even with all of their ‘OMG CV’ posts constantly, have made it clear that the Russians are actually their problem and not the event itself going forward?

If you’re to the point of banging your head against the wall, don’t pretend you haven’t seen that side of things.


The people on twitter saying that skaters are being forced to go are the ones that drive me the most batty! A person can be nervous about something and still want to do it. I am nervous about sending my children back to school in person, but they are still going back Monday. Heck, I was nervous about getting the vaccine, but i still wanted (And got) it!
There was a tweet by Asher Hill that I think summed it up nicely..posted 3 days ago
“I have mixed feelings about Worlds happening and they definitely skew to the negative, but the athletes are excited to compete and I support them. I hope they can stay safe as it seems they are the ones who will be responsible for their own safety. ?”
He probably knows the actual skaters better than most of Twitter and I trust him if he says they are excited and want to compete. Doesn’t sound like they are being forced to me.

As far as Russia, I think they are being reckless, but I hope they will behave accordingly once they are allowed out of quarantine. I hope no one turns up positive because it really would be a lot of athletes that would have to withdrawal. I am just so excited to see some skating!
 
The Russian Fed requested that the skaters be put in separate rooms while they isolate in Stockholm today. waiting for their tests to come back, but it seems that the skaters are having to share rooms?‍♀️.
So if one test comes back positive, that is potentially 4 skaters out of worlds if they are in pairs/dance.?
If this is true, that is not right at all. I could have sworn I read something in the ISU document that said the skaters could room solo if the fed wanted them to for this competition. I feel like this year, of all years, everyone should just be given a single!
 
As for having antibodies due to previous infection, I don't think we know how long that sort of protection lasts. Some of the Russian skaters got sick relatively early, didn't they?
The thing that would worry me is the variants. Because there are cases of people getting re-infected by one of the new variants.

I'm also annoyed that I can't find Worlds on Peacock so I can tag everything to my watchlist. :D
 
Any one want odds on how many times the subject will come up during PBP? I'm practicing my fast scrolling.
I know some are tired of listening to the skaters getting sick. If we look at the board threads, we are still rehashing 98 Nagano, Tanya Harding, M Kwan, the tasteless costumes of 1/3 of the skaters, who should change coaches... we probably all have topics we are tired of! :drama:
 
Announced by UKR fed. today (March 20): https://tinyurl.com/daansuex

Ukrainian sports couple [pair] Sofiia Holichenko / Artem Darenskyi will not perform at the World Figure Skating Championships, which opens on March 24 in Stockholm.

Athletes from Dnipro received a positive test for coronavirus before leaving for the Swedish capital.

Thus, four representatives of Ukraine will take part in the competition - singles Ivan Shmuratko, Anastasia Arkhipova, as well as a dance duo of Alexander Nazarov / Maxim Nikitin. They have already left for Stockholm.
 
How many of the Russian skaters have already had CV? Because the odds of them getting it again and infecting others is... not high.
Short track speed skater from Hungary got it twice in the space of three months....

 
First of all, @Cherub721 didn’t tag you in anything. The current conversation includes one poster still insisting that skaters are being pressured or forced to go to Worlds. The ongoing conversation consists of people commenting on the actions of Russia in the airport. The ongoing conversations over the last few weeks consist of people referring to what is being circulated on Twitter and Instagram. The ongoing conversations insist Eteri is going to refuse to wear a mask. You took it personally. You also took it upon yourself to quote me.
Count me in as someone who is worried as hell for the skaters and coaches going to Worlds. It's not the actual event: I feel fairly confident that all precautions are being taken in the venue. I'm primarily concerned about the airports and the flights. YKW is still here and we're not yet close to a majority of the population having been vaccinated. I have nothing against Russia... many of us are simply concerned for the participants, regardless of where they reside.

Will I watch Worlds? Of course. I love skating, why wouldn't I? I'll still worry, but that's on me.

@tony , I really love so much of what you contribute to FSU, but it appears to me that, at times, you intentionally provoke people with what comes off as a condescending -- and practically sanctimonious -- attitude. You're too smart to be unaware of this. So please, don't act all "what did I do?" when others call you out on it.
 

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