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More? What is still to come?@Jeschke More on ancient men tomorrow
Top 12 Ice Dance
1) Davis/White
When I started watching dance, I didn't think their level of international success would ever happen for an American team
2) Denkova/Staviski
3) Papadakis/Cizeron
4) Anissina/Peizerat
5) Hubbell/Donohue
6) Delobel/Schoenfelder
7) Virtue/Moir the early years
8) Belbin/Agosto
9) Drobiazko/Vanagas
10) Usova/Zhulin
11) Cappellini/Lanotte
12) McNamara/Carpenter When she showed up as an 11-year-old to compete in junior dance at nationals with red knee-high boots and the sound of telephones ringing in their OD, I became a fan for life
1) Davis/White
When I started watching dance, I didn't think their level of international success would ever happen for an American team2) Denkova/Staviski
3) Papadakis/Cizeron
4) Anissina/Peizerat
5) Hubbell/Donohue
6) Delobel/Schoenfelder
7) Virtue/Moir the early years
8) Belbin/Agosto
9) Drobiazko/Vanagas
10) Usova/Zhulin
11) Cappellini/Lanotte
12) McNamara/Carpenter When she showed up as an 11-year-old to compete in junior dance at nationals with red knee-high boots and the sound of telephones ringing in their OD, I became a fan for life
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D10's bronze will make me cry.
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Doing pairs, I realized once again: Pairs is my absolute favorite discipline!
Boss' All time favorite list
Pairs Top 20
1. Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze
2. Savchenko/Szolkowy
3. Totmianina/Marinin
4. Panfilova/Rylov (yes, they are already that high for me! I am ubering so hard
5. Mukhortova/Trankov
6. Stolbova/Klimov
7. Martiusheva/Rogonov
8. Zabiiako/Enbert
9. Obertas/Slavnov
10. Iliushechkina/Maisuradze
11. Petrova/Tikhonov
12. Sui/Han
13. Moore-Towers/Moscovitch
14. Pang/Tong
15. Kavaguti/Smirnov
16. Fedorova/Miroshkin
17. Mishina/Mirzoev
18. Vigalova/Zakroev
19. Efimova/Korovin
20. Zhang/Zhang
I went Top 20 to give some foreigners a chance, but as you see, I am literelly addicted to RUS pairs(especially to hopeless junior pairs
)
I guess Gordeeva/Grinkov would have been totally my thing and high on my list but this was way before I was following closely.
Famous boss fav's not even making Top 20: Mari, DivaVera, Bidar
Confirmed: Bossman’s got taste!
Shouldn’t we have our do-hard-lists over the years too? Mine started in the early 90ies with Grinkov, Ponomarenko and Dmitriev sr
Okay, this is going to be fun. Maybe we should all get quarantined in our houses more often
Ok pairs top 12, again not in order except the first one
1. Savchenko/Massot/Szolkowy
Berton/Hotarek
Boikova/Kozlovski
Cain/LeDuc
Dube/Davison
Marchei/Hotarek
Moore-Towers/Moscovitch
Mukhortova/Trankov
Sale/Pelletier
Seguin/Bilodeau
Stolbova/Klimov pre her haircut
Sui/Han
Honorable mentions also to Duskova/Bidar, McLaughlin/Brubaker, Kayne/O'Shea....
And like @Jeschke , I could really dedicate a whole list to RUS junior pairs who either made it or didn't (mostly didn't)... or will or won't (of the current ones).
BTW does anyone else confess to scrolling through the ISU bios page to make the lists.
Approved!
Pairs:
Moskvina
Stolbova/Klimov
Boikova/Kozlovskii (yes, that soon and that high
Sui/Han
Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze
Gordeeva/Grinkov
Totmianina/Marinin
Mishkutenok/Dmitriev
Zhen/Zhao
Bazarova/Deputat (surprise-surprise, even for me)
Moore-Towers/Moscovitch
Don’t know what to say about Volosozhar/Trankov and Aljiona with both partners. They are definitely among the greatest ones, I did truly enjoy some of their programs, appreciate their paths in sport, am very glad with how the things end up in the end (poor Robin though), but can’t say I am/was a big fan of any of them..
Ladies (non-order):
Kostner
Tuktamysheva
Asada
Sotnikova
Arakawa
Kwan
Konstantinova
Kostornaia
Medvedeva (mostly due to her off ice personality and this year Rostelecom, but I can’t help)
Higuchi
Bell
Too many current skaters, am sure I’m missing someone from the past.
The best master list so far!
I tried to make a top 10 ladies list before, but gave up because it was too difficult.
The very best I can do is a top 31.
Alena Leonova
Anastasia Galustyan
Anastasia Gimazetdinova
Anna Pogorilaya
Anna Rechnio
Ashley Wagner
Carolina Kostner
Caryn Kadavy
Dasa Grm
Denise Biellmann
Elena Liashenko
Elizabeta Tuktamysheva
Fumie Suguri
Joshi Helgesson
Kaori Sakamoto
Krisztina Czako
Laetitia Hubert
Loena Hendrickx
Mao Asada
Maria Butyrskaya
Mariah Bell
Marina Kielmann
Nicole Bobek
Olga Markova
Sasha Cohen
Satoko Miyahara
So Youn Park
Surya Bonaly
Tonya Harding
Vanessa Gusmeroli
Viktoria Helgesson
Alphabetical order! Fancy!
Top 12 Pairs
1) Gordeeva/Grinkov
2) Sui/Han
3) Sale/Pelletier
4) Mishkutenok/Dmitriev
5) Meno/Sand
6) Shishkova/Naumov
7) Shen/Zhao
8) Boikova/Kozlovski
9) Wotzel/Steur
10) Iliushechkina/Maisuradze
11) Stolbova/Klimov
12) Brasseur/Eisler
13) Castile/Okolski
Honorable mention to Vanessa James whose partner's actions got them booted from the list.
I'm very much a fan of pre-COP pair skating. #sorrynotsorry
ETA: oops, had two eights listed.
Valid!
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Top 15 Pairs:
1. Stolbova/Klimov
2. Ilyushechkina/Moscovitch
3. Duhamel/Radford
4. Sui/Han
5. Savchenko/Massot (I loved her with Szolkowy too tho)
6. Peng/Jin
7. Marchei/Hotarek
8. Panfilova/Rylov
9. Efimova/Korovin
10. Astakhova/Rogonov
11. Boikova/Kozlovskii
12. Moore-Towers/Marinaro
13. Denney/Frazier
14. Kavaguti/Smirnov
15. Volosozhar/Trankov
Honorary mentions (incredible pairs who were before my time)
Gordeeva/Grinkov
Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze
Mishkutionok/Dmitriev
Moskvina/Mishin
1. Stolbova/Klimov
2. Ilyushechkina/Moscovitch
3. Duhamel/Radford
4. Sui/Han
5. Savchenko/Massot (I loved her with Szolkowy too tho)
6. Peng/Jin
7. Marchei/Hotarek
8. Panfilova/Rylov
9. Efimova/Korovin
10. Astakhova/Rogonov
11. Boikova/Kozlovskii
12. Moore-Towers/Marinaro
13. Denney/Frazier
14. Kavaguti/Smirnov
15. Volosozhar/Trankov
Honorary mentions (incredible pairs who were before my time)
Gordeeva/Grinkov
Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze
Mishkutionok/Dmitriev
Moskvina/Mishin
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They were epic! I just watched their 1994 Olympic Free Skate last week - it was epic!
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It’s the best. Just the best. Ever!!!!!!!
You’ve got good taste!
TBH, although I adore Gordeeva/Grinkov with all my heart, I wouldn’t have minded if the judges had put M/D in first. They truly gave a gold-medal performance.
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Ultimate Do-Hard List (cause we’re all bored at home and I don’t mind embarrassing myself)
- Madison Chock
- Ksenia Stolbova
- Stanislava Konstantinova
- Guillaume Cizeron
- Elena Ilinykh
- Cheng Peng
- Wenjing Sui
- Eunsoo Lim
- Marin Honda
- Ekaterina Bobrova
- Natalia Zabiiako
- Jason Brown (before and after the haircut tbh)
- Anastasia Mishina
- Alina Zagitova
- Evelyn Walsh
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That is an eclectic list
Out and proud!
I used to think I had a type (sexy short-haired pair girls
) but now I realize my type is just “gorgeous”, LOL.
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To start, I gotta mention the problem: all the 'ancient' guys (embarassing ones) I thought were pretty hot back then, I don't think they're hot anymore when I watch it now, so I'll just stick with the current ones. Hope that is fine.
But for the embarassing factor, I was totally in for Ovsyannikov, Kostomarov, Dinev for example.
Abt, I think looks still so pretty, but pretty ain't do-hard, so
Boss' Do-Hard Top 12
(of course in order!)
1. Bidar
2. Ambrulevicius
3. Belohradsky J.
4. Aliev
5. Bukin
6. Steffan
7. Bagin
8. Windsor
9. Michaud
10. Chen
11. Bazin
12. Guarise
Conclusion: My taste in guys is as tragic as my taste in skating
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My last list for now, as I am running out of ideas for others
Still homebound I am willing to join any of your ideas of course though
Boss All time fave list
Best Programs
1. Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze 'Lady Caliph', 2002 SP
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2. Miki Ando 'Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence', 2006, SP
3. Drobiazko/Vanagas 'Phantom of the Opera', 2006, FD
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4. Totmianina/Marinin, 'Ave Maria', 2005, SP
5. Denis Ten, 'Caruso', 2015, SP
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The rest in random order:
(highly recommended to rewatch or watch if you don't know/can't remember)
Virtue/Moir, 'Carmen', 2013, FD
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Rachael Flatt, 'East of Eden', 2011, SP (only that particular nationals performance)
Miki Ando, 'Memoirs of a Geisha, 2009, SP
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Savchenko/Szolkowy, 'Send in the Clowns', 2010, SP
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Savchenko/Szolkowy 'You'll never walk alone', 2010, Original FS
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Mao Asada, 'Bells of Moscow', 2010, FS
Sasha Cohen, 'The Nutctacker', 2005, FS
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Sasha Cohen, 'Malaguena', 2004, SP
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Totmianina/Marinin, 'Snowstorm', 2006, SP
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Marin Honda, 'La La Land', 2020, FS
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Han Yan, 'La La Land', 2020, FS
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Annette Dytrt, 'Danse Macabre', 2005, SP
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Miki Ando, 'Cleopatra', 2010, FS
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Miki Ando, 'My Way', 2014, SP
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Bobrova/Soloviev, 'Anna Karenina', 2016, FD
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Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, 'Sandstorm', 2015, FS
Shizuka Arakawa, 'Turandot', 2006, FS
Pang/Tong 'The Pearlfishers', 2010, SP
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Mukhortova/Trankov, 'Nobody home', 2008, SP
I can literally watch each of these programs over and over again. So so good
Still homebound I am willing to join any of your ideas of course though
Boss All time fave list
Best Programs
1. Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze 'Lady Caliph', 2002 SP
[4K60P] Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze 2002 SLC SP "Lady Caliph"
Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze / Елена Бережная, Антон Сихарулидзе / エレーナ・ベレズナヤ, アントン・シハルリドゼ2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Pair's Short Pro...
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Margarita Drobiazko-Povilas Vanagas-2006Worlds-FD
2006Worlds-Calgary-Canada-Free Dance-Phantom of the Opera 4th place
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2015 4CC - Denis Ten SP B.ESP2
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The rest in random order:
(highly recommended to rewatch or watch if you don't know/can't remember)
Virtue/Moir, 'Carmen', 2013, FD
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir at Worlds 2013 - FD
Tessa Virtue & Scott Moir Free Dance at 2013 World of figure skating championships - Music: Carmen Suite. Score: 111.17 New Season Best
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Miki Ando - 2009 World Team Trophy SP.avi
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2010 Olympics- Savchenko Szolkowy SP [HD]
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Aliona Savchenko & Robin Szolkowy TEB 2009 FS
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Sasha Cohen FP Worlds 2005
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Sasha Cohen 2004 Worlds SP HQ
Her short program to "Malaguena", earning 4 perfect 6.0's and which she won.
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01-19_totmianina_marinin_snowstorm_olys06_nbc_rpg0885.avi
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Marin Honda - 2019 Japanese Nationals FS
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Han Yan (CHN) | Men Free Skating | Shiseido Cup of China 2019 | #GPFigure
For more information visit https://isu.org/ ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating Skate America / Las Vegas, USA / Oct. 18 – 20, 2019 Skate Canada International /...
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Danse Macabre - Annette Dytrt - 2005 SP
Danse Macabre Yu-Na Kim music for 2008-2009 SP
Miki Ando 2010 Worlds FS
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安藤美姫 全日本選手権 SP Miki Ando 2013 12/22 ソチオリンピック最終選考会
安藤美姫 全日本選手権 SP Miki Ando 2013 12/22
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Ekaterina Bobrova & Dmitri Soloviev - EC 2016 - FD
Ekaterina Bobrova & Dmitri Soloviev - Danza Libre - Campeonato De Europa De Patinaje Sobre Hielo - Bratislava - 2016/01/30 - HD
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2010 Olympic Qing Pang Jian Tong SP
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I can literally watch each of these programs over and over again. So so good
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Best programs/costumes of the season among all disciplines? I think we had something similar after OlympicsMy last list for now, as I am running out of ideas for others
Still homebound I am willing to join any of your ideas of course though
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That sounds good and can be easily checked with SB list/ranking!Best programs/costumes of the season among all disciplines? I think we had something similar after Olympics
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Be assured he makes Top31!Twelve doable dudes and no Samarin?
There are things one cannot explain!What is it that you see in him then?
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There is something peculiarly trainwrecky about treasuring skaters in the Top 31.
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My do hard list is pretty short
Guarise because, well just look at him.
Szolkowy same as above. That photo op session he did with Savchenko was
Trankov
Brezina its the eyes
I would have included a certain French skater, but now, just no. Zero attraction.
Otherwise most skaters are sort of cute, but that's pat on the head, not do hard in my way of thinking. Few single skaters make the cut.
Guarise because, well just look at him.
Szolkowy same as above. That photo op session he did with Savchenko was
Trankov
Brezina its the eyes
I would have included a certain French skater, but now, just no. Zero attraction.
Otherwise most skaters are sort of cute, but that's pat on the head, not do hard in my way of thinking. Few single skaters make the cut.
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There is something peculiarly trainwrecky about treasuring skaters in the Top 31.
It's the Baskin Robbins of skaters.
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Where there's always a flavor of the month!
I will start with my 2019/20 season list:
Ice Dance
1. Hawayek/Backer, FD
2. Hurtado/Khaliavin, FD
3. The Danadians, RD
Costume: Madison Chock
Pairs
1. Tarasova/Morozov, SP
2. Peng/Jin, SP
3. Tarasova/Morozov, LP (first version of the program)
Who would have thought just a year ago?
Costume: can’t name one right now
Ladies
1. Stanislava Konstantinova, SP/ Satoko Miyahara, LP
2. Mariah Bell, LP
3. Evgenia Medvedeva, LP
Honorable mention: Ksenia Sinitsyna, SP + LP (best set of programs this year), but since she stayed in juniors decided not to include her into the list. Also, Emmi Peltonen’s LP.
Men:
So
this year
Ice Dance
1. Hawayek/Backer, FD
2. Hurtado/Khaliavin, FD
3. The Danadians, RD
Costume: Madison Chock
Pairs
1. Tarasova/Morozov, SP
2. Peng/Jin, SP
3. Tarasova/Morozov, LP (first version of the program)
Who would have thought just a year ago?
Costume: can’t name one right now
Ladies
1. Stanislava Konstantinova, SP/ Satoko Miyahara, LP
2. Mariah Bell, LP
3. Evgenia Medvedeva, LP
Honorable mention: Ksenia Sinitsyna, SP + LP (best set of programs this year
), but since she stayed in juniors decided not to include her into the list. Also, Emmi Peltonen’s LP.Men:
So
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I tried to make my Top Ten lists. I didn´t found ten in each category, sorry.
Ladies:
Carolina Kostner
Katia Gordeeva
Irina Slutskaya
Tanja Szewczenko
Tara Lipinski
Mao Asada
Adelina Sotnikova
Shizuka Arakawa
Mariah Bell
Stanislava Konstantinova
Ladies was the hardest, as I´m not too much interested or invested in them
Men:
Stephane Lambiel
Jason Brown
Ilia Kulik
Javier Fernandes
Takahiko Kozuka
Tomas Verner
Deniss Vasilievs
Todd Eldredge
Takeshi Honda
Kristoffer Berntsson
Pairs:
Gordeeva/Grinkov
Shen/Zhao
Sui/Han
Boikova/Kozlovski
Bazarova/Larionov/Deputat
Kazakova/Dmitriev
Robin Szolkowy
Vanessa James
Ice Dance:
Papadakis/Cizeron
Drobiazko/Vanagas
Denkova/Staviskij
Gritshuk/Platov
Winkler/Lohse
Capellini/Lanotte
Davis/White
Hoffmann/Elek
Bourne/Kraatz
I think Ice dance may be my favourite, I don´t have many couples I really dislike, i95% are nice to watch
Do hard:
Stephane Lambiel
Guillaume Cizeron
Ladies:
Carolina Kostner
Katia Gordeeva
Irina Slutskaya
Tanja Szewczenko
Tara Lipinski
Mao Asada
Adelina Sotnikova
Shizuka Arakawa
Mariah Bell
Stanislava Konstantinova
Ladies was the hardest, as I´m not too much interested or invested in them
Men:
Stephane Lambiel
Jason Brown
Ilia Kulik
Javier Fernandes
Takahiko Kozuka
Tomas Verner
Deniss Vasilievs
Todd Eldredge
Takeshi Honda
Kristoffer Berntsson
Pairs:
Gordeeva/Grinkov
Shen/Zhao
Sui/Han
Boikova/Kozlovski
Bazarova/Larionov/Deputat
Kazakova/Dmitriev
Robin Szolkowy
Vanessa James
Ice Dance:
Papadakis/Cizeron
Drobiazko/Vanagas
Denkova/Staviskij
Gritshuk/Platov
Winkler/Lohse
Capellini/Lanotte
Davis/White
Hoffmann/Elek
Bourne/Kraatz
I think Ice dance may be my favourite, I don´t have many couples I really dislike, i95% are nice to watch
Do hard:
Stephane Lambiel
Guillaume Cizeron
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Boss' Seasons Best List Programs
(I linked those who might not be familiar/in mind of everyone)
Men
1. Han Yan, FS, 'La La Land'
2. Leonid Sviridenko, FS, 'In the forest of Siberia'
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3. Roman Sadovsky, FS, 'Schindler's List'
(I know it's recycled, but as men were so meh this season, and this program is so so good)
Agree with @Ka3sha ; men so this season, can't find anymore serious ones I really really liked.
Ladies
1. Marin Honda, FS, 'La La Land'
2. Stanislava Konstantinova, SP 'February'
2. Ksenia Sinitsyna, SP, 'Alfonsina y el mar'
2. Karen Chen, FS, 'Slow dancing in the big city'
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5. Satoko Miyahara, FS, 'Schindler's List'
It's literally a triple tie in 2nd; I can't decide. As @Ka3sha mentioned, Sinitsyna wins best set of programs by a mile.
Pairs
1. Vislobokova/Briukhanov, SP, 'Tritsch Tratsch Polka'
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2. Denney/Frazier, FS, 'Lion King returns'
3. Pavliuchenko/Khodykin, SP, 'The Storm'
4. Tarasova/Morozov, FS, 'Te amo' (Original version)
5. Tarasova/Morozov, SP, 'Bolero'
Shoutout to Tarasova/Morozov, Pavliuchenko/Khodykin and Moore-Towers/Marinaro for having an awesome set of programs
Ice Dance
1. Hawayek/Baker, FD, 'Beethoven-Flamenco'
2. Khudaiberdieva/Filatov, RD, 'La La Land'
3. Chock/Baters, FD, 'Egytptian Snake Dance'
4. Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen, RD, 'Bonnie & Clyde'
5. Stepanova/Bukin, RD, 'Moulin Rouge'
I still wished S/B would have had a FD to this
Overall winner:
1. Vislobokova/Briukhanov (I forgot to list this in my all time fav's. I am ubering that program so so much )
2. Marin Honda
3. Han Yan
(I linked those who might not be familiar/in mind of everyone)
Men
1. Han Yan, FS, 'La La Land'
2. Leonid Sviridenko, FS, 'In the forest of Siberia'
Men. Free skating. 2020 Russian Figure Skating Championships/Мужчины. Произвольная программа
Смотрите трансляцию на русском языке здесь: https://www.1tv.ru/sport/chempionat-rossii-po-figurnomu-kataniyu-2020/pryamoy-efir Channel One gives fans all ove...
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(I know it's recycled, but as men were so meh this season, and this program is so so good)
Agree with @Ka3sha ; men so
this season, can't find anymore serious ones I really really liked.Ladies
1. Marin Honda, FS, 'La La Land'
2. Stanislava Konstantinova, SP 'February'
2. Ksenia Sinitsyna, SP, 'Alfonsina y el mar'
2. Karen Chen, FS, 'Slow dancing in the big city'
Karen CHEN. NHK Trophy 2019, FS
It's literally a triple tie in 2nd; I can't decide. As @Ka3sha mentioned, Sinitsyna wins best set of programs by a mile.
Pairs
1. Vislobokova/Briukhanov, SP, 'Tritsch Tratsch Polka'
LIVE 🔴 | Pairs Short Program | Chelyabinsk 2019
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3. Pavliuchenko/Khodykin, SP, 'The Storm'
4. Tarasova/Morozov, FS, 'Te amo' (Original version)
5. Tarasova/Morozov, SP, 'Bolero'
Shoutout to Tarasova/Morozov, Pavliuchenko/Khodykin and Moore-Towers/Marinaro for having an awesome set of programs
Ice Dance
1. Hawayek/Baker, FD, 'Beethoven-Flamenco'
2. Khudaiberdieva/Filatov, RD, 'La La Land'
3. Chock/Baters, FD, 'Egytptian Snake Dance'
4. Fournier Beaudry/Sorensen, RD, 'Bonnie & Clyde'
5. Stepanova/Bukin, RD, 'Moulin Rouge'
I still wished S/B would have had a FD to this
Overall winner:
1. Vislobokova/Briukhanov (I forgot to list this in my all time fav's. I am ubering that program so so much
)2. Marin Honda
3. Han Yan
Note to competitors, 'La La Land' is the way to @Jeschke's heart.
Yeah, she really did. I'm holding out hope that if we have a GP season this fall, she will be on it. #hopedieslast
