Are Virtue & Moir now the ice dancing GOATs?

Are Virtue & Moir now the best dance team ever

  • yes

    Votes: 148 53.6%

  • no

    Votes: 98 35.5%

  • hard to say, maybe

    Votes: 30 10.9%
  • Total voters
    276
B/K would have been multiple World champions under IJS and probably Olympic Champs too - them and A/P battling it. They were a very IJS team IMO.
I don't how old they would have been in 2006...
 
Anyasnake said:
B/K would have been multiple World champions under IJS and probably Olympic Champs too - them and A/P battling it. They were a very IJS team IMO.
I don't how old they would have been in 2006...
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Shae was born in 1976 so she would have been almost 30

VIETgrlTerifa said:
No shade, just finding all the B/K love funny considering what forum we're on. ;)
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Trust me... @dramagrrl and I got A LOT of flack back in the day. The haterz just never understood the incredibleness that was Bourne & Kraatz. They needed some Perk Kool-Aid...
 
chantilly said:
I only think V and M can be accused of over performing in the SD this year.
And maybe Scott a little bit in the FD.
When they first emerged no way.
And it’s all subjective.
Sometimes I find Gabby overdoes it in the face.
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And I love the face work. Anna and Piper also both do this very well and I enjoy it. :)
 
Twilight1 said:
@Fizz I saw Riverdance live at Canadian Nationals and CSOI.

It was so cool to see.
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I saw it at CSOI and the Sears Open Pro/Am competition (remember those??)! :cheer:

I remember at the Toronto CSOI show, the same thing that has been happening with Tessa and Scott happened to B&K - when they came out on ice in their Riverdance costumes, the crowd gave them a standing ovation before they even started. :D
 
dramagrrl said:
I saw it at CSOI and the Sears Open Pro/Am competition (remember those??)! :cheer:

I remember at the Toronto CSOI show, the same thing that has been happening with Tessa and Scott happened to B&K - when they came out on ice in their Riverdance costumes, the crowd gave them a standing ovation before they even started. :D
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Yep!!! Saw it at CSOI in '98. I can't remember when I saw them for Sears Open... think it was 2001. They guest starred in it.
 
Icetigger said:
Actually, yes, speaking objectively, because they have the same field of entry. In terms of fact, the gpf final is the same level (i.e. global competition) as the Os and Ws. The idea that the Os are more important is an entirely subjective one, which is why the claim that V/M are the G.O.A.T (which is based entirely on competitive Olympic achievement) is also an entirely subjective one, that doesn't withstand any form of intelligent analysis.
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I beg to differ. I think that the claim that V/M are the G.O.A.T can be backed by an intelligent analysis.

One may disagree with that analysis, but that does not mean it is stupid.
 
Fizz said:
I’m not even Canadian, I just really really loved Riverdance :D
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You don't need to be Canadian as a reason for loving Riverdance.

It was a fun, upbeat program to a rousing, evocative piece of music. B/K skated it in the true spirit of the Celtic folk dance (just guessing as to what kind of dance it actually is here) and sold the heck out of it - while idea in a bit of hydroblading (BK's signature move) just for good measure. Maybe it wasn't a particularly technically complicated dance, but under IJS it should receive perfect marks for choreography, interpretation and performance IMO.

It's one program I'll never forget, and one I'll revisit from time to time.
 
Fizz said:
It’s funny, because if you watch various commentators talking about Valse Triste and Umbrellas, it could be commentary from any P/C FD- ‘bringing true dance back’, ‘floating over the ice’ ‘lyrical, ethereal, moving as one’ etc. And while Umbrellas will forever be my favourite program of theirs, I think they’d be getting heavily criticised in a thread like this if they were still performing in a similar way a decade on. I appreciate that they took such a different approach to Moulin Rouge and the Latin SD, though I get why others wouldn’t. But matters of personal taste in performance aside, the quality of their skating can’t be denied.
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V/M certainly did the right thing in exploring other styles. I just didn't particularly care for the ones they chose.

Pink Floyd was much more appealing to me in that respect. MR was like the overwrought programs of another era, though obviously a well-skated one.
 
Zemgirl said:
V/M certainly did the right thing in exploring other styles. I just didn't particularly care for the ones they chose.

Pink Floyd was much more appealing to me in that respect. MR was like the overwrought programs of another era, though obviously a well-skated one.
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I wish they’d been able to skate Pink Floyd full out. I thought the Worlds version of it was amazing considering the real lack of training.
 
Zemgirl said:
MR was like the overwrought programs of another era, though obviously a well-skated one.
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Having been an ice dance fan through several different styles and sets of rules, I disagree. To me, MR was a much more modern style of “dramatic” FD. One could definitely not say it was anything like the typically overwrought dramatic programs of the past such as Annisina/Peizerat’s Carmina Burana or many of their other FDs, or G/P’s dances that were apparently so intense that “Pasha” often collapsed and dissolved in tears at the ends of them. Even more recent North American teams like Belbin & Agosto had several FDs that I would consider much more OTT.
 
Twilight1 said:
Yep!!! Saw it at CSOI in '98. I can't remember when I saw them for Sears Open... think it was 2001. They guest starred in it.
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I never saw them live but I have Riverdance by BK and Tracy Wilson/Rob Mccall Ragtime dance bookmarked and anyday which is gloomy or if it is not going right I watch them and feel better.
 
dramagrrl said:
Having been an ice dance fan through several different styles and sets of rules, I disagree. To me, MR was a much more modern style of “dramatic” FD. One could definitely not say it was anything like the typically overwrought dramatic programs of the past such as Annisina/Peizerat’s Carmina Burana or many of their other FDs, or G/P’s dances that were apparently so intense that “Pasha” often collapsed and dissolved in tears at the ends of them. Even more recent North American teams like Belbin & Agosto had several FDs that I would consider much more OTT.
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My fav B/A program was their 4 Seasons FD from 2000 Junior Worlds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isE0JoUx5qo It wasn't OTT and it does have some hydroblading in it, lol! I also liked their OD from 2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fj0UzrbSsQ That was a great year for ODs ("Memories of a Grand Ball").
 
sap5 said:
My fav B/A program was their 4 Seasons FD from 2000 Junior Worlds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isE0JoUx5qo It wasn't OTT and it does have some hydroblading in it, lol! I also liked their OD from 2003: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fj0UzrbSsQ That was a great year for ODs ("Memories of a Grand Ball").
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Those were my two favourites of theirs, too, along with their 2000-01 foxtrot/quickstep OD.

People who have been on FSU for awhile will remember I was a huge fan of Tanith and Ben in their early days; I just wasn’t a big fan of their Linichuk-era programs once they switched coaches.

I also think they would have been great pro skaters back when there were still pro competitions and many more touring opportunities, because I have enjoyed many of their exhib programs from both their competitive and post-competitive days (Un Vie d’Amour, Bleeding Love, Falling Slowly, If It Kills Me, etc.).
 
I will just leave this here:
  • The most decorated figure skaters in Olympic history[6]
  • The fourth most decorated Canadian Olympians ever[84]
  • The first and only team to take ice dance gold in their Olympic debut[85]
  • The first and only team to take ice dance gold at the Olympics before they won Worlds[85]
  • The youngest team to ever take ice dance gold at the Olympics[85]
  • The first and only ice dance team to ever win Olympic gold on home ice[85]
  • The first ice dance team from North America to take ice dance Olympic gold, breaking Europe's 34-year streak[24]
  • The first former junior world champions to win Olympic gold in ice dance
  • The first figure skaters in 38 years to win three Olympic golds
  • The second ice dance team to win three Olympic medals in ice dance
  • The second ice dance team to win two individual Olympic gold medals and the first one to do it in nonconsecutive Olympics
  • The first duo to carry the Canadian flag at an Olympic opening ceremony[86]
Record Scores:
In general:
List of world record scores set by Virtue/Moir[edit]
Combined total records[89] Date Score Event 30 April 2011181.792011 World Championships7 December 2013190.002013–14 Grand Prix Final27 November 2016195.842016 NHK Trophy10 December 2016197.222016–17 Grand Prix Final1 April 2017198.622017 World Championships28 October 2017199.862017 Skate Canada International20 February 2018206.072018 Winter OlympicsShort dance records[90] Date Score Event 17 February 201169.402011 Four Continents Championships29 April 201174.292011 World Championships6 December 201377.592013–14 Grand Prix Final26 November 201679.472016 NHK Trophy9 December 201680.502016–17 Grand Prix Final31 March 201782.432017 World Championships27 October 201782.682017 Skate Canada International19 February 201883.672018 Winter OlympicsFree dance records[91] Date Score Event 30 April 2011107.502011 World Championships11 December 2011112.332011–12 Grand Prix Final17 February 2014114.662014 Winter OlympicsHistoric records[4] 25 March 201070.272010 World Championships (original dance)

- The global and audience impact of Moulin Rouge that only Bolero Rivals
- The junior ice dancers who look up to them more than any other team (H/B, I/K, C/P)
- Their unmatched versatility, Chemistry, and Athleticism
- bonus: Being Yuna Kims fav ice dancers and having Yuzu fanboy over Tessa (pics and quotes if you don't believe me)
- Being known in your own country as icons
- Being known in general in your own country
- Being the highlight alongside yuzuru hanyu of the Pyeongchang games.

But you know according to some people in this thread having the most seasons best scores and GPF golds are the only criterias for the GOAT title, Dang, sorry V/M I guess that would make D/W and P/C the GOAT which is totally accurate. *eye roll*
 
Pretty much all the above just centres around the fact they are Canadian (agreed) and they are they are the most successful Olympic ice dance medallists (agreed). A lot of the other "achievements" are irrelevant to any intelligent discussion of G.O.A.T.- "The longest-standing ice dance team in Canadian history" for example.

Anyway, well done for copying all of that from wikipedia.

Declaring G.O.A.T is a comparative statement: you can't just present facts regarding V/M: you have to present facts across the board regarding other skaters and also give timeframes and competitive contexts. Otherwise, it's just myopic fanaticism.

Maybe you should look at some other sources beyond the one team you are fanatical about's wikipedia page.

Also, don't misrepresent what other people have said: it makes you look bad.
 
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