What competition should FSU re-judge? Any interest?

alchemy void

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I guess the first question should be: is there any interest in re-judging a competition? :COP:

We've done this a few times before, I think most recently @kwanatic facilitated re-judging ladies 2014 Olympics. (I may or may not have been the bitch who scored Kostner at 6.00 for transitions in the LP). :shuffle:

Essentially, we watch a competition on youtube, and then submit our scores, using the scoring system and guidelines of the time. It's particularly fun with controversial judging decisions, like the Sochi ladies. Or cluster**** competitions, like 1998 Worlds.

I'm open to any 6.0 or IJS competition and would be happy to facilitate. I'd probably utilize the blank scoring sheets on SkatingScores for IJS competitions, unless I get ambitious and try to code something myself (spoiler alert: I won't).

Any interest? I'd like at least 7 judges. We have plenty of time until any skating starts again, so deadlines to submit scores would be pretty chill.

If you're interested, let me know. Also drop your suggestions for competitions to score here. Keep in mind the competition needs to be able to watch, and I'd prefer to be able to do both segments of the competition, and be able to score at least the top 10.
 
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Tony Wheeler

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2013 Worlds men
2009 Worlds men
2005 Worlds ladies especially with that SP
2005 Worlds pairs might come up with some unique results
2001 Goodwill Games men could be interesting, all of the videos are now available on YT besides one but I have it on my computer

I think a lot of us have shared thoughts about many of the 98-2002 or so competitions so I’m not sure how many of them could be redone without essentially knowing what the result would be. 2000 Worlds ladies was discussed in depth not long ago, as an example. 1998 Worlds ladies maybe because of that SP as you mentioned.
 

alchemy void

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Good suggestions. Agreed on the 98-02 competitions and I'd prefer to judge IJS anyways.

If we go with an IJS competition, I'd even entertain the thought of a two or three person technical panel to review jumps rotations. I think that could be fun, albeit a rather big commitment. I'm afraid I'd be over it after the first five skaters. :lol:
 

Kateri

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After 22 years of skating fandom, I still wouldn't consider myself in enough teknik to judge, but I've been dying to watch another competition with FSU, so please do this! There are lots of people here who I'd love to see judge!
 

Zemgirl

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After 22 years of skating fandom, I still wouldn't consider myself in enough teknik to judge, but I've been dying to watch another competition with FSU, so please do this! There are lots of people here who I'd love to see judge!
Likewise, and we even came to skating around the same time! The PBP threads of old competitions were so much fun :)
 

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2005 Worlds would be fun to judge in the ladies. It's the first COP Worlds and Kwan had a fall and was a hot mess COP wise, but delivered an otherwise consistent package over Slutskaya, Cohen and Kostner who were more prepared COP-wise but were shaky/ sloppy all over the place.
 

Marco

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We've done this a few times before, I think most recently @kwanatic facilitated re-judging ladies 2014 Olympics.
This is fascinating. I must have missed the exercise coz otherwise I would love to take part. I think the FSU judges were much more on the money with the scores than the actual ISU judges were. I wonder if it was the momentum from the team event or the home crowd that got Lipnitskaya that extra boost in PCS. Or it could simply be because her skating just doesn't quite stand the test of time. (I feel the same about Slutskaya hence my suggestion for 2005 Worlds :p)
 

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If we go with an IJS competition, I'd even entertain the thought of a two or three person technical panel to review jumps rotations. I think that could be fun, albeit a rather big commitment. I'm afraid I'd be over it after the first five skaters. :lol:
I would enjoy this tremendously.
 

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I wonder if it was the momentum from the team event or the home crowd that got Lipnitskaya that extra boost in PCS. Or it could simply be because her skating just doesn't quite stand the test of time.
It's fascinating when you re-watch older skating without the emotions of athletes' momentum, politics, fashions, faves etc etc But then again, later occurrences - such as a skater falling out of favour - can cloud your judgement too. There's a certain frenzy that whips up around skaters when they have momentum ... and then when they lose it. Particularly in ice dance.
 

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(1) 1996 Worlds ladies event. Bonus points to judges who can manage to have Chen Lu and Michelle Kwan tie!!!!!!!!!!

(2) 1994 Olys -- men's event. Would love to see how far Kurt's "Casablanca" FS can make up for his poor SP.
 

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One thing is ... If you use IJS to judge pre-IJS events, then you have the issue that none of the elements are identified/leveled on a score sheet with base values. It's easy enough to identify jumps and list those with their current base values, but spins/step seqs/pairs elements would either have to be assigned levels, or I guess just given basic level across the board.

I would only be interested in judging pairs/ladies/men, because dance is too complicated and I don't have enough teknik. :D
 
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alchemy void

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One thing is ... If you use IJS to judge pre-IJS events, then you have the issue that none of the elements are identified/leveled on a score sheet with base values. It's easy enough to identify jumps and list those with their current base values, but spins/step seqs/pairs elements would either have to be assigned levels, or I guess just given basic level across the board.

I would only be interested in judging pairs/ladies/men, because dance is too complicated and I don't have enough teknik. :D
I wouldn't want to use IJS to judge 6.0 events, or vice versa, for the reasons you pointed out.

I think 6.0 dance could be fun to do, maybe judging live for those interested, as a let's watch event. I couldn't do IJS dance, either.
 

Tony Wheeler

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(1) 1996 Worlds ladies event. Bonus points to judges who can manage to have Chen Lu and Michelle Kwan tie!!!!!!!!!!

(2) 1994 Olys -- men's event. Would love to see how far Kurt's "Casablanca" FS can make up for his poor SP.
We've done 1996 Worlds ladies. I started a thread about how I thought skaters 3-10 were so close in many ways and we had an interesting variety of ordinals there.

1994 Olympics men would be fun-- I think we'd need to judge 15 or so skaters, though, to get a sense of where the skaters may have actually ended up. That, like 1998 Worlds ladies, would be really interesting to me. Events where it's really just to see if Skater A or Skater B ended up ahead in the grand scheme isn't really all that fascinating, but events with the potential for huge movement-- absolutely.
 

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2005 Worlds would be fun to judge in the ladies. It's the first COP Worlds and Kwan had a fall and was a hot mess COP wise, but delivered an otherwise consistent package over Slutskaya, Cohen and Kostner who were more prepared COP-wise but were shaky/ sloppy all over the place.
I'm sorry...what?
 

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Has the ice dance competition at the 1999 Worlds ever been done? It was hotly debated in terms of who should have won the gold. For me, I had Anissina & Peizerat far ahead even if their programs that year were a step back for them in terms of content. I also wonder if B&K's near fall at the end of their free dance should have cost them a medal. I haven't really watched Lobacheva & Averbukh's free dance to say from my perspective since they put me to sleep.
 

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I was leaning towards an older competition, but there may not be many with lots of videos up, and besides, I think it's harder to retroactively judge under 6.0 since it involves ranking skaters comparatively and you have to keep that in mind throughout each skate. With IJS, you can score two skaters during our version of judging, take a phone call, pick things back up, and not think too much (technically not have to think about) previous scores.
 
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gkelly

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Well, with IJS you're not supposed to be ranking the skaters at all, just scoring them.

You may or may not be aware of which skater's scores on your card will add up to a higher total. You can do the math for your personal scores if you really want to know in closer comparisons.

Unless you're also playing tech specialist at the same time, with the scale of values open in front of you, you probably won't know unless it's not close at all.


Which is why I think this game can be played more honestly with IJS.

Rewatching historical events and deciding how to rank the skaters is hard to do without mental interference from everything we know about how those skaters placed relative to each other in real life, at this event and in terms of reputation both before and after this event. Unless the majority of the competitors are skaters we know next to nothing about.
 

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