IceAlisa
discriminating and persnickety ballet aficionado
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I cannot comment whether Med said it but the allegation was translated correctly
It is? To me it's mostly a sign of what someone's pain threshold is, not a measure of their character.To me all that carrying on is a sign of weakness and being calm is a sign of strength. Just like not screaming or moaning during a painful procedure is a sign of strength.
Athletes perform through pain all the time, something that I certainly couldn’t do, something that would reduce me to tears but they grin and bear it. That makes them stronger than me.It is? To me it's mostly a sign of what someone's pain threshold is, not a measure of their character.
But we are in agreement that trashing a former student publicly reflects poorly on one's character.
I don't think it's a sign of strength. Commitment, possibly - sometimes misplaced, because performing through pain can be a really stupid thing to do. Sometimes it takes more strength to say that you can't do something.Athletes perform through pain all the time, something that I certainly couldn’t do, something that would reduce me to tears but they grin and bear it. That makes them stronger than me.
Yagudin said famously that if I wake up in the morning and nothing hurts, it means I am dead. IOW, the human body isn’t meant to to what he did and there are plenty of days when they have to struggle.I don't think it's a sign of strength. Commitment, possibly - sometimes misplaced, because performing through pain can be a really stupid thing to do. Sometimes it takes more strength to say that you can't do something.
Yagudin's career ended at the age of 22, and not by choice. He needed serious hip surgery (I think a replacement?) while still in his twenties.Yagudin said famously that if I wake up in the morning and nothing hurts, it means I am dead. IOW, the human body isn’t meant to to what he did and there are plenty of days when they have to struggle.
Ever seen ballet dancer’s feet? It looks and is painful. Yet some keep going
Yes, am sure Gorshkova and Butikov really WANTED to skate to that shit they did.Chaikovskaya: "In the Russian school of skating, the athlete's input into programs is always considered, all programs are discussed together with the athlete. Nothing is mandatory . The Russian school of figure skating produces the best programs"
There’s a new Orser interview in Russian if anyone wants to translate. If it’s not yet translated by tomorrow, I will give it a go. Thankfully, there are lots of Russian speakers here.
https://mrsport.ria.ru/interview/20180510/1136673188.html
Athletes perform through pain all the time, something that I certainly couldn’t do, something that would reduce me to tears but they grin and bear it. That makes them stronger than me.
There’s a new Orser interview in Russian if anyone wants to translate. If it’s not yet translated by tomorrow, I will give it a go. Thankfully, there are lots of Russian speakers here.
https://mrsport.ria.ru/interview/20180510/1136673188.html
To be fair, Med's comment is understandable. That is, if she did in fact make it and it has been translated correctly.
Giggle. Nothing like a good public withdrawalI guess that now that Tutberidze has lost her Meds, she is going through withdrawal.
I like Orser as a coach as a person thus I don't wish him that Evgenia to leave him like she did with Eteri . But I wonder what would happen here....
All this Eteri-bashing is so bizarre. Evgenia (and it seems like everyone on this board) knows what kind of person she is. I remember Voronov once called her a hot-tempered southern woman no point arguing with. We've all met those in life. They aren't going to keep quiet. Evgenia, having been with Eteri for so many years know exactly what's going to happen and chose to do the parting the hard way, probably because she doesn't want to get yelled at in person. I would do the same and take the tv dirty laundry. Both get what they look for - one to let off some anger, one to come out unscathed after splitting with long-term coach. People say stuff like Eteri should be better at PR as if keeping nice and quiet is the best practice of PR. It might be for Orser, not for Eteri Tutberidze. Eteri lost a top student and comes out ever more not-to-be-messed-with, which is her brand to begin with. In many less passive aggressive countries toughness is considered a wonderful quality, possibly the only important one to have.
(I think the Javi/Yuzu situation is a little different because there's always been other guys from outside the group who could potentially beat either of them on any given day. I wonder whether that might take some heat out of the direct rivalry. This wasn't really the case last season in women's skating, as pretty much everyone agreed that any gold medal was likely to be between Zag and Med.)
Yes, am sure Gorshkova and Butikov really WANTED to skate to that shit they did.
On a more serious note think it depends - Bobrova said in the interview she had no say on the programmes/costumes/make up in Kustarova's group and if she was told to put a feather in her hair and skate to a tango she did. She had more freedom in Zhulin's group. Am wondering whether there is no freedom for the juniors and then when they end up switching coaches there is some on the seniors level. Though looking at Popova/her previous partner's last programme am thinking I'd rather give juniros a bit less freedom of choice....
Athletes perform through pain all the time, something that I certainly couldn’t do, something that would reduce me to tears but they grin and bear it. That makes them stronger than me.
I think it's believable that Evgenia could say something like that lol, sounds like she was probably just having an emotional outburst and probably didn't mean it. We all have those moments, even as fully grown adults. Sometimes I facepalm at stuff I did last week. Evgenia is very young and she will grow up and change a lot, if it is true that she said it I don't really care and I won't hold it against her. I think it is in poor taste that Eteri would reveal it to the press but oh well.
I think it's believable that Evgenia could say something like that lol, sounds like she was probably just having an emotional outburst and probably didn't mean it. We all have those moments, even as fully grown adults. Sometimes I facepalm at stuff I did last week. Evgenia is very young and she will grow up and change a lot, if it is true that she said it I don't really care and I won't hold it against her. I think it is in poor taste that Eteri would reveal it to the press but oh well.
I guess this is the worst, most controversial thing Eteri could come up with. Her thought process was simple: "Lets find the most potentially damaging thing to Medvedeva's reputation - and run with it. Who cares whether it sticks, but the damage will be done." Anyone who believes this was an unplanned emotional outburst by the "hot-blooded Eteri" is being naive. It was a well-calculated move, intended to injure the enemy. Nothing would make Eteri happier than seeing Medvedeva fail.Yeah, it's completely natural. If we fans can voice our "what-ifs" and "I wishes" for x, y, z, for someone we want to win at the expense of someone else (because there can only be one winner) then it's unrealistic to think that patient 0 (the skater him/herself) doesn't at least have these ideas as well.
However, I personally do not see the connection Hersh is attempting to make between Orser/ Yuna Kim split and Eteri/ Medvedeva split. IMHO, while the Orser/Kim situation spiraled out of control, and Orser may look back and wish he could have managed some things differently, the circumstances, personalities and behavioral reactions are not that similar. To my recall, Orser was hurt and he responded in a confused and defensive way, but I don't recall him purposefully revealing private confidences shared with his former student. Kim's mother was a huge factor in the Kim/ Orser split, while in the current situation, apparently Eteri is the controlling mother figure as well as the demanding coach. I also think Kim and Med have completely different personalities. The reasons and circumstances surrounding the splits are also different.
She might have ‘more’ freedom in Zhulin’s group, but I don’t think she had that much freedom in comparison to US or Canadian skaters. If I understand correctly, it is Zhulin who chooses the music and he is not very sympathetic if the skaters don’t like his choice. Saying that, Elena Ilynikh once said in an interview that she always had a lot of input into her constums and did her own hair and make up, which makes me wonder whether it was Bobrova’s choice do as she was told in regard to her constume/make-up because she didn’t feel confident to suggest anything.Yes, am sure Gorshkova and Butikov really WANTED to skate to that shit they did.
On a more serious note think it depends - Bobrova said in the interview she had no say on the programmes/costumes/make up in Kustarova's group and if she was told to put a feather in her hair and skate to a tango she did. She had more freedom in Zhulin's group. Am wondering whether there is no freedom for the juniors and then when they end up switching coaches there is some on the seniors level. Though looking at Popova/her previous partner's last programme am thinking I'd rather give juniros a bit less freedom of choice....
I don’t believe or think that too many (if any) coach/skater splits can be compared to one another. However, I do feel the coach, under these circumstances, will nine out of ten times find themselves on the outs and not necessarily receiving a lot of support which falls typically in favor of the athlete.Orser is now a seasoned coach and although he cares deeply for all his students he has learned to keep a reserve. You cannot compare the the Yuna nonsense with today
I don’t believe or think that too many (if any) coach/skater splits can be compared to one another. However, I do feel the coach, under these circumstances, will nine out of ten times find themselves on the outs and not necessarily receiving a lot of support which falls typically in favor of the athlete.
When Yuna did leave Brian, I remember the fallout he had to deal with. I also remember reading and hearing people discuss Brian in miserable terms. Suddenly, Brian Orser became public enemy number one which was surreal, ridiculous and unfortunate, to say the least, because we all know what a great guy Brian is. However, that didn’t stop Yuna’s die-hard fans from raking him over the coals…
Frank C. definitely knows a thing or two about it, and while it’s not easy to be an athlete, it’s definitely not easy to be a coach, but then again, they’ve all signed on.