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Who's left? I hope they parted with their previous coaches on good terms or they will have a difficult time changing coaches yet again.
Natalia Mishkutenok or bust hennneyyyyy.
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Who's left? I hope they parted with their previous coaches on good terms or they will have a difficult time changing coaches yet again.
AgreedAs Barzini said in The Godfather: "(S)he can bill for her time, after all, we are not communists." Two weeks before nationals C & T flew to CA to work with her. When it comes to lifts, some pairs can handle the added difficulty, some may not do it as easily, or may get somewhat injured trying .... C & L did well last season, they "got" the second spot, they weren't going to be downplayed as yet. If the results in Montreal are disappointing, priorities may be re-ordered .... The thing here is, despite good talent and coaches, no one or two U.S. pairs has really moved dramatically to consistently take the lead over other U.S. pairs internationally. Until that happens we can parse and dissect a lot of the assignment decisions.
I agree Ashley and Tim are working on level 4 lifts that are not the exact lifts (that's a politically correct way of saying they are not as complex). They are maximizing points with what they have to work with. Good for them their coaches are smart. No one is saying that every team does the same lift. I'm saying the exact opposite with the exception of Ashley and Tim. They have limited flexibility. Gosh they won't go back to that lift dismount that she crashed on.As for the complexity of the lifts for Cain/Leduc, perhaps the scoring of levels can be compared to the levels for dance.
Chock and Bates's lifts are more intricate and look harder to me than the balance lifts of Hubbell/Donohue yet they all meet the criteria for level four. I'm thinking that Ashley and Tim have found and are working on lifts that are level four but not the exact same lifts that our other teams are doing. If every team did the exact same lifts it would be very repetitive and uninspiring.
Someone up thread mentioned Denny and Frazier and their coaching team. With all that's ongoing with the investigation, they might be looking for another coach. But I looked on their bio page and they've already gone through many coaches:Jim Peterson, Dalilah, Rockne, and Ingo for a brief time. Who's left? I hope they parted with their previous coaches on good terms or they will have a difficult time changing coaches yet again.
Pretty much all lifts gaining L4 are difficult? (Obviously, some more so than others.) C & L were working on doing all one-point of contact lifts this season.I agree Ashley and Tim are working on level 4 lifts that are not the exact lifts (that's a politically correct way of saying they are not as complex). They are maximizing points with what they have to work with. Good for them their coaches are smart. No one is saying that every team does the same lift. I'm saying the exact opposite with the exception of Ashley and Tim. They have limited flexibility. Gosh they won't go back to that lift dismount that she crashed on.
Here's an article about C/J's fp win, but strangely NBC Sports doesn't have a video of their winning 2nd place overall fp performance neither on their website nor uploaded on Youtube with other videos of second place finishers' performances.
Sounds scaryPretty much all lifts gaining L4 are difficult? (Obviously, some more so than others.) C & L were working on doing all one-point of contact lifts this season.
Are you joking back or did you not understand it was a joke?^^ OTT much?![]()
Are you joking back or did you not understand it was a joke?
Shocks I see you are an expert at pairs nerves and how they cope with pressure.
Anyone watching the practices could see the panic, concern reaction of the coaches and Tim trying to remedy the situation. Even you would recognize the panic if you opened your eyes and looked. That's not what we need at worlds. C/J should have gone. This is political period.
Hey Shocks I see you are an expert on selection committee decisions and how USFSA works. Maybe the kinerims, K/O and D/F should seek your advice on how to influence the political process in order to overcompensate the bias of having an official to close to a pairs team. What do you think? A great consulting gig to supplement your day job. LOL
The selection for worlds is a secret process. There are political factors that totally effect the decision. The culture is to frown upon coaches or skaters who question those decisions openly...
C/J should be going.
Surely this thread can now be closed for the Oracle has spoken and no-one else is worthy
I don’t like C&L at all so I am even more upset by their selection.
LOL while you "claim no special expertise" I would totally agree with that. That first phrase you type says it all....lolYou slyly rang, antmanb?Ah, but as for who the Oracle is, PS12345, seems way more worthy than me. I'm merely logic-driven, lengthy-posts driven, uber U.S. pairs passionate aftershocks.
As for me detecting some non-fans in this thread, that's pretty easy to deduce.
But, are you even a U.S. pairs fan? That's the real ongoing question in this thread, at the moment: Which opinionated commenter/ A&T naysayer is actually invested in the continued growth, viability, health and rise of the U.S. pairs discipline?![]()
C/J can have two great performances at 4CCs! IMO, your complaining and prognosticating is short-sighted. There's no 'finally' about C/J 'getting their act together,' since they already performed lights out in the fp at U.S. Nationals. Plus, they looked great at Warsaw Cup too. The task for C/J is to continue building momentum internationally by having a great showing at 4CCs and then cheering on the two teams selected for Worlds to skate their absolute best.
This is about all U.S. teams continuing to shine. There's no room for petulance or bitterness. There's only room for everyone working hard and pushing each other so that U.S. teams can gain better recognition and respect, and achieve stellar results on the world stage consistently.
There is no petulance or bitterness; why on earth would you even imply that? It would be wonderful for Gribble/Le Duc to do well at worlds. Watching their lifts at Nationals does not inspire confidence. We will see soon enough if that was the right decision.
Just disagree on this decision which seems unfair and somewhat political.
I don't post often here. Now I see why.
Shocks is here for the Shock effect and the opportunity to over react with personal attacks. While she pretends to want all the pairs skaters to do well she really can't stand anyone who disagrees with her.There is no petulance or bitterness; why on earth would you even imply that? It would be wonderful for Gribble/Le Duc to do well at worlds. Watching their lifts at Nationals does not inspire confidence. We will see soon enough if that was the right decision.
Just disagree on this decision which seems unfair and somewhat political.
I don't post often here. Now I see why.
Shocks is here for the Shock effect and the opportunity to over react with personal attacks. While she pretends to want all the pairs skaters to do well she really can't stand anyone who disagrees with her.
There you go again with the personal attacks.....lol. You confuse bullying people with Intelligent conversation. I have a request, Please tell me what you know about the journeys our pairs skaters are on.Ummm, I wonder if you can share what effect you are here for PS12345?
I don't care who disagrees with me or who agrees with me. It's more about trying to share honestly and transparently, but it's more-so about wishing to celebrate skaters and the joy they give us, and the difficult journeys they are on.
Ultimately, I come here to share my opinions and to hope for some intelligent conversation, whether or not we all agree with each other, since agreement rarely happens and it's not a requirement.God only knows why I continue to hold out hope, when I'm constantly confronted with evidence to the contrary.
There you go again with the personal attacks.....lol. You confuse bullying people with Intelligent conversation. I have a request, Please tell me what you know about the journeys our pairs skaters are on.
Hey ShocksI feel no need to engage with you PS12345 and your negative, petulant attitude. Go back and read my posts in this thread where I talk about the journeys of U.S. pairs skaters. If you are truly interested you would be communicating and not berating, just for the heck of it, which you seem to enjoy doing.
Better yet, why not be more transparent about who you are, and what your motivations and hidden agendas are even posting in this thread.
So you really don't want to have a fair debate and dialogue. You want me to read what you said. Well I have and you don't say anything about the journeys our pairs skating teams are on. Again I'm interested in what you have say about that.I feel no need to engage with you PS12345 and your negative, petulant attitude. Go back and read my posts in this thread where I talk about the journeys of U.S. pairs skaters. If you are truly interested you would be communicating and not berating, just for the heck of it, which you seem to enjoy doing.
Better yet, why not be more transparent about who you are, and what your motivations and hidden agendas are even posting in this thread.
Hey Shocks
I'm interested in your opinion as to why the selection committee decided not to send Ashley and Tim to four continents?
What are your thoughts on this subject?
South Korea is not that much worse than Southern California in terms of number of cases per capita.I interested in what people think about the risks of our skating team going to Four continents. There's lots of conversation about the Coronavirus and South Korea outside of this blog. The team is leaving soon. What do people think?
I'm was interested in YOUR opinion. No agenda. I'm not disrespectful, you seem to be to sensitive when people ask you questions and not so sensitive when people express their opinion. I just asked you a direct question.Please read the thread more carefully, and try not to be so disrespectful in the way you are addressing me. What you queried about 4CCs has previously been discussed by a number of posters in this thread and in the assignment thread in GSD. I was not in the committee meeting room, so I don't know how the conversation went about the selection decisions.
Isn't it fairly obvious though that the top podium placers at U.S. Nats are being rewarded with a trip to 4CCs, and that A&T are being sent to Worlds with the Knierims because only two spots are available. A&T and the Knierims overall have been well regarded internationally and have a lot of strengths that U.S. fed apparently hopes will positively and successfully come to the fore at Worlds for the best possible results that might help the continued growth of the U.S. pairs discipline. C/J are a developing team and 4CCs will give them a chance to continue building a reputation internationally. It might be difficult for C/J at Worlds politically as a fairly new team with no Worlds experience, and in terms of the starting orders. C/J can continue getting better and gaining confidence at 4CCs, and they will surely have another opportunity to go to Worlds.
You appear to have some agenda against Ash/Timothy for whatever reason. Why don't you tell us more about the skaters you support and why? I've already been completely honest about my passion for pairs skating, my love for U.S. pairs, and I've discussed many times who my fave U.S. pairs skaters are and why, as well as discussing their journeys. I always give a shout out to all the U.S. pairs because I support all of them.
I just shared Ash's thoughtful Instagram posts, in which she honors the journeys of her teammates. It would be nice for true fans of U.S. pairs to join in with more positive reflections.
I think you should look at the pandemic in total. While still relatively small numbers, The coronavirus infection is doubling every 6.5 days globally, based on some experts. There are 50 million people in China under lockdown. Cases per capita in Cal are a little less relevant don't you think?South Korea is not that much worse than Southern California in terms of number of cases per capita.![]()