U.S. Men 2021-22 season news & updates

[Sylvia]

Starting a new season thread with the confirmation on USFS' International Assignments page that Ilia Malinin and Lucas Broussard (debut) will represent the USA at the first Junior Grand Prix in Courchevel, France. Glad to see an extra spot for a U.S. man here!

2021 Grand Prix assignments (announced by the ISU on June 29, 2021):

Nathan Chen: Skate America [#1], Skate Canada [#2]
Vincent Zhou: Skate America [#1], NHK Trophy [#4]
Jason Brown: Skate Canada [#2], Internationaux de France [#5]
Tomoki Hiwatashi: Skate Canada [#2], NHK Trophy [#4]
Camden Pulkinen: NHK Trophy [#4], Rostelecom Cup [#6]
Maxim Naumov: Rostelecom Cup [#6]
Skate America spot TBD

 

[Sylvia]

USFS' International Selection Pool currently lists 27 men (team envelopes indicated below, where applicable):
* = ISU Junior age-eligible this season (16)

Lucas Altieri
*William Annis (Team D)
*Lucas Broussard (Team D)
Jason Brown (Team A)
Nathan Chen (Team A)
*Jonathan Hildebrandt (Team D)
Tomoki Hiwatashi (Team B)
*Liam Kapeikis
*Joseph Klein (Team C)
*Kai Kovar
Jimmy Ma (Team B)
*Ilia Malinin
*Daniel Martynov (Team C)
*Samuel Mindra (Team C)
Maxim Naumov (Team B)
*Matthew Nielsen
Yaroslav Paniot (Team B)
*Eric Prober (Team C)
Camden Pulkinen (Team B)
*Jacob Sanchez (Team D)
Eric Sjoberg
*Beck Strommer (Team D)
Dinh Tran
*Michael Xie
*Robert Yampolsky
*Maxim Zharkov
Vincent Zhou (Team B)

Not currently listed in the ISP:
Andrew Torgashev (Team C)

Team D envelope ("Placements 1st–2nd in the novice singles sectional rankings in the 2021 U.S. Figure Skating Championship Series"):
Beck Strommer [M-1] - in ISP
Jonathan Hildebrandt [E-1] - in ISP
Daniel Borisov [M-2]
Bryan Lehmann [E-2]
Tao MacRae [P-1]
Allan Fisher [P-2]

[Link to 2021-22 team envelope criteria]
Under "Additional Considerations" (this applies to Ilia Malinin, for example, who has been assigned to JGP #1):

Athletes/teams assigned to an international competition, who are not in the current season’s envelope structure, will be placed in the reserve envelope. If the athlete/team medal at a senior ISU international competition, they will be placed, immediately, in Team Envelope C – Tier 2 and receive the remaining funding for that season.

 

[olympic]

I really would like to see Yaro at SkAm

 

[haribobo]

SENIOR MEN FS/OVERALL (top 5 summer 2021 scores)
Vincent Zhou 203/303
Jimmy Ma 129/210
Maxim Naumov 118/186
Ryan Dunk 112/182
Paul Yeung 120/180

 

[Alexa]

2021/2022 season world standings,
Nathan No.2
Jason No. 4
Camden No. 22
Tomoki No. 35
Ilia Malini No. 66
Jimmy Ma No. 69
Vincent No. 89

http://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsmen.htm

 

[sk9tingfan]

2021/2022 season world standings,
Nathan No.2
Jason No. 4
Camden No. 22
Tomoki No. 35
Ilia Malini No. 66
Jimmy Ma No. 69
Vincent No. 89

http://results.isu.org/ws/ws/wsmen.htm

How is someone who hasn't been defeated in 3 years and defeated the two time Olympic Champion three times, #2? Don't tell me it's the Senior B factor.

 

[Karen-W]

How is someone who hasn't been defeated in 3 years and defeated the two time Olympic Champion three times, #2? Don't tell me it's the Senior B factor.

Nah, it's a 4CCs factor. Nathan doesn't have any ISU Championship points from the 2019-20 season because he skipped 4CCs and Worlds was cancelled.

 

[sk9tingfan]

How is someone who hasn't been defeated in 3 years and defeated the two time Olympic Champion three times, #2? Don't tell me it's the Senior B factor.

http://results.isu.org/ws/wr2020-21/wrmen.htm #1 only for the last season but weighted toward Hanyu otherwise? Sorry, I think that this is messed up.

 

[sk9tingfan]

Nah, it's a 4CCs factor. Nathan doesn't have any ISU Championship points from the 2019-20 season because he skipped 4CCs and Worlds was cancelled.

A victim of circumstance....

 

[Karen-W]

http://results.isu.org/ws/wr2020-21/wrmen.htm #1 only for the last season but weighted toward Hanyu otherwise? Sorry, I think that this is messed up.

No. Last season the ISU determined that only WC would count for world rankings because the international season was limited for most skaters.

 

[skatingguy]

http://results.isu.org/ws/wr2020-21/wrmen.htm #1 only for the last season but weighted toward Hanyu otherwise? Sorry, I think that this is messed up.

They really need to address the rankings - they'll never be completely accurate, but they should be a little closer to reality. Maybe five best international results regardless of limits on number of Grand Prix events.

 

[sheetz]

The WS rankings generally reward skaters who compete more often so someone like Nathan, who competed less than normal over the last few years, will be negatively affected as a result. That said, I think it's kind of understood that rankings are going to be screwed up for some time due to the pandemic so I wouldn't worry too much about them.

 

[sundayspirals]

The WS rankings generally reward skaters who compete more often so someone like Nathan, who competed less than normal over the last few years, will be negatively affected as a result. That said, I think it's kind of understood that rankings are going to be screwed up for some time due to the ********* so I wouldn't worry too much about them.

I agree. Even if WC 2020 had happened with Nathan coming in 1st and Hanyu 2nd or 3rd, the WS rankings at this point in time would still be the same because he didn't compete at 4CC 2020. The only difference is that the point gap would have been slightly smaller but not that much tbh.

 

[Debbie S]

I agree. Even if WC 2020 had happened with Nathan coming in 1st and Hanyu 2nd or 3rd, the WS rankings at this point in time would still be the same because he didn't compete at 4CC 2020. The only difference is that the point gap would have been slightly smaller but not that much tbh.

No, 4CC (and Euros) is in the same category as Worlds, a major ISU championship. Skaters count one of those per season. If WC had happened, Nathan would have those points. Since it didn't, he has no major championship points for that season.

Agree with the comments upthread that it's not worth worrying about. Barring disaster this fall, he should be in the final group for the SP at the Olys. And even if not, he's still Nathan and will still be awesome. I doubt he's worried about his world ranking.

 

[sundayspirals]

No, 4CC (and Euros) is in the same category as Worlds, a major ISU championship. Skaters count one of those per season. If WC had happened, Nathan would have those points. Since it didn't, he has no major championship points for that season.

Agree with the comments upthread that it's not worth worrying about. Barring disaster this fall, he should be in the final group for the SP at the Olys. And even if not, he's still Nathan and will still be awesome. I doubt he's worried about his world ranking.

Ah, ok, so if WC had happened, they'd only have counted WC for Hanyu (and not 4CC)?

 

[sheetz]

If Nathan had won 2020 Worlds his total would be 2040 + 0.7(1200) = 2880
If Hanyu had finished 2nd at 2020 Worlds his total would be 2554 + 0.7(1080) - 588 = 2722

 

[Debbie S]

Ah, ok, so if WC had happened, they'd only have counted WC for Hanyu (and not 4CC)?

Correct. Well, assuming Hanyu earned more points from his WC placement than 4CC. They count the highest number of points from a championship. The 4CC/Euros scale is a bit lower than WC, but occasionally, skaters/teams do end up having their 4CC/Euros points counted vs WC.

 

[sundayspirals]

If Nathan had won 2020 Worlds his total would be 2040 + 0.7(1200) = 2880
If Hanyu had finished 2nd at 2020 Worlds his total would be 2554 + 0.7(1080) - 588 = 2722

Correct. Well, assuming Hanyu earned more points from his WC placement than 4CC. They count the highest number of points from a championship. The 4CC/Euros scale is a bit lower than WC, but occasionally, skaters/teams do end up having their 4CC/Euros points counted vs WC.

Got it! Thank you both!!

 

[euterpe]

Figured the ISU would have to update the rankings, as Cranberry and LPID internationals are coming up this week and the JGP next week.

 

[Sylvia]

I've bumped up the "ISU World Standings have been updated thread" for those who might like to continue the discussion there: https://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/th...-have-been-updated.107167/page-5#post-6034080

Top 4 Senior men at Glacier Falls Summer Classic at the end of July - protocols are linked from results page: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/29984/CAT013SEG021.html
Yaroslav Paniot, All Year FSC 86.98 (1) 152.55 (1) 239.53 (now the 2nd highest total score of the summer behind Zhou)
Eric Sjoberg, Los Angeles FSC 67.97 (3) 150.46 (2) 218.43 (#4)
Andrew Torgashev, Panthers FSC 76.08 (2) 135.25 (3) 211.33 (#5)
Dinh Tran, SC of San Francisco 66.43 (4) 122.09 (4) 188.52 (#10)

Ilia Malinin competed as the only Senior man at the Chesapeake Open this past weekend and had a good jumping day in his FS (landed 4T, 4S, 3A, 3F, 3A+1Eu+3S, 3Lz+3Loq, 3Lz), scoring 166.70, 231 total (now the 3rd highest total score of the summer): https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/511689/CAT010SEG033.html

Top 2 at the U.S. Collegiate Championships:
Ryan Dunk, Suffolk University 68.56 (1st in SP) 124.75 (2nd in FS) 193.31 (improved his total score to #8)
Joonsoo Kim, University of California Los Angeles 62.42 (2) 126.43 (1) 188.85 (#9)

ETA: Maxim Naumov's summer high total score is 203.58 (86.60 SP + 116.98 FS) at Colonial Open in early June which is #7 in my current list.

From July 24th [my current summer score ranking update in brackets]:

SENIOR MEN FS/OVERALL (top 5 summer 2021 scores)
Vincent Zhou 203/303 [#1]
Jimmy Ma 129/210 [#6]
Maxim Naumov 118/186
Ryan Dunk 112/182
Paul Yeung 120/180

U.S. men scheduled to compete at the Cranberry Cup international in Norwood, Mass.:

SENIOR (competing on August 14 & 15)
Tomoki Hiwatashi
Jimmy Ma
Maxim Naumov
Yaroslav Paniot
Camden Pulkinen
Vincent Zhou
(note: Tomoki & Camden competed in SP only at Broadmoor Open in June)

JUNIOR (competing on August 12 & 13)
Will Annis
Liam Kapeikis
Joseph Klein
Samuel Mindra
Matthew Nielsen
Jacob Sanchez
Michael Xie
Robert Yampolsky

... Ilia Malinin and Lucas Broussard (debut) will represent the USA at the first Junior Grand Prix in Courchevel, France. Glad to see an extra spot for a U.S. man here!

There also will be 2 U.S. men competing in JGP #2 in Courchevel: Maxim Zharkov & Kai Kovar (JGP debuts for both).
Will Annis will be the lone U.S. man at JGP #3 in Kosice, Slovakia.

 

[maureenfarone]

I haven't seen Eric Prober who won Jr. Mens at 2021 U. S. Nationals mentioned at all. Is Eric still competing?

 

[Sylvia]

Top 11 Junior Men's summer comp. total scores to date:

223.05 Ilia Malinin (Skate Milwaukee-Junior Cup, 1st)
199.44 Kai Kovar (Broadmoor Open; 188.88 at SM-JC, 4th)
198.82 Maxim Zharkov (SM-JC, 2nd)
194.92 Daniel Martynov (Southport; 186.48 at SM-JC, 6th)
193.81 Lucas Broussard (Glacier Falls, 1st; 190.33 at SM-JC, 3rd)
186.73 Will Annis (SM-JC, 5th)
184.61 Jacob Sanchez (SM-JC, 7th)
183.24 Matthew Nielsen (SM-JC, 8th)
171.21 Michael Xie (Glacier Falls, 2nd; 166.87 at SM-JC, 10th)
171.15 Liam Kapeikis (SM-JC, 9th)
167.03 Eric Prober (Orange Blossom)

I haven't seen Eric Prober who won Jr. Mens at 2021 U. S. Nationals mentioned at all. Is Eric still competing?

 

[Sylvia]

Top 4 Senior men at Glacier Falls Summer Classic at the end of July - protocols are linked from results page: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/29984/CAT013SEG021.html
Yaroslav Paniot, All Year FSC 86.98 (1) 152.55 (1) 239.53 (now the 2nd highest total score of the summer behind Zhou)
Eric Sjoberg, Los Angeles FSC 67.97 (3) 150.46 (2) 218.43 (#4)
Andrew Torgashev, Panthers FSC 76.08 (2) 135.25 (3) 211.33 (#5)
Dinh Tran, SC of San Francisco 66.43 (4) 122.09 (4) 188.52 (#10)

I forgot to re-post these 2 video links here from the Glacier Falls competition thread in the Kiss & Cry forum:

Short Program fan cams from last night (thanks to @marysy who doesn't have access in here so I will repost in GSD):
Paniot's entertaining Saturday Night Fever disco program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyL1WmFiQJ0
Torgashev's debut of his Flamenco program: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnsyikYkeZs

 

[haribobo]

Top US Summer 2021 Scores

SENIOR MEN FS/TOTAL
Vincent Zhou 203/303
Yaroslav Paniot 152/239
Ilia Malinin 166/231
Jimmy Ma 152/230
Maxim Naumov 149/223
Eric Sjoberg 150/218
Andrew Torgashev 135/211
Tomoki Hiwatashi 133/205
Ryan Dunk 124/193
Emmanuel Savary 125/192
Dinh Tran 122/188
JoonSoo Kim 126/188
Paul Yeung 120/180
Camden Pulkinen 118/179
Mitchell Friess 111/176
Daniel Argueta 107/167
Sebastien Payannet 108/166
Luke Ferrante 112/164
Trevor Bucek 101/156
Jun Hong Chen 104/156

 

[haribobo]

Would it be fair to assume after Cranberry that the SA spot would go to Jimmy Ma (Paniot and Naumov would also be good choices) and Nebelhorn to Vincent Zhou?

 

[Firedancer]

Would it be fair to assume after Cranberry that the SA spot would go to Jimmy Ma (Paniot and Naumov would also be good choices) and Nebelhorn to Vincent Zhou?

After this weekend, I think Vincent is definitely going to Nebelhorn. And the SA spot will either be Jimmy or Paniot.

 

[Sylvia]

2021 Cranberry Cup (ISU Senior B International) results/scores for the 6 U.S. men:
GOLD Vincent ZHOU 102.53 (1) 185.73 (1) 288.26
SILVER Jimmy MA 78.30 (2) 152.29 (2) 230.59 (new summer high score)
BRONZE Maxim NAUMOV 73.64 (6) 149.51 (3) 223.15 (new summer high score)
4 Yaroslav PANIOT 76.68 (4) 134.16 (4) 210.84
7 Tomoki HIWATASHI 71.44 (7) 133.73 (6) 205.17 (first full comp. of season)
8 Camden PULKINEN 61.13 (10) 118.37 (8) 179.50 (first full comp. of season)

Top US Summer 2021 Scores

SENIOR MEN FS/TOTAL

Just wanted to mention that these 7 high scores for the current top 10 are from 4 club competitions & 1 national one:

Vincent Zhou 203/303 [Broadmoor Open]
Yaroslav Paniot 152/239 [Glacier Falls]
Ilia Malinin 166/231 [Chesapeake Open, only skater]
...
Eric Sjoberg 150/218 [Glacier Falls]
Andrew Torgashev 135/211 [Glacier Falls]
Ryan Dunk 124/193 [U.S. Collegiate Championships]
Emmanuel Savary 125/192 [Cranberry Open]
...
Moved up list: Sebastien Payannet 117/178 [Orange County Open]

ETA:

Top 11 Junior Men's summer comp. total scores as of today:

223.05 Ilia Malinin (Skate Milwaukee-Junior Cup, 1st)
199.44 Kai Kovar (Broadmoor Open); 188.88 at SM-JC, 4th
198.82 Maxim Zharkov (SM-JC, 2nd)
196.46 Matthew Nielsen (Cranberry Cup junior international, 1st)
194.92 Daniel Martynov (Southport); 186.48 at SM-JC, 6th
193.81 Lucas Broussard (Glacier Falls, 1st); 190.33 at SM-JC, 3rd
191.98 Will Annis (Cranberry Cup junior international, 2nd)
184.61 Jacob Sanchez (SM-JC, 7th); 180.32 Cranberry Cup, 3rd
171.21 Michael Xie (Glacier Falls, 2nd); 171.11 Cranberry Cup, 4th; 166.87 at SM-JC, 10th
171.15 Liam Kapeikis (SM-JC, 9th)
170.29 Goku Endo (Orange County Open this past weekend, only skater)

 

[Theatregirl1122]

After this weekend, I think Vincent is definitely going to Nebelhorn. And the SA spot will either be Jimmy or Paniot.

I think Jimmy is the most likely? Although I would expect both Paniot and Naumov to get senior Bs. Paniot has the second highest summer score, but having not seen Glacier Falls, I don't know how his actual performance at Glacier Falls compares to Cranberry, whereas Cranberry gave USFS a direct comparison. Naumov already has one GP. Paniot and Ma have none. So my money is on the TBA spot goes to Ma, Vincent to Nebelhorn, and both Paniot and Naumov (and probably Ma) to Senior Bs.

 

[Firedancer]

I think Jimmy is the most likely? Although I would expect both Paniot and Naumov to get senior Bs. Paniot has the second highest summer score, but having not seen Glacier Falls, I don't know how his actual performance at Glacier Falls compares to Cranberry, whereas Cranberry gave USFS a direct comparison. Naumov already has one GP. Paniot and Ma have none. So my money is on the TBA spot goes to Ma, Vincent to Nebelhorn, and both Paniot and Naumov (and probably Ma) to Senior Bs.

I agree. I guess we will find out soon. Isn’t champs camp this coming weekend or maybe next week?

 

[Sylvia]

Isn’t champs camp this coming weekend or maybe next week?

Last week of August, I believe.

Listed on the ISU website for Lombardia Trophy (Sept. 10-12 in Bergamo, Italy), the 1st Challenger Series comp. of the season (eta that USFS' International Assignments page is updated now & confirms these assignments):
Tomoki HIWATASHI
Yaroslav PANIOT

Ilia Malinin (drew last, #14, to skate) and Lucas Broussard (#4 to skate) are set to compete in the SP tomorrow at the first JGP in Courchevel, France (competition thread is started in the Kiss & Cry section).

Top 11 Junior Men's summer comp. total scores as of today:
...
170.29 Goku Endo (Orange County Open this past weekend, only skater)

2 junior men have been added to the ISP:
Goku Endo (67.21 in SP + 103.08 in FS - got credit for 3Aq = 1 bonus point in SP; 3A< in FS)
Philip Baker (65.89 in SP + 99.74 in FS at Cranberry Open)