The Dance Hall 5: Ice Dance Fans 2017-2018

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Marta24 said:
The panel was really, really tough. B/S`s base value was 1.5 higher than the Shibs, but their GOE was 1.8 lower than the Americans. It`s going to be tough for the Russians to win Bronze in the individual event.
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Do Russians want to win a medal in ice dance?
 
Anyasnake said:
Wow, C/L lost a point because of a fall that did not happen. The end of their lift where she's in a split ? Counted as a fall... And now they have to think about that 7 days before the SD. Yepee.
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I need to go back and look at that again when I get a chance. Tanith said she thought something looked off when Anna came out of the lift.
 
For those who are questioning SHibs and V/M Rumba pattern lvl2 :

Shibs : Both got a N for their chochtaw, which seemed a little flat on the second part for both and that is not authorized.

V/M : Tessa second part of the chochtaw seemed iffy too, same as Shibs. These things can happen it's not a big deal now.
The real question is not why their got a N on the last KP, but why is was never called before, because if I saw this since October, judges seems to finally agree with me this time :COP: Could have been (easily) corrected long ago. Basically the last steps, it's like they "skip" the outside foward edge, loads of teams do that but they don't get lvl4. And now they got that, would have been nice to be warned.
 
I was reading tweets mentioning the Shibs tonight, and one message that showed a lot were people joking about dismissing ice dance and wondering why it's in the Olympics and then after watching it saying they now love ice dance. I hope NBC takes notice!
 
manhn said:
But I thought Latin ice dancing would be too embarrassing! We should have them do more tangos.
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Based on the reactions I'm seeing on social media, the general public has much less discriminatory tastes than we FSUers do...plus the Latin dances this year have been more on the....classy...side. I haven't read anything about cultural appropriation yet. That was what I was worried about actually, haha.

Also, V/M were smart to not listen to the ice dance fans as their music selection seems to have gone over very well with the general audiences.
 
Anyasnake said:
Wow, C/L lost a point because of a fall that did not happen. The end of their lift where she's in a split ? Counted as a fall... And now they have to think about that 7 days before the SD. Yepee.
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They've been doing that lift forever though. It's the unexpected exit/entrance that might need to change, right? What were they doing in or out of the lift last season? I would think they might have something in their back pocket if they need to swap. Really late in the season to get this kind of feedback if they've been doing the same exit all season (I don't remember) so possibly it is just a matter of execution & they won't have to do anything. But if it had to happen, this is an element they may have a plan B for.
 
The tech panel seemed very strict? Not that that must be a bad thing, as long as it's enforced consistently for all pairs. And watching the event...I realized I've sort of grown fond of BobSol over the years. They're not spectacular, her posture can still be an issue and IMO Zhulin has once again given them slightly questionable programs (though much better than the totally blah stuff last year...). Yet...I was kinda happy to see them today anyway. Like meeting old friends.

Ekaterina retires after this season, right? Dmitry is a fabulous ice dancer, I hope he finds a good partner again if he wants to continue.
 
The wardrobe malfunction is getting Yura some media attention: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...early-costume-malfunction-winter-o/327002002/
“Five seconds into the routine, my hook came undone,” Min said.

Not just any hook.

It was the hook in the back of her costume that basically holds the whole thing together.

“I was like, ‘Oh no!’ ” she said. “If that comes undone, the whole thing could just pop off. I was terrified the entire program.”

(...)

She ad-libbed the entire routine, forcing herself to keep her arms back, trying to keep her costume from coming undone.
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I think she held it together really well, considering how panicked she must've felt!

On a positive side, better to have this happen now than in the individual SD, where it could've been the difference between qualifying for the free or not. (And Yura promised on twitter she's gonna sew herself in for the individual event.)
 
I've seen tweets like : "Oh I wish we had themed programs in other categories too !", celebrities tweeting at the Shibsibs, people absolutely LOVING the Despacitos, the Rock Samba, twitter seemed to love the dresses as well and tweets looked like a big party. People are LOVING the Latin SD, it's amazing ! FS fans might have been worried that it would look old fashion, but skaters have made some bold and smart music selections, despite the constant critics on the forum ("That is not Latin" :rolleyes:), I cannot wait for the SD event now ! :cheer2:So happy with people's reaction :gallopin1
 
I love a strict tech panel. My one concern is that tech panels should always be like this- it's not fair to the competitors to suddenly have to reevaluate their elements in the middle of the Olympics. The judges had all season to give this feedback.

The Latin has gone down really well. I adore the Tango Romantica, but Latin does have a wider variety of potential interpretations. It was fun! Seems like everyone is very into rock Sambas now :D
 
Katha said:
I realized I've sort of grown fond of BobSol over the years. They're not spectacular, her posture can still be an issue and IMO Zhulin has once again given them slightly questionable programs (though much better than the totally blah stuff last year...). Yet...I was kinda happy to see them today anyway. Like meeting old friends.
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I think this is one of the beautiful things about ice dance. That the top teams stay together long enough to really develop as teams and you can see that progression over the course of multiple Olympiads.

Anyasnake said:
FS fans might have been worried that it would look old fashion, but skaters have made some bold and smart music selections, despite the constant critics on the forum ("That is not Latin" :rolleyes:), I cannot wait for the SD event now ! :cheer2:So happy with people's reaction :gallopin1
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I just read through many of them, and--yes, it was fun & yes, people are liking the Latin SD. (Especially the Koreans' Despacito. Little do those casual viewers know that the Chinese were probably chacked exactly because they also skated to Despacito). And many people loved V&M's SD & music. But I feel it's significant to say that many people also tweeted that V&M's SD is not Latin. Or that only the Santana portion could be regarded as such. We all know how it falls within the ice dance criteria, but the lack of cultural authenticity was an issue to audience members.
 
I can never tell with the levels on the set patterns.. but is it a possibility that everyone just did do level 2 rhumbas? (much like how all the men fell in the SP?) Or has everyone just actually been doing level 2 rhumbas all season and they have been called level 4 up until now?
 
starrynight said:
I can never tell with the levels on the set patterns.. but is it a possibility that everyone just did do level 2 rhumbas? (much like how all the men fell in the SP?) Or has everyone just actually been doing level 2 rhumbas all season and they have been called level 4 up until now?
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V/M last Key Point should have been called a N before. The first one that was called a no was unfortunate because this is Tessa's "worst" chochtaw in the season. These things can happen because the pattern is actually really hard. But the last one is not a suprise.
Actually C/L would have gotten level 4 if not for the "Timing" issue on the last one (I think), they had the clear KP. Shibs 2nd chochtaw was a bit flat so they got 2 N's. And I'd have to rewatch the others too.
 
Dobre said:
But I feel it's significant to say that many people also tweeted that V&M's SD is not Latin. Or that only the Santana portion could be regarded as such. We all know how it falls within the ice dance criteria, but the lack of cultural authenticity was an issue to audience members.
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I did not see those, I'll have to check, but yeah people seemed to love their SD anyway. I remember watching a DWTS tango with Hotel California last year, I wonder if Marie-France got the idea from there, because the Latin SD event will look very DWTS - and it has a lot of success with the younger audience.
Actually, they should have said "Ballroom Latin" from the very beginning to avoid confusion.
 
I danced a Rumba to Hotel California long before DWTS! The Gypsy Kings version is the perfect rhythm- actually all V/M's songs worked without adjustment for the dances. The broadcasts definitely should've specified Ballroom Latin- there's been a disconnect forever between what Latin Americans consider authentic Latin dance and what the ballroom world does. Ballroom Latin is an entirely different kettle of fish, more regimented, less improvised (ask Brazilians what they think of Ballroom Samba and you will usually get quite the rant in return) Just saying 'Latin' means that distinction isn't made. V/M have also got more genuine Latin dance content than anyone- Samba rolls, promenade runs, Rumba fans, twist steps etc etc. Last night some of my friends from the ballroom world who know I skated but have never watched it until I told them it was Latin this year were beside themselves wondering how on earth they could do a totally recognisable Samba on ice. I love it when teams just dance.
Anyasnake said:
I did not see those, I'll have to check, but yeah people seemed to love their SD anyway. I remember watching a DWTS tango with Hotel California last year, I wonder if Marie-France got the idea from there, because the Latin SD event will look very DWTS - and it has a lot of success with the younger audience.
Actually, they should have said "Ballroom Latin" from the very beginning to avoid confusion.
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nimi said:
The wardrobe malfunction is getting Yura some media attention: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/...early-costume-malfunction-winter-o/327002002/
I think she held it together really well, considering how panicked she must've felt!

On a positive side, better to have this happen now than in the individual SD, where it could've been the difference between qualifying for the free or not. (And Yura promised on twitter she's gonna sew herself in for the individual event.)
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I thought from the minute I saw it that the costume was a malfunction waiting to happen. I'm surprised her costumer or coach or someone didn't make sure it was secure. Kudos to her for getting through as well as she did!
 
Cute little exchange I stumbled across on twitter about the rhumba.

Jeffrey Buttle: I remember learning the rhumba 20 years ago and thinking how cool that choctaw was. Now it’s giving me anxiety.

Sinead Kerr: It gave me anxiety then doing it and it gives me anxiety now coaching it!

Ben Agosto: Hardest step in figure skating LOL

EDIT: LOL. Just realized that Charlie White retweeted the same three quotes on his page as well.


Anyasnake said:
I did not see those, I'll have to check
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They are under "ice dancing" if you search it on twitter.
 
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Dobre said:
I think this is one of the beautiful things about ice dance. That the top teams stay together long enough to really develop as teams and you can see that progression over the course of multiple Olympiads.



I just read through many of them, and--yes, it was fun & yes, people are liking the Latin SD. (Especially the Koreans' Despacito. Little do those casual viewers know that the Chinese were probably chacked exactly because they also skated to Despacito). And many people loved V&M's SD & music. But I feel it's significant to say that many people also tweeted that V&M's SD is not Latin. Or that only the Santana portion could be regarded as such. We all know how it falls within the ice dance criteria, but the lack of cultural authenticity was an issue to audience members.
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Yikes! Wait till they see P/C's Latin Ed Sheeran. V/M have a Latin flavor and beat even if they chose "nontraditional" music. But Ed Sheeran:rolleyes:
 
#Shibsibs trend, Moulin Rouge trending, I even saw Life is Beautiful trending in my region, so...
I think it's time to realize that this is by far the best discipline.

Wait until they see all the Latin SD, and all the FDs. And the rest of the top teams. Okay, I'm too young to say anything like it so if there are veterans here tell me : we might see one of the best Ice Dance Olympic event... ever ?
 
Anyasnake said:
#Shibsibs trend, Moulin Rouge trending, I even saw Life is Beautiful trending in my region, so...
I think it's time to realize that this is by far the best discipline.

Wait until they see all the Latin SD, and all the FDs. And the rest of the top teams. Okay, I'm too young to say anything like it so if there are veterans here tell me : we might see one of the best Ice Dance Olympic event... ever ?
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Yes, it is quite nice to see people enjoying the ice dance!
 
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