The Dance Hall 13: When You Dance on the Ice and Your Feet Twizzle Twice, That's Amore

[Karen-W]

Is this about the FD?

I think it shows technical brilliance (largely from him) and beautiful quality of movement (from both).

If you asked me what they were trying to express, I'd think for two seconds before finding myself slipping into a coma out of boredom.

Well, if you bothered to look at when the post was made, you'd know my quoted comments were about the RD.

Moving on...

For what it's worth, I agree with you completely about how boring and sleep-inducing their FD is, lol.

 

[On My Own]

Well, if you bothered to look at when the post was made, you'd know my quoted comments were about the RD.

Moving on...

Glad we agree about the FD nonetheless, and that I had no interest in watching their RD.

 

[angi]

French Masters FDs:
Fourinier-Beaudry/Cizeron: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8vkIFxYoLo
Lopareva/Brissaud: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_0peJLcLLU
Demougeot/Le-Mercier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpSK7bESfww
Lagouge/Caffa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9nO3G7WVOE
Dupayage/Nabais: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY_VTnUUPc4

 

[AngieNikodinovLove (ANL)]

I just watched their free dance. I thought it was really good, the rhythm dance I’m not sold on.

But I thought the free dance was quite good.

By the way, I take it Laurence and Gabby are not friends?

 

[Bigbird]

I really like Lag/Caf, something about how they glide, and their joy. Infectious. I really like Lop/Bri's music but he seemed to be having an off day. I get that D/LM may be trying to fill the void left by Del/Sch but their skating is somewhat shallow, I preferred Natacha and Arnaud to them if only their RD wasn't so light, I would have had D/LM in fourth. But overall, the depth of French ID is impressive.

If only the ISU would give them a decent RD theme that shows off their skills.

 

[Bigbird]

I just watched their free dance. I thought it was really good, the rhythm dance I’m not sold on.

But I thought the free dance was quite good.

By the way, I take it Laurence and Gabby are not friends?

I don't think they're enemies. Gabby and Guillame are not friends, ergo, she wouldn't be friends with his best friend.

 

[vireo]

The competition at Grand Prix de France will be epic. I'm so looking forward to the showdown among FB/C, F/G, and G/F. With a few other teams who could play spoiler, if one of the top teams should falter.

 

[morqet]

Tried to work out how much of FB/C's FD was spent in hold. Maybe 40 seconds in total? 15 in closed hold? I know it's the way all of ID is heading, but really not for me.

 

[Marta24]

I'm curious to see the scoring at Nebelhorn, where both F/G and FB/C will compete. They usually have pretty tough tech panels. I remember that one season (I think it was 23/24) where nearly every team received base level or level 1 on their PSt.

 

[Bigbird]

I'm curious to see the scoring at Nebelhorn, where both F/G and FB/C will compete. They usually have pretty tough tech panels. I remember that one season (I think it was 23/24) where nearly every team received base level or level 1 on their PSt.

Just 1 month away, Nebelhorn will be epic!

 

[Andrea82]

The scores of the 3 judges not representing French Fed

Csaba Balint (Hungary)
Fournier/Cizeron 213.97
Lopareva/Brissaud 196.58
Demougeot/Le Mercier 193.61

Albert Saadi (Monaco)
Fournier/Cizeron 226.05 * don't worry, they will invite you for the Grand Prix de France panel
Demougeot/Le Mercier 191.51
Lopareva/Brissaud 191.03

Valerie Grelet-Lambert (Cyprus, ex French judge)
Fournier/Cizeron 211.83
Lopareva/Brissaud 189.99
Demougeot/Le Mercier 182.34

Olga Akimova (Ukraine) and Sylvia Novak (Poland) were the callers with Christine Hurth as technical controller.

 

[Spikefan]

As much as I didn’t want to like FB/C, I thought the FD was lovely. I do think I could find myself bored after seeing it a few times but I’m sure they will keep adding difficulty. The RD is a miss. It definitely adds some suspense to what has been a really predictable top 5.

 

[skatfan]

By the way, I take it Laurence and Gabby are not friends?

Gabby refused to skate sessions on the ice with Laurence's former partner once the allegations about him became public (while Guillaume choreographed/coached for them). I can't imagine they are friends now that Cizeron has partnered with Laurence.

 

[angi]

Gabby refused to skate sessions on the ice with Laurence's former partner once the allegations about him became public (while Guillaume choreographed/coached for them).

The only source we ever got for this was TSL, so I'm not sure why it is always mentioned as a fact

 

[On My Own]

Tried to work out how much of FB/C's FD was spent in hold. Maybe 40 seconds in total? 15 in closed hold? I know it's the way all of ID is heading, but really not for me.

I think for me problem isn't even the hold content, but with Cizeron's stuff it really all looks the same.

Which has nothing to do with how they should be scored or whatever. But it's why I just kind of lost interest with P/C to begin...

 

[layman]

Fournier-Beaudry/Cizeron RD did not look finished to me. I was shocked by the lack of close holds, the distance between them and the amount of two foot skating in it. There were places where they came to dead stop and just posed or vogued with their arms, which is a huge weakness. I don't think they will get very far with this RD unless they add a lot more to it.

The FD looked much better. It looked polished and like thought and intention had gone into the placement of elements. It had a seamless quality that the RD lacked.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

FD - not that much going on, but Oly`s 6 months away. Time to fill it out. There were some lovely positions, close-to-the ice glides. Big problem for me is HER. This is unkind, but she looked like a rag doll in his arms. Whatever there was. was Cizeron. Presence - THAT can`t be developed in 6 months.

 

[lauravvv]

FD - not that much going on, but Oly`s 6 months away. Time to fill it out. There were some lovely positions, close-to-the ice glides. Big problem for me is HER. This is unkind, but she looked like a rag doll in his arms. Whatever there was. was Cizeron. Presence - THAT can`t be developed in 6 months.

I absolutely disagree with this. Laurence Fournier-Beaudry has always had a lot of presence on ice. She is very expressive, has great quality of movement, wonderful arms, musicality. Either you have never seen her with Sorensen or we saw/are seeing something totally different. Furthermore, there is no way how she can be a rag doll in anyone's arms, including Cizeron, as she has wonderful skating skills - probably not on Cizeron's level yet, but definitely one of the best, if not the best, of all current female ice dancers, plus, her core strength is amazing, also demonstrated in the lifts executed by them in this FD (even though her lifts with Sorensen tended to be more "acrobatic"/visibly difficult).

 

[annie_mg]

Fournier-Beaudry/Cizeron RD did not look finished to me. I was shocked by the lack of close holds, the distance between them and the amount of two foot skating in it. There were places where they came to dead stop and just posed or vogued with their arms, which is a huge weakness.

P/C's amazing short dance at the Olympics included a lot of posing and "voguing with their arms". It can work if done properly.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I absolutely disagree with this....... Either you have never seen her with Sorensen or we saw/are seeing something totally different.

OK, OK. I was just looking at this one skate. I`ll take a look with Sorensen.

 

[MsZem]

P/C's amazing short dance at the Olympics included a lot of posing and "voguing with their arms". It can work if done properly.

But it was also incorporated into the elements (or at least, into the twizzles). With the caveat that this is a new program and partnership, the posing and performative aspects put me in mind of a Fear/Gibson program (obviously, they are not F/G!)

 

[jackson]

FD - not that much going on, but Oly`s 6 months away. Time to fill it out. There were some lovely positions, close-to-the ice glides. Big problem for me is HER. This is unkind, but she looked like a rag doll in his arms. Whatever there was. was Cizeron. Presence - THAT can`t be developed in 6 months.

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FD - not that much going on, but Oly`s 6 months away. Time to fill it out. There were some lovely positions, close-to-the ice glides. Big problem for me is HER. This is unkind, but she looked like a rag doll in his arms. Whatever there was. was Cizeron. Presence - THAT can`t be developed in 6 months.

Yes, that is very unkind. Why do you feel the need to post that on a public forum when you can just think that in your head. She is incredibly talented, and I am not sure what gives anyone the right to call someone a rag doll unless they can prove that they can do better. Let's not hate, celebrate!

 

[Theatregirl1122]

That

Yes, that is very unkind. Why do you feel the need to post that on a public forum when you can just think that in your head. She is incredibly talented, and I am not sure what gives anyone the right to call someone a rag doll unless they can prove that they can do better. Let's not hate, celebrate!

It's someone's opinion on their skate. Whether or not we agree with it, that's what a discussion board is for. If you don't want to see anyone being critical of skaters, you're on the wrong board.

 

[SkateFanBerlin]

I`m sorry I used the rag doll image. I wasn`t saying SHE was a rag doll. I was saying in this skate Cizeron seemed to be doing most of the action and she appeared mostly to follow. Just my opinion. I was thinking of Chock who maybe goes in the other direction.

 

[tony]

I`m sorry I used the rag doll image. I wasn`t saying SHE was a rag doll. I was saying in this skate Cizeron seemed to be doing most of the action and she appeared mostly to follow. Just my opinion. I was thinking of Chock who maybe goes in the other direction.

 

[jackson]

It's someone's opinion on their skate. Whether or not we agree with it, that's what a discussion board is for. If you don't want to see anyone being critical of skaters, you're on the wrong board.

Well actually a long time ago, I used to really get upset when people said unkind things about me on the board so I try to lead now with compassion. Comparing someone to a rag doll really isn't the best delivery IMHO!

 

[On My Own]

That

Yes, that is very unkind. Why do you feel the need to post that on a public forum when you can just think that in your head. She is incredibly talented, and I am not sure what gives anyone the right to call someone a rag doll unless they can prove that they can do better. Let's not hate, celebrate!

I really don't understand how 'rag doll' is insulting. Doesn't it just mean a home made doll?

 

[kwanfan1818]

A rag doll is a homemade doll that usually floppy and dragged around.

I think FB has among, if not the strongest core of any of the female dancers, so if she looks like a rag doll, it's an impersonation.

 

[On My Own]

A rag doll is a homemade doll that usually floppy and dragged around.

I don't think SFB used it like that, they seemed to say she didn't have presence, instead was like a doll. Which I'm not sure is insulting as much as a description.

I do disagree if they meant about movement quality if that's what they meant, I think she's a very clean mover. OTOH, I've seen dancers being criticized for having 'rag doll'-like movement quality, or robotic, or marionette-like... It's just description of movement, because you liken it to what you're familiar with, and it makes critiques on what you need to work on easier.

 

[Theatregirl1122]

Well actually a long time ago, I used to really get upset when people said unkind things about me on the board so I try to lead now with compassion. Comparing someone to a rag doll really isn't the best delivery IMHO!

I'm sorry you chose to read this board, in that case.

But you don't get to decide what people say. Saying someone was dragged around like a rag doll may be an incorrect criticism of Laurence's skating, but I think you're wildly overreacting to the statement. It is a criticism of her skating on a skating board, not a personal criticism or a criticism of her looks.