The Dance Hall 13: When You Dance on the Ice and Your Feet Twizzle Twice, That's Amore

[VGThuy]

Well, isn't that a Freudian slip?

I didn’t even notice it myself

 

[angi]

I didn’t even notice it myself

Same here, and I made the post

Second and third should be switched or closer, but the music choice of the D/LM is just so meh.......

Disagree on this one, if anything L/B were lowballed here to cement FB/C's superiority. Their RD is very similar to last season's, but it still works and it was an overall good outing of it. The eight-point gap feels manufactured to me, considering what both FB/C and L/B put on the ice (and that they had the same BV).

 

[dancefan17]

I only watched the FB/C RD once, but was struck by the height difference a bit. He seems to be bending over a lot, which I don’t recall him doing with Gabby. FB seems rock solid though- she did a great job, while C seemed a bit nervous. Having said all that, I liked the ‘voguing’ choreography and thought they looked good together. Lifts also seemed fairly easy, but aligned with the style. Can’t wait to see the FD and what they do with lifts there.

 

[Bigbird]

I only watched the FB/C RD once, but was struck by the height difference a bit. He seems to be bending over a lot, which I don’t recall him doing with Gabby. FB seems rock solid though- she did a great job, while C seemed a bit nervous. Having said all that, I liked the ‘voguing’ choreography and thought they looked good together. Lifts also seemed fairly easy, but aligned with the style. Can’t wait to see the FD and what they do with lifts there.

The camera angle was not the best, and he was having boot problems. The heel of one became somewhat detached from the blade. His stamina may also not be where he wants it to be. We'll see how things play out tomorrow.

 

[dancefan17]

The camera angle was not the best, and he was having boot problems. The heel of one became somewhat detached from the blade. His stamina may also not be where he wants it to be. We'll see how things play out tomorrow.

Ahhh….super helpful perspective….hope it can be fixed easily for tomorrow!

 

[deegee]

Having seen F-B/C now, I have no idea why they chose this concept. It doesn't go with the music, and all it does is invite comparisons to P/C's much better program. (I know, it's two different styles of dance, but they're similar enough for comparisons.)

yeah, this is a big fat nope for me at this point. they are both very very good skaters and i can see people determined to like them making an argument for some potential (it is early in the season but they have supposedly been working on this for several months now and p/c's waaking program was pretty much olympic ready at their debut) but they're not skating in a vacuum and since fb/c are really only emphasizing the arm movements of vogueing, the comparisons are too obvious. i mean, his costume is just a black version of his 2022 costume ffs

 

[deegee]

and even if it does somehow come together by february or whenever the olympics starts i'll be rooting for others

 

[Bigbird]

yeah, this is a big fat nope for me at this point. they are both very very good skaters and i can see people determined to like them making an argument for some potential (it is early in the season but they have supposedly been working on this for several months now and p/c's waaking program was pretty much olympic ready at their debut) but they're not skating in a vacuum and since fb/c are really only emphasizing the arm movements of vogueing, the comparisons are too obvious. i mean, his costume is just a black version of his 2022 costume ffs

If that's what we want to see there's really nothing we can see.

That's okay though, the real winners are the I AM school, a lot of very intriguing programs are loading. Excited to see S/D, the spicy brits, and the Shib/Shibs. Its gonna be TIGHT.

 

[VGThuy]

and even if it does somehow come together by february or whenever the olympics starts i'll be rooting for others

I already figured from your pointed post about people “determined to like them” which made me think there are people determined to not like them.

 

[skateblessing]

I didn`t expect it to be so many that actually liked there program here. LOL

All though it`s obvious that are both very technical skilled skaters, they are not well connected and the program is kinda meh IMO.

The score is crazy, but not unexpected. Unfortunately their reputation is going to give them massive GOE. Even the underwhelming lifts.

I never thought I would say this, but i`m hoping for some massive home scoring for L/G in Sheffield.

 

[deegee]

I already figured from your pointed post about people “determined to like them” which made me think there are people determined to not like them.

i should hope so

 

[RoseRed]

My take on FB/C and L/B, scores aside (I don't agree with the gap), is that both programs are... fine. Some cool choreo, but also reminiscent of past, more interesting programs, and overall nothing special yet. Which is okay, it's early and there's time for improvement. But I would have hoped for a bit more (well, I'm not super invested in either team honestly, but in general). We'll see how things look by GP de France.

 

[skategal]

The program certainly showcases how amazingly good a skater Laurence is now that she is not being held back by Sorensen.

I barely notice Guillame and I never thought I’d say that.

 

[Karen-W]

Thoughts on FBCiz - the program is empty, the lift was basic & unimpressive, the music is pretty meh & the slower tempo doesn't do them any favors. Very underwhelming & very overscored.

Thoughts on LopBri - very much in their wheelhouse, but a lot more skating content than FBCiz & much better music choice. Not sure the FFSG is doing themselves any favors by lowballing LopBri the way they did here.

 

[manhn]

This is my first time I have watched any of the RDs. Nothing stood out, but I prefer L&B for having music that seemed distinctly 90s. It also showed that the yes, actually skating to fast music is harder than skating to slow classical flowing music. I was impressed that they generally kept up, hopefully more character will be inserted through the season.

It seems like skaters and choreographers think that the only dance move in the 90s was voguing. I need some running men, moshing, cabbage patches, Roger Rabbits, Electric Sliding against Racism, and Hammers.

 

[chantilly]

I’m not sure about the gap but to me L/B always look frantic.
And kinda pushed and laboured.
FB I agree was amazing and Cizeron did look like he hadn’t skated for a while competitively.
However they were IMO miles above L and B in terms of refinement, concept and execution.
Considering FB/C are a new team I think they are doing pretty well.
I think they are a threat for the podium, although I’m thinking top 5.
I think we are still waiting on the Shib sibs, the Italians, C/B specifics, and G/P of the top teams correct?

 

[deegee]

This is my first time I have watched any of the RDs. Nothing stood out, but I prefer L&B for having music that seemed distinctly 90s. It also showed that the yes, actually skating to fast music is harder than skating to slow classical flowing music. I was impressed that they generally kept up, hopefully more character will be inserted through the season.

It seems like skaters and choreographers think that the only dance move in the 90s was voguing. I need some running men, moshing, cabbage patches, Roger Rabbits, Electric Sliding against Racism, and Hammers.

not electric sliding against racism

 

[Tesla]

not electric sliding against racism

Took me a minute, but I got it.

 

[Bigbird]

The Whale Movie Soundtrack, Safe Return, rumoured to be FD music for FB/C. Bringing the feels.....
I somehow preferred L/C to D/LM to be honest. If only the former's RD wasn't so light. The RD theme is really not playing to the strengths of the french skating style.

Geoffrey is being very shaky....but their music is very compelling.

Magic has returned to Ice Dance...thank you FB/C!! Seamless, you cannot tell where one element begins and another ends in the FD. Surprisingly, the FD is more ready than the RD. Allez, allez...

 

[angi]

L/B has a good FD with Bjork, the ending needs a lot of work I think, but the rest was compelling. He was not steady on his feet today, and even the rotational lift that opened the program was shaky and he was struggling all the way through. It does feel like the boot they got from the federation got into their head today, judging by the hug they shared at the end of the program.

FB/C's FD is very good, but for me it's FB who's making it really work, she's a star and one of the strongest female ice dancers in the field. He hit the jackpot when he managed to secure a partnership with her. Yes, he is the more decorated partner of the two, but she is able to work around his limitations in a way I think even Gabi didn't always manage.

 

[tony]

The FD of FB/C is brilliant IMO and see no reason why it shouldn’t be scored extremely well from the start. They look ready to go and the choreography is more interesting and intricate than most teams at the top these days.

They both make such interesting positions and edge/directional changes so effortlessly with their entire bodies.

 

[Bigbird]

L/B has a good FD with Bjork, the ending needs a lot of work I think, but the rest was compelling. He was not steady on his feet today, and even the rotational lift that opened the program was shaky and he was struggling all the way through. It does feel like the boot the got from the federation got into their head today, judging by the hug they shared at the end of the program.

FB/C's FD is very good, but for me it's FB who's making it really work, she's a star and one of the strongest female ice dancers in the field. He hit the jackpot when he managed to secure a partnership with her. Yes, he is the more decorated partner of the two, but she is able to work around his limitations in a way I think even Gabi didn't always manage.

Gabbi was brilliant, Lolo is also brilliant. No need to knock one to praise the other. The difference is, these two are friends. Ciz is simply brilliant, and he hit the jackpot with his new partner. They have brilliant skating skills, period. This is not an Ilinykh Sinitsina swap. Nah, more like going from Papadakis to Hubbell. They're both very good.

 

[angi]

Gabbi was brilliant, Lolo is also brilliant. No need to knock one to praise the other. The difference is, these two are friends. Ciz is simply brilliant, and he hit the jackpot with his new partner. They have brilliant skating skills, period. This is not an Ilinykh Sinitsina swap. Nah, more like going from Papadakis to Hubbell. They're both very good.

It wasn't a criticism of Gabi at all, it was a criticism of Cizeron, who, in my eyes, has several limitations as a skater that require his female partner to accommodate, and there was only so much Gabi could do with that.
Laurance seems very adaptable to me, especially considering her skating with Sorenson looked mostly different, and she managed to go from one partner to the other without missing a beat. You can argue Cizeron did the same, but he is basically repeating all the styles and lifts he has done before, while Laurance is doing something that is mostly new to her. So again, a dig at Cizeron if you insist, not at Gabi.

 

[VGThuy]

The FD of FB/C is brilliant IMO and see no reason why it shouldn’t be scored extremely well from the start. They look ready to go and the choreography is more interesting and intricate than most teams at the top these days.

They both make such interesting positions and edge/directional changes so effortlessly with their entire bodies.

I can see how you’re so determined to like them.

 

[tony]

I can see how you’re so determined to like them.

Did you actually watch the program or...? I found their RD to be ordinary but I loved everything about the FD. I don't need to be determined to like anyone. This was fresh and more exciting than most of what we see in dance today.

 

[VGThuy]

Did you actually watch the program or...? I found their RD to be ordinary but I loved everything about the FD. I don't need to be determined to like anyone. This was fresh and more exciting than most of what we see in dance today.

It was a joke referencing my previous convo with someone else in this thread.

 

[Bigbird]

Well, when all you can spot on Cizeron are his flaws, you know you'e arrived.

 

[tony]

It was a joke referencing my previous convo with someone else in this thread.

In that event, I think you will watch and be determined to like them too.

Surprisingly, I've only seen a bunch of glowing positives about the FD so far.

 

[On My Own]

Thoughts on FBCiz - the program is empty, the lift was basic & unimpressive, the music is pretty meh & the slower tempo doesn't do them any favors. Very underwhelming & very overscored.

Is this about the FD?

I think it shows technical brilliance (largely from him) and beautiful quality of movement (from both).

If you asked me what they were trying to express, I'd think for two seconds before finding myself slipping into a coma out of boredom.

 

[Karen-W]

I'll be the one to say it - FBCiz's FD is more of the same pretentious, modern contemporary dance that usually makes me nod off and, sure as can be, I felt my eyelids fluttering about midway through their program. I did like their curve lift - Lolo's core strength is something to marvel at.

Within that modern contemporary dance wheelhouse, I'm sure it will stand out as superior to probably any other team's offering. How it stacks up against the very different approaches we're getting from ChoBat with their modern flamenco and FearGib with their Scottish highland dancing remains to be seen.

Of the expected top teams we still haven't heard any hint of program selection from, I'd say GilPoir have the best chance to challenging FBCiz in a modern, lyrical dance program, but only if they lean into their strength & go with a clear storyline similar to their "Wuthering Heights" program. I can't see either GuigFab or the Shibs out-modern contemporary dancing this.